That the Democratic PTB did not want Coakley the first time Brown ran was fairly obvious to anyone who observed the Brown Coakley race closely.

Perhaps they don’t want Warren, either.

Barney Frank sure did not do her any favors when he discussed her with Joe Scarborough recently.

That said, the Boston Herald was once owned by Murdoch and still leans very anti-Democratic.

Brown was leading all along. Warren got a bounce after her convention speech and pulled ahead. I find it hard to believe that she lost the bounce already, but anything’s possible.

Her campaign team is not doing her any favors, either.

Brown just called her on the carpet for helping shield Travelers from indemnification by asbestos workers while in their employ. She had no reply, but obfuscated like any pol. Reports that she’s a phony may not be exaggerated. I stick to my previous assertion that she is doing the useful work for the Dems of helping the party figure out just how far to the left it must feint in order to keep working people in thrall during the New Great Depression. You gotta be rich to play the game at all, reason why there’s nothing in it for us working people.

They’re both Warmongers.

Warren’s Progressive bona fides are tainted in that and other ways. IN general, her support for Oilybomber and the Party Line do not endear her to any thinking progressive.

So the odds be 50/50 between a real Republican jackass and a Wannabe Republican who uses populist rhetoric with nothing to back it up.

Oilybomber did her no favors – leaving her flapping in the wind for a year.

She did herself no favor by not calling him out on it.

With exceptions, regular visitors to the site tend to be a good deal more progressive than the diarists; it’s a funny mix.

As far as the poll goes, the race seems close, Warren seems a better fit for the state, Obama is expected to do well and I find it hard to believe that enough people will vote Obama/Brown to save Brown.

Maybe Rahm was right. You people are fucking retarded.

Sorry 4cdave, I excluded your comment.

The old “horse race” BS. US elections are phony, polls are entertainment, and no candidate can be trusted to do what they say. But I do think Liz is cuter than Scott. Now, why don’t they both do a centerfold shoot so we can really get the race going!

I’m surprised and a little disappointed that we haven’t had more comments on this (and the thread below).

My impression was : Brown’s supporters will say he won, Warren’s supporters will say she won, and undecided voters will probably side slightly with Brown. His substance was poor and riddled with lies (we’ll fight climate change with coal!), but I think he was a little more rhetorically effective. It might be that men would side with Brown and women with Warren, but I may be reading too much into it.

Not a big change overall.

What Warren needs is some support, like some campaign events with Michelle. Brown could respond with events with Romney! Or Bush!

Good idea! Since Scott would and Elizabeth would not we might have a basis for selection. If you like being represented by a whore, you would need go no further.

HuffPo has this about that:

One of the more aggressive charges from Brown came when he accused Warren of taking the side of a giant insurance company against asbestos victims. It’s true that Warren worked as an expert for Travelers Insurance in a major asbestos case, but she was working to create a $500 million trust for current and future victims, as well as to preserve a key element of the bankruptcy code, the Boston Globe has reported. She and Travelers were successful in that effort, but after Warren left the case, Travelers managed to wriggle out of its $500 million payment, hurting victims desperately.

don’t know why she wasn’t clearer

In politics, in particular, when are we not represented by a whore? In your opinion, name one example of a member of Congress who is not a whore.

Could you TRY to find a more offensive word to use than “whore”? Regardless of who yer talking about, it degrades women in the current culture.

Apparently, sufficient wriggle-room was baked into the mix.

Heck of a job, Warren.

I resemble that remark.

But seriously, what’s another word to describe a politician?

They lay down for money and lie about it.

They’re worse than prostitutes.

Some prostitutes won’t steal your watch.

I’m sure that some prostitutes have ethics. I can’t think of a politician who does except my Congresswoman, and I know her so I can be sure.

I think think of a whole bunch of words that denigrate liars and cheats and don’t have to include degradation of women…I’m sure you can as well if you try

Thankin’ ya. So much for regular commenters being progressive.

Yep. Some people try to be deliberately offensive and disruptive.

I knew my Congresswoman Suzanne Kosmas. She concerned herself with threading the needle. She wanted Republicans to like her. There are greater than 50 percent Republicans in Volusia County.

You’ve got to be centrist to win, etc.

She got creamed in the mid-terms.

We got a Tea bagger Sandy Adams (a real idiot) to replace her.

Bernie Sanders?

We’re not in “the current culture”, we’re on FireDogLake. I think no one here is confused about the difference between behavior and gender.

Some people like me.

We have a retort in Texas that is truly crass. I am progressive enough not to use it, even when denigrated for nothing.

We all have “clients” to some degree — like Bob Dylan said, “Gotta serve somebody”. Whether one uses tools or intellect or one’s unaided body there is a valued service performed, so every individual deserves respect, no matter their “profession”. The question here is one of integrity. There have been and still are politicians with integrity. I will name one from my district: Barbara Boxer. Like all the other politicians, she has to raise money and that means garnering support from those that have it to give. We’re so fed up with the corrupt system that we tend to discount a good candidate for their human faults (which we all possess), when we should be supporting them for the values they uphold which we have in common. Elizabeth Warren is an outstanding candidate who deserves our support, and I hope she wins.

Barbara Boxer and integrity in the same fucking sentence? You have to be shitting me. Err no, better: I have a bridge I’m offering at a great price…oh, and asbestos trust funds are anti-worker and have never been supported by unions. Their goal is to shield companies from shouldering the full burden of their responsibilities for the use of poisonous substances. But hey, tort lawyers love them so they must be lib’ral…right?

Kassandra, Margaret and demi: I hope you don’t know where I live. I obviously become braindead sometime around 0200.

I’ll try to do better, but that’s been my dream for a lotta years, and it hasn’t happened yet. Sorry.