Romney currently stands a good chance of winning the general election. A recent Democracy Corps poll has him basically tied with Obama, Obama 47 – Romney 46. But the main reason Romney stands a chance at winning is because the American people are disappointed and unhappy with President Obama. The American electorate has not become pro-Romney or pro-Republican. If anything since 2010 the American people have turned strongly against the GOP brand.
Since disappointment with the incumbent president is mostly trumping unhappiness with the GOP, the current dynamic could still work to Romney’s favor as long as he is the only alternative to Obama. Romney’s hopes of winning go out the window if voters disappointed with Obama have the additional choice of a candidate to vote for to express both their disapproval of Obama and Romney.
That would require a candidate with the money, a large number of volunteers and a base of support to run an independent presidential campaign. As it currently stands Ron Paul is the only person who has proven he fits that profile. If Paul ran as an independent the same Democracy Corps poll found the race would be, Obama 43 – Romney 34 – Paul 18. Given another option of where to cast an anti-Obama vote a huge part of Romney’s support deserts him.
While third party candidates almost always end up doing worse than their polling, even if Paul only held 4-8 percent that should be more than enough to keep Romney out of the White House.
Of course there are all sorts of reasons for Paul not to run as an independent. It is a lot of work to spend on a likely hopeless pursuit and it could hurt his son’s long-term political prospects. But Paul’sĀ almost unique in having the power to destroy Romney’s hopes if he decided he wanted to. At this moment Paul has some serious leverage if he feels like exploiting it.
The Romney campaign, and to a lesser degree the Republican establishment, has a very good reason to be start being very nice to Paul, or at least respectful enough, to prevent him from going nuclear and destroying the GOP’s hopes of defeating Obama.
If I were Romney I might even consider using the excuse of “reaching out to Paul’s base for the sake of party unity” as a convenient way to justify tacking to the left after basically securing the nomination.




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You know Jon I am really getting tired of the polls you choose to highlight and comment on here. As I have said before I am not a RP supporter I am a supporter of unbiased media spin and its relentless brainwashing.
As this and many other polls show RP running as a republican is in a statistical dead heat with obama
polls also show RP has gained strength in SC gaining 11 points in the last week
When Santorum showed similar gains in Iowa you seemed to be all over covering that but RP surge in SC complete silence.
I think for your readers here you need to explain why you chose the polls you do to write about, and why when polls show RP in a close match up with Obama you go with the story lines above?
if your goal is to collect a portfolio of articles you can show to get a job down the road with a MSM outlet then I say you are doing a bang up job
here are the links
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/polls/204019-poll-south-carolina-getting-tight
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57355518-503544/poll-among-gop-hopefuls-romney-fares-best-against-obama/
Oh, 2012 is going to be chaos. Complete chaos. The biggest pie fight in the history of the internet, and the world. Because everybody is right. So, rock on. Trust me, it will all work out. (Well, except for the hard-core hypocrites. And even some of them can be redeemed.)
Party on, and be excellent to each other. Also, look into the Socialist Party. :-P
Romney wants government to lower taxes on the rich and eliminate regulations on corporations for reason (a) RP wants the same thing for reason (b). End result = the same. They’re both idiots.
Whatever Ron Paul does will not be visible until after all the other contenders against Romney have left the field. Paul is the one challenger whose base is so independent of the other candidates that he has staying power through the primaries.
The gutsiest move Romney could make would be to name Paul as his running mate. That would require some heavy negotiating about the GOP platform. Which is why it is not likely to happen.
Ron Paul now has to consider the fate of son Rand in any decision that he makes. That is why a third party or independent run is unlikely unless Rand Paul can pull a major segment of the independent (as opposed to astro-turfed) Tea Party grassroots behind it.
Turnout in the South Carolina primary will determine how well Paul does there. Because of the enthusiasm factor among his supporters, low turnout benefits his results. The South Carolina GOP establishment is surprisingly united (for an otherwise cantankerous bunch) behind Romney.
Another place Ron Paul could score a symbolic upset would be Texas. A “native son” (even though he was born in Pittsburgh) surge for Paul in Texas at the expense of all the remaining candidates (I’m presuming that Perry is out by then but if he’s in a Paul upset would make more media waves), then he would be in a strong bargaining position for the GOP convention and could pull the GOP agenda in his direction. The question is on what issues would the GOP move in Paul’s direction.
I say we better get over our resentments at Obama because ANY republican will haul the Tea Party into office with him. And Romney will haul the Mormon Church in along too. We all know what they did to Prop 19 in CA in 2010
Much as I loathe Obama, I’m going out and vote for him and every democrat I can find
Romney’s going to move left. He has to. If he keeps giving ass-rubs to the crazies, it just might be enough to cost him the presidency. Just as Obama needed the independents to win in 2008 (and he needs them even more, this time around) Romney needs them, now.
In fact, this election may well end up sounding like a couple of moderate liberals running against each other.
Of course, as anyone who’s been paying attention knows, it will all be bullshit.
There’s only one commandment for new or incumbent preznints:
“Thou shalt protect the corporate status quo!”
Sliiight problem, Kassandra;
“Vote for us; the republicans are even worse!”
got the living shit kicked out of us in the mid-terms, and I think it will be an even worse campaign slogan this time around.
If you’re a progressive who’s tired of playing defense all of your life, and if you’re disgusted that Obama has taken an historic opportunity to go on offense, and pissed it right down the urinal, then you’ll support practically any democrat who is willing to primary the sell-out.
I will.
Being mean to him doesn’t seem to affect him. I doubt being nice will work any better.
Way I see it
RP vs O – RP wins.
MR vs O to close to call.
With Ron Paul running as a third party he will take more votes from Obama than from Mitt. Winner Mitt.
There is another third-party candidate, Rocky Anderson. And I don’t care who it pisses off, that’s who I’m voting for, volunteering for, and donating to.
Really think Paul’s Galtian message will play well in the general election? I doubt it, but I am not much a pundit. I also doubt Mittens will take him on as a running mate except in a most extreme situation. This is shaping up, as someone said, to be two middle of the road candidates with Obama just a little to the left of Mitt. Mitt has the advantage, I would think, bc of the shitty economy.
Believe it or not, I would not be surprised if the supremes struck down the ACA mandate and Obama made that a campaign issue. It might even help him. I am curious what the FDL folks here want the supremes to do with that issue. I would have thought there would be more talk about it, maybe some ambivalence????
It would not surprise if Mitt took Rubio to sew up florida and maybe lend a hand with the latino vote, though his pull may not be that great outside of fl.
I wonder if Romney would take Paul as V.P.? I wonder if Paul would take the V.P.? I wonder what effect that would have on the neo-con and/or Wall Street base of the Republican Party in its support of Romney?
Naw. It’ll be Rubio.
I am more scared of war than the tea party. Obama is so whimpy and deferential to the neocons, I think he will start one with Iran after the election is over. The only thing that can stop this is paul.
Very interesting Obama goes from 47 to 43 a loss of 4 points. Mitt goes from 46 to 34 a loss of 12 points. If Mitt does not put Ron as VP I would expect Mitt to lose a few points from Ron voters who won’t cross over to him.
I talked about it yesterday in the thread. He might bump off Santorum. Big Deal. He won’t take first and I’m pretty sure consistent 2nd and third doesn’t get you the nomination.
The guy is 76 years old. If the GOP were to give him VP they screw themselves 4-8 years hence when they need someone to run. He might make an intersting Secretary of State but I think heads explode in the GOP if that happens.
Which GOPer leaving the race helps Ron the most is my question. Surely there must be a GOPer pulling votes away from Ron my guess is Newt but whoever that GOPer is if they leave Ron should get a boost.
Instead of second or third Ron goes to close second and second in the GOP primaries. Mitt and the Corporate and Fundy wings of the GOP won’t be able to ignore him then.
I agree with you as a VP he is to old but Mitt needs Ron as VP to win the election. Maybe Rand can be Mitt’s VP but in the end Mitt has soft support he needs Ron or a Fundy VP to get stronger support.
It is a shame that the vast majority of Democrats will hold their nose and vote for 4 more years (of the past 12) and vote for the continuation of our fascist regime. More wars, more corporate breaks, just what the common man needs.
Get over yourselves, Ron Paul as horrible as he may be on some issues, is the only one talking anything meaningfully progressive.
Many of us Ron Paul supporters have pledged that we will vote FOR Ron Paul or AGAINST the GOP … for some that means third party … for others it means Obama because it will also cancel out a GOP vote… but voting for a GOP that rejected Ron Paul again is out of the question… we support Ron Paul in the first place because we have had enough of the corruption… ENOUGH!
The lesser of two evils is still … evil.
Romney nominating Paul (Ron or Rand) as VP would be just another run-of-the-mill flip-flop.
If he does not, Gary Johnson will be the likely candidate for renegade Paul supporters, even if Paul himself calls for GOP unity.
The Ron Paul supporters should not tie them selves to one or two men; it is their interests that should predominate. But that is for them to decide.
And what makes you believe he will be progressive in those areas if he becomes president?
He will be beholden to the oligarchs who put him in office. Talk is cheap and doesn’t mean a thing.
I think I remember Obummer pledging many things he has abandoned since his “election.”
ggibson,
See my 25
3rd party
U got that right!
U mean which is better, the devil u know or the one u don’t know?
I hadn’t thought of Rand getting the VP slot in 2012. That’s a real possibility for Mitt to shore up the GOP.
But my guess is that if Ron Paul has significant delegates, he’d ask Mitt for a public declaration of support for Ron Paul as Fed Chairman. And while Wall Street would never approve of that, Mitt could counteroffer with Treasury. That could allow Mitt to maintain the veil of secrecy that shrouds Wall Street’s ownership of The Fed… yet make both Wall Street and the GOP base happy that Ron Paul would be involved in fiscal policy.
Me too. No question!
1. Mitt would never offer VP to Paul
2. and Paul would never accept it if offered
from my travels thru the blogs most real Liberals have good words to say about Ron Paul. As far as I can see, its supporting him or just staying home come Nov.
If by chance Paul wins or runs as 3rd party, expect to see Rocky Anderson as his running mate. The problem with 3rd party could be that No One gets enough Electoral votes. Which means that the House would pick someone, guess who