very sad that Obama didn’t make his “momentous” statement until after the NC vote. Interesting, no?

I completely agree. In fact, my biggest disappointment with Obama is that when he had the chance, he did not solidify his position as president and, apparently, squandered his popularity and his power in the first two years of his presidency.

Notice I said “apparently”. Others insist he has been doing what he wanted to all that time. I’m not so sure anymore.

Too little, too late.

Typical of Mr. A-Day-Late-And-a-Poll-Result-Short Obama.

That sound you’re hearing is a Bronx Cheer.

I find Mr o a very capable bully for banks, wars and all other greedy mayhem. He shoved the troop surge through didn’t he ?

Gay marriage , Medical MJ and things like that bring in no campaign contributions therefore mums the word.

Medical MJ

The BarackStar doesn’t like MJ, whether medical or otherwise, bc one of his other big doners, BigPharma, no likey the free competition.

As with almost everything for the Big Zero: it’s all about the money, honey.

We here in the 99% don’t have the bling to make Barry sing.

As someone said “Obama’s always there until you need him”

Fierce Abdicacy.

Outstanding!

That’s as good as a commenter today on Naked Capitalism calling JPMorgan “Jippy Mo”.

Jon –

Just can’t do it, can you? Can’t give up on the Dims and Ofraud. Got to root for them to win the meaningless horse race to be the figurehead for the uniparty.

Jon reported some facts.
You crack me up…
Sorry, I shouldn’t laugh, but it seems that you are so often just contrary.

Whenever you give bigots,the ignorant, the intolerant, the violent too much credit for being a force is when they start to become a force. Let’s push this trash to the side and move ahead.Let them wither and die in their self generated misery.

Yeah, I’m often contrary. It goes back to me fitting Ambrose Bierce’s famous definition of a cynic in The Devils Dictionary: “A cynic is a blackguard who insists on seeing things as they are, not as others wish them to be”.

For all his complaints about specific actions taken (or not taken) by the Dems and Preznint Ofraud, Jon just can’t make a clean break with the Dem party. He still believes that it and Zero can be fixed, reformed, steered in the correct (left) direction, etc. He’s like the beaten, battered wife whose husband is an inveterate, incurable, serial abuser and philanderer but she just can’t admit that the only reasonable response is to divorce him.

Sometimes people see things differently. I think this is one of those occasions. But, you are welcome to your own opinion.

Absolutely agree. It’s like what Bruce Dixon at BAR wrote:

So politically, it was a no-risk, no-lose proposition, and it gives staunch Obamaphiles still another halo, this one in rainbow colors, to hang on the head of their shining black prince.

http://blackagendareport.com/content/obamas-no-risk-drive-gay-marriage

As Onitgoes says: “too little, too late.”

If Obama had gotten into the pulpit before last weeks ass-whipping we at least might have kept it respectable and had some reason for mounting an effort to reverse it, in the near future. With that 20 point margin, I wouldn’t kick in a dime to try to walk it back. It would be money thrown away.

And it’s not just a matter of “seeing things differently”. That’s a “we suck less!” cop-out from reality and truth.

Barack Obama has caved on practically every opportunity to fight the good fight, and to TRY to reduce the power that corporations have over our government and our lives.

Listening to the pom-pommers praising Obama for his “courage” in “coming out” for Gay equality in marriage rights, is black-humor hilarious.

They ignore that, just as with the sorry spectacle of his treatment of Shirley Sherrod, he was hammered into it, almost accidentally, by Joe Biden, and more purposefully by the Gay and progressive firestorm that was building on his head. and they also ignore that in his ” speaking out”, he also spoke out for the right of states to block that equality….talk about cognitive dissonance!

Which is good enough reason to dump scorn on them, for supporting more of Obama’s looking for the “price point” at which he strives mightily to avoid political risk.

“I’m not so sure anymore…”

Did he come in with a plan to sell out?

Appropriately, it’s about the same debate as with Bush:

Determinedly corrupt, or, Mayberry Machiavelli?

I think it’s still an open question.

BTW, folks, I promise you, if he’d gotten in that pulpit AND had run real reform legislation up to the hill when he first came in, and had dared the republicans to filibuster it, they would have folded like a house of cards…and he would have been Captain America…and incidentally, have gone down as one of our greats.

Instead, my money says he’s going to be the poster boy for a failed president.

About all Romney has to do is avoid a major gaffe, or not have something really unsavory in his closet, and his chances of becoming president are pretty damn good and getting better.

“…greedy mayhem…”

Best two word description of amurka that I’ve ever heard. :o)

I didn’t see any pom pomming going on at this site.
Maybe you’re talking about other media, but I couldn’t tell who you were scorning.

Is that what you want? Romney as president?

> The BarackStar doesn’t like MJ

Oh, he liked it when he was toking up recreationally — that’s O Positive. But when someone with M.S. or cancer could use it to ease their suffering, he’s all O Negative. So Fuck You, Mr. President.

I’m willing to have it, rather than reward Barack Obama for doing rehab on the republican party and giving Romney the opportunity to BECOME president…because that’s what he’s done, by selling us out and squandering an historic opportunity.

If you think Obama deserves another term for doing that, then YOU support him and send him money. I did it the first time around, but I sure as hell won’t do it this time.

And, one more time, if you think that “We suck less!” is a good campaign strategy, they you really should do a head count in the House of Representatives, not to mention, of the seats we lost in the Senate.

I was scorning you, for calling out some of the posters on here who are critical of Obama.

There; fixed it for you. :o)

Go for it. I said you have a right to your own opinion.

That’s not exactly what I did.
But, I have as much a right to post my opinions as anyone else around here.
And, you didn’t fix shit.

True ’nuff. When Barry was a youngster, he enjoyed his illegal doobies.

But as I said, now that Barry’s bought off by BigPharma, he no likey the demon weed.

It’s good to be Barry. Sucks to be in the 99%, don’t it?

Sorry, I told Beach Populist that he had a right to his own opinions.
But, you do too, in any event.

Guys, it’s been kinda fun, you know, all this fierce debating, but I’ve got a potato salad to make.
We’ll all get through this, one way or another.

“You didn’t fix shit.”

Well, let me try again. :o)

Here’s a little check list for you. Let’s see if you have any answers, or would just rather piss and moan. :o)

Obama’s healthcare “reform” is supposedly his jewel in the crown. Do you think it should have included a public option?

When Byron Dorgan tried to put that amendment on to the HCR bill that would have allowed for re-importing
cheap generic drugs, Harry Reid killed it. I hope you don’t think he did that on his own hook. Did you agree with killing it?

Not long after that, when we still had that big majority in the House, a group of House democrats wanted to bring up a bill to strip the Health Insurance robber barons of their exemption from the anti-trust laws. It would have been a GUARANTEED legislative win for Obama, and would have mightily embarrassed the republicans if he’d made an issue of it, but Pelosi blocked it from coming to the floor. You think she did that on her own?

When he tried to wriggle out of the SOFA agreement that Bush signed for getting our military out of Iraq (and Jane posted about the wriggling, at length…) were you in favor of his wriggling, or did you want us out, right then?

How much longer are you willing to stay in Afghanistan? Do you agree with Obama’s projection of several years, minimum?

When Obama appeared at that fatcat $30,000-a-plate dem fundraiser and taunted progressives, were you angry about that (again, Jane sure was. :o) ) or did you think it was OK for him to use the people who put him on track for the White House, for comic shtick in front of OUR fatcats? I’d really like to know your answer to this one.

When Breitbart and Fox got after Shirley Sherrod for her “racism”, and Obama pissed himself like a little puppy, and tried to get her to resign before that evening’s news, were you okay with that, or were you disgusted, as were the many progressives who helped start the shitstorm that made him reverse himself? Same thing as above; how say you?

When he campaigned, he promised to protect Florida’s coast from offshore drilling (and, it’s fair to say, by extension, the rest of our coasts, too…) yet when the platform exploded and burned, BP (with help from NOAA and the Coast Guard) was lying through their teeth for WEEKS about how much oil was escaping, Obama did nothing, except talk. Were you OK with that?

More recently, how did you feel about his “coming out” for Gay equality, 24 hours AFTER the issue got the living shit kicked out of it, in North Carolina. Specifically, did you think he was “courageous” to speak out? (Even if he sorta-kinda diluted it by saying that states had a right to block it, if they wanted to vote to do so?)

Demi, you’re welcome to post your opinion on here, but it ought to consist of something more than “we’re not as bad as the republicans”, especially if you’re just scolding people who are being critical of Obama for specific, truthful, reasons.

I assume since you’re so jealous of your right to express your opinion, you’ll let us all know what those opinions are, relative to the questions I’m asking you. :o)

There’s a lot about Obama that I don’t like. Alot.
Afganistan should have been over before it started.
I wish the president would have come out earlier, way, on gay equality.
I also don’t like you putting words in my mouth.
I’m not jealous.
I’m not the drone you are looking for.
That potato salad is finished, so I’m going to chill it.
The salad and me.
I’m sorry that you are so angry. I’m angry too, but it doesn’t make me feel better to do what you are doing on this thread.

I will continue to voice my opinion here.
I don’t feel that it’s necessary for me to answer all of your questions

PS I wasn’t try to scold anyone, so I’m sorry you took it that way.
There’s a bowl of homemade potato salad on the counter if you want some.

Tanbark –

Hitting every pitch today. Opposing pitchers just can’t get you out.

I would love some of your potato salad.

Swap you some scrumptious — but sugar-free — brownies.

That will work, thanks.

if he’d gotten in that pulpit AND had run real reform legislation up to the hill when he first came in, and had dared the republicans to filibuster it, they would have folded like a house of cards…and he would have been Captain America…and incidentally, have gone down as one of our greats.

But that’s not what he way put in office to do by his big backers. His job is to protect them, increase inequality, and most importantly, to preside over the gutting of SSMM.

“preciate the offer of the potato salad, but I’d rather have some answers, and by your refusing to talk specifically about them, other than to say Afghanistan shouldn’t have started, and your wish that Obama would have come out for Gay equality earlier, it leaves me wondering if you don’t think it was okay for Obama to cut deals with Big Pharma and the health insurance robber barons…if it wasn’t then just say so, and I won’t be “putting words in your mouth.”

“A lot”

But not enough to let other people criticize him, for fear it will mean that Romney will become president? :o)

Beach, on his record, I can’t argue with you, at least, not very effectively, but I just have a hard time believing that he came in as part of a conspiratorial sellout, knowing that that would guarantee his failure as president, not to mention the damage it’s done to the possibility of real change.

I still tend to the belief that his collapse has been mainly about fear of rocking the boat. And the political stupidity of believing that the republicans would help him…some…with the salvage operation.

Or, a combination of Machiavelli, and a political Don Knotts.

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I’m not happy at all about the health care/Big Pharma situation and the president’s relationship to it.
I don’t know why you’re calling me out like you are.

By doing what his big-money backers want, Obama is assuring himself of a lucrative succession of jobs once he leaves office. Look how Tony Blair has been doing the past few years.

When Bush the Elder couldn’t get NAFTA through the Democratic Congress, the big-money boys saw to it that Bill Clinton was elected, because they thought he could, and the event proved them right.

Some goes with W, Obama, and SSMM.