In Yesterday’s Pennsylvania Democratic primary two incumbent members of the Blue Dog Coalition, Jason Altmire and Tim Holden, lost their re-election bids to more liberal opponents.
In the newly drawn 12th district Altmire was forced into a race against fellow Democratic congress member Mark Critz. Altmire had an inherent advantage, because the new district contained more of his old district, but he was narrowly beaten by Critz. Critz had the backing of a large collection of labor unions and Bill Clinton. While Critz is not exactly a diehard liberal, he did depict himself as being more in line with the Democratic values than Altmire. Much of the campaign against Altmire was focused on his being too conservative and siding too often with Republicans.
In the new more Democrat-heavy 17th district Matt Cartwright easily beat long time incumbent Holden using a similar message. Cartwright framed himself as member of the “Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party” who thinks the Democrats have compromised too much with Republicans in Congress. Cartwright drew a sharp ideological contrast between himself and the much more conservative Holden, and it worked very well.
Between the big losses in the 2010 general election, retirements and these primaries the Blue Dog Coalition has seen its numbers radically reduced. Unless newly elected freshmen choose to join the coalition at this point, the coalition’s membership should be down to just 18 Representatives next year. By comparison in 2008 they had 54 members.
With these two victories showing that being a Blue Dog can be a serious liability in a primary, I suspect their efforts to recruit new members will become much more difficult.



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Blue Dogs don’t need to recruit Blue Dogs. They can recruit the most proggie candidates they can find for the primaries, then be assured of buying them out as soon as they land at National AP.
“…Coalition continues to shrink”.
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Couldn’t happen to nicer bunch of assholes.
If only the Democrats had the White House; just think what progressive reforms we could accomplish. The only Democrat running as a true Democrat in 2012 is Jill Stein in the very traditional values democratic Green Party.
Is Critz part of the Blue Dogs? At least Critz knows he owes his victory to unions.
That’s it? Not a word about Obama’s catering to the whims of the BlueDogs for 2 years, when he SHOULD have been using his Bully Pulpit to try to honor his campaign promises? The demise of the BlueDogs is potentially a HUGE story for ideological Democrats. I say potentially because of how quickly Slick Willie Clinton jumped on board (obviously to minimize the likelihood this story would be reported for what it is – a Democratic voter revolt.
My latest pledge is to contribute & campaign to elect a Democratic House and Democratic Senate, AND most importantly – to DEFEAT OBAMA. It’s Obama who’s solely responsible for squandering a once in thirty year opportunity to affect real positive change for the great majority of Americans. Maybe giving our elected Dems (sans MANY BlueDogs) another chance will remind them who they work for!
AP?
Exactly.
I think we should start placing our congresscritters on ebay. Then we can at least know who bought them and for how much. And we can run up the price and try to make sure that no one person (remember, a corporation is a person) owns more than one Rep and one Senator.
Boxturtle (I don’t need to buy a congresscritter, I already have a disobedent dog)
airport
Best idea I’ve heard in a long time.
Would it be rude of me to mention that today’s “Democrats” would be too conservative for the original Blue Dogs?
Boxturtle (Heck, by todays standards, REAGAN would be a liberal)
We are defeating the Rahm/Obama current wisdom that Blue Dogs are needed to win in Purple Districts hopefully we won’t get betrayed but at the very least we are forcing the Dems to lie about being Left to get elected.
Oama’s excuse that he has to weaken our ideas in order to get any law passed is over:)
The GOP meme that Obama has to move more Right to get laws passed is revealed as small as a Tea Bagger counter protest to OWS:)
I’m sorry, but I’m very cynical. eCAHN, I’m not sure that they have to be bought out. They haven’t won in the general election yet, but if they do, they can see how easy it was for 0 to turn his back on the ‘professional left’ to the point of insulting us. I would be surprised to see them pass up the chance to ride the gravy train. They can do it without belonging to the blue dog caucus.
Clinton getting involved in a House race is curious he just shived the Blue Dogs he was so proud of helping create he was their first President. This begs the question is Clinton moving Left to help Hilary run in 4 years?
Interesting both statements at the very least suggest that Cartwright has a campaign manager who reads Lefty Political blogs and that a Lefty message can win elections.
We will see if any new Dems seeking office can win running on Blue Dog Rahm/Obama ideas this election.
Can Obama run as himself a Blue Dog this election or must he run to the Left? Will he be believed?
Time for the democrats to pretend they are not corporate whores.
Rep Holden was running as a Fracker supporter in Pennsylvania a state with plenty of Fracking jobs already created and allot of Fracking problems.
Voters there are in the best place to debate the benefits of Fracking jobs vs Fracking pollution because they live with both.
Rep Holden’s loss suggests that backing Fracking is a loser issue and that the Natural Gas companies ad blits pro Gas ( they never mention Fracking from what I’ve seen) is not enough:)
A very reasonable theory. Who else would the Dem’s run in 4 years, Biden?
Boxturtle (Anyone for a Dem Clown Car in ’16?)
Hillary will be 69 years old in 4 years. She is NOT going to run for prez. Besides, everyone now knows that a female cannot get elected to that office.
If Hillary were serious about it, she would have to be a Thatcher type alpha female. H tries hard but is no match for Maggie. I.E. she would be moving right, not left.
Can John Edwards get out of jail in time?
Agree this is a huge story if the Media ever reports it. I bet the Dems throw cash at the remaining Blue Dogs from helicopters in an attempt to keep their seats and gives the minimum to Lefties.
I thought before we could take the House running against Mitt but if the Dems support the Blue Dogs and don’t support Lefty candidates we will lose the House.
That will prove the Rahm/Obama Blue Dog plan is stupid to political insiders but they may not mention it after the election until Obama is safely out of office then the fake Left on tv will all come around.
The heart wants what the heart wants eCHAN no matter how irrational. Bill could be paving the way for his daughter to run by getting some Lefty Cred if Hilary won’t run but we will see.
Bill could be doing this just to tweak Obama’s nose after beating Hilary Bill has reason to tweak Obama.
That’s gonna take some acting classes.
Bwahahahahaha.
Whole Clinton family are now Wall St. whores, esp Chelsea.
Thats a show trial Edwards will not do much if any time when do rich white guys ever go to jail? When do Pols ever go to jail for Campaign finance violations? Paying off a mistress with campaign cash Sen Ensign payed off his Mistress granted not with campaign cash.
Misusing campaign cash for personal gain “the I am not a witch ” Woman financed her entire life on campaign cash and last I heard was not being investigated.
They just want to smear Edwards so he can’t run again thats all. But given half a chance I bet he will run.
Not George.
Wow, the intellectual dishonest on this site is beyond the pale.
I’ll believe the “results” that are delivered. Labels are just that anymore: labels. And mostly pretty meaningless once the corporate lobbyists fork over oodles of sweet sweet ca$hola.
Too many pols have learned well the lesson from the “Master,” Obama: speak in one “language” during the campaign to fool the rubes. Then govern the way the 1% dictates – and pays you off – once you get into office.
I do not *believe* anything any pol says. I only *believe* what I see when the votes/results are delivered once in office.
Democrat, schmemocrat… one branch of one-party Plutocracy.
True, dat. But when did that stop anyone from running for anything… even as a putative “Democrat”??
Thats why she needs Lefty Cred to run Obama lied his way into office being a Corporate Whore so why not Chelsea.
I am not saying it will work but Hilary did go to the Lake once to try and get our votes. I was there I think that Post lost her votes but I’m sure that won’t stop the Clintons from trying again.
No parent can ever easily admit that their actions might have harmed their kid. Chelsea was raised in politics it would be natural for her to follow in Dad and Mom’s foot steps.
Besides at Wallstreet what is she really besides window dressing and an address book for her Dad’s rich friends?
I bet she is not feeling a sense of accomplishment on Wallstreet.
So-called “Republicans” rarely get investigated and rarely go to jail, although there are notable exceptions.
Edwards actually stands a chance of jail-time bc he dared to challenge the 1% and tell the truth to the serfs in the 99%. That’s a big fat giant NO-NO.
Christine O’Donnell is a useful dolt to the 1%. Unless she really does something utterly egregious, she can do whatever she wants with the money the 1% “donates” to her. O’Donnell ain’t going anywhere except to bray bullshit at the rubes.
Edwards?? Told the truth. Can’t have that.
P.S. Disclaimer: not “defending” what Edwards did and find his hanky-panky disgusting. But doesn’t take away from the FACT that Edwards did, in a smallish way, “challenge” the system. THAT is why Edwards is on trial, and NOT really for anything else. JMHO, of course.
Please cite examples and your facts we all have opinions and when we argue we bring up facts. If you have a disagreement please feel free to argue your view with examples and facts.
A charge as serious as this without facts and examples to back it up is just a smear tactic better left to GOP sites.
Here you have to work at it and who knows you might change a mind or two if you got facts and examples.
I was laughing at the idea the Bill moving left would help Chelsea if she had prez ambitions.
No accounting for irrationality to be sure, but the one lesson we know Bill learned well is that if you want to be prez you gotta go for the big corp contributions.
That’s the advantage O had. His past is shrouded in a lot of mystery, a lot of his votes were ‘present,’ he could play one side rhetorically and the other side for real. It’s too late for Chelsea, working for hedge fund and $5 million wedding, to play that ambiguity role.
Got it. Have to agree with you on that one.
On Edit: Albeit Chelsea will still be able to “trade” on her Daddy’s name (blue dresses notwithstanding), and some segment of trad-Dems’ll be thrilled to have her run. Again: JMHO.
Do Pols really want to set a legal precedent that campaign finance laws and paying off a mistress is worth jail time when many of them can be accused of the samething? Are they that scared of Edwards???
I would think that just smearing Edwards with being indicted would be enough but I maybe wrong.
Guess only time will tell on this one.
My take is that the PTB are truly pissed off with Edwards, but we’ll see how it plays out.
Bingo! At best, these “not” Blue Dog Democrats might join the already ineffectual “progressive” caucus that huffs and puffs and then votes for the corporate agenda. Wasn’t it Howard Dean who first talked about a “Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party” and hasn’t he become one of the most corrupted shills in the Party (MEK, for one)?
The only way out of our predicament is for the Democratic Party to fail completely, to “Whig out” so to speak… and that’s what I’m voting for… the end of the Democratic Party itself. Anything less will always be status quo.
Isnt’ there a jury involved in this one?
I have a better suggestion (borrowed from a political cartoon I saw). Make Congress wear patches on their sleeves and lapels that show which corporations own them. Like NASCAR
It maybe irrational but the heart wants what it wants and the idea of Chelsea wanting office would fit a Woman raised by Bill and Hilary. A Dad wanting to help his daughter would fit. A Dad and Daughter ignoring reality because they both want something real bad well I am sure that in the half of all marriages that end in divorce more than a few Dad’s paid for the wedding.
I will agree Chelsea getting Lefty support is nuts but that does not mean her and Bill won’t try.
Look at the Hilary FDL thread Hilary announced her Right Wing ideas and did not even respond to our questions but she did show up her.
Chelsea was the one who told her Dad he needed to start reading the Lefty Blogs and Bill even met with FDL, Kos etc leadership before the chat.
Too bad he did not listen anyone would say going to a Lefty Blog and not answering questions would lose support.
People do act irrational we have to take that into account or else how else do we explain the 30%ers and Obamabots?
Best way to box the remaining Blue Rats into acting like “whatever the mythology that says the Dems represent the people”:
Start with a page from Grover Norquist. Demand the People’s Pledge: sign up to pledge a no vote for any legislation that raises Medicare to 67 and SS to 70.
Quite simply, any candidate, especially Democratic incumbents, who doesn’t sign will not get our vote, our $$$, our time and can expect to be Primaried.
Simple. “hey has Wasserman Shultz signed the People’s Pledge? No? Okay, who is running against her in the Primary who has signed and how can I help save the DEMOCRATIC programs under attack “
Yes
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/msnbc-tv/47160161/#47160161
No Woman his wife’s age on the Jury very nice strategy.
Agree wholeheartedly. That’s why I refer to Obama as an Eisenhower Democrat
Now for that Blue Dog in the White House.
I’m pretty sure Grover had GOP donor cash behind him when he got GOPers to sign on. I don’t think we have that kind of cash unless Soros and Buffet get involved. Still nice idea.
Double bingo.
Had a long email exchange with an acquaintance from VT over just that subject of Howie & MEK.
Took me awhile to figure that one out but I finally succeeded. PTB & PTB wannabes don’t know shit from shinola about anything except their own hardons for power & money. MEK gambit is analogous to neocons & Chalabi; it’s the govt in a box that will replace the ayatollahs once they are overthrown. Fantasy is that their own citizens, thru the great leadership of MEK, will do the job with the help of sanctions.
We know how well that worked in Iraq.
Yeah, that was number one on the to do list!
I think the guys a snake for cheating but I would still take him over Obama if he meant half of what he said.
I do think years in prison is over kill for cheating but I do wish that every Pol faced years in prison for misusing campaign funds.
I notice a few hearts around here want a Clinton dynasty. For reasons that are a complete mystery to me.
Yes, Jury trial. But there are ways and ways to work that system, esp with high-flying attorneys, and bribing jurors is not unknown. Does make it a tad bit more “fair,” though, to have a jury trial.
But we still get back: where’s the Jury Trial for John Ensign’s mis-doings? Ensign didn’t do the exact same thing as Edwards, but close. And all he got was a tap on the wrist, and he was a sitting Senator. Edwards was not even *in* office.
Go figure… there are other examples, of course. IOKIYAR.
They must be hearts heavily invested in the S & P 500 :)
Battered Wives and Husbands of the Democrat Party here at Firedoglake,
THE JURY IS IN AND IT HAS SPOKEN: GLENN GREENWALD WAS RIGHT AND LAWRENCE
“I AM A DEMOCRAT PRETENDING TO BE A SOCIALIST” O’DONNELL WAS DEAD WRONG:
From 2008-2010 The “DEMOCRAT WING” of the WAR PARTY had complete control of the Legislative branch and the Executive branch of the federal government. They had both the House and Senate, and they controlled the White House. No excuses will be accepted HERE. The only accomplishment for that two year period that the “Democrat Wing of the War Party” made was to elect scum of the earth dirtbags like Allen West and Joe Walsh and the rest of their merry band of low-life idiot teabagger misfits………
> And we can run up the price and try to make sure that no one
> person (remember, a corporation is a person) owns more than
> one Rep and one Senator.
Don’t be silly. Deregulation is inevitable, as it is required by The Jesus.
> Wow, the intellectual dishonest on this site is beyond the pale.
And now people will think we’re illiterate as well.
Just read about first day’s testimony by his “aid and buddy” Andrew Young. WHOA!!! Edwards is going down! Ifn I had his money it would be ME, Rielle, and the baby on the way to Argentina.
I agree there. Also, senator is worth WAY more than congressman. we need a “sliding scale”…… 3 US Reps = 1 Senator. Ooooops. What about cabinet members????
First: I reid an spel real good.
and B: I’ve nevere been accused of being an intellectual anything.
But, there’s lots o’ people hear smarter an me.
Rio….that’s in Argentina, right????
Is that where the Colombian hookers and blow are?
Clinton didn’t help the one candidate because he didn’t endorse Hillary in 2008. The mainline Dem interpretation of all this is that it means Hillary is on the fast track for the 2016 nomination. They don’t see it at all as a rejection of centrist/conservative Democratic pols but as embracing of the Clintons.
The term “Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party” was first used by Paul Wellstone to describe himself. Dean just co-opted it as part of his attempt at convincing progressives he was one of us, when he never really was.
No silly. That’s Paraguay.
Less Blue Dogs. This is good news.
Alright. I looked this shit up.
Teh Google says -
Rio – Home of Christ The Reedemer statue. It’s in Brazil. They made the last Fast and the Furious movie here.
Paraguay – Somewhere south of Mexico or something.
Argentina – They’ve got llamas and shit. Also alpacas, which are like llamas but not llamas, though nobody knows the difference between them.
Colombia – Shakira’s ass, hookers, blow, and embarrassed Secret Service agents; it’s a Country.
I am so glad to have you AND alan on FDL to show people how smart people in Texas are.
But, regaqrdless where it IS, I’m pretty sure that MOST people think Rio is in Argentina. Or, maybe Peru. No, sorry, Peru is where those Chilean miners were from.
There are llamas in Peru as well. I just fucking checked.
It’s a llama conspiracy.
Hey – whaddaya call an Irish llama?
O’llama.
0_o
It rhymes with Obama.
OMG there are llamas in Chile, too.
And isn’t that where the liberal rock band hippy Red Hot Chile Peppers are from?
Good news.
“Intellectual dishonest”?
A-yep.
Wow. We’ve got Mister DINO Defender telling us we’re all Ron Paul/Nader Worshipers, and we’ve got MISTER ALLCAPS telling us we’re all Democratic Party Hacks. Could you trollies all make up your minds here, please?