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Despite the fact the California voters are not overflowing with confidence in President Obama’s abilities, in the potential general election match-ups Obama would still easily defeat Mitt Romney or Newt Gingrich according to a new Field poll (PDF). While this isn’t a surprising result I think the partisan crosstabs on the poll are extremely telling.
(Image from Field Poll)
Obama and Romney are effective tied among “Non-partisans/others” in California but Obama absolutely destroys Gingrich with this group by more than a two to one margin, 60% – 25%. Those voters not aligned with one of the two major parties really dislike Gingrich and do not want to see him as president. Almost half of the non-partisans who would support Romney will instead vote for Obama if Gingrich is the GOP nominee.
I think no poll data point better exemplifies what a huge potential liability Newt Gingrich would be to the Republican party if he was their presidential nominee and standard bearer for 2012. While California is an extreme example of Gingrich’s problem with independents, this is clearly a serious national issue for Gingrich and the GOP if they nominate him.
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Newt gets 82% of the vote compared to Mitt’s 83% among GOPers any bets there are more Mormons in California than Florida this is not good news for Mitt. Also I bet Newt’s voters are Fundies and they vote more in GOP primaries than other groups.
Mitt’s hope is that this election because of the economy is a high turnout election however high turnout elections normally hurt the GOP.
Unless the GOP starts addressing issues like creating jobs and saving people’s homes with an idea other than more tax cuts to the rich they will lose.
After 10 years of Bush/Obama tax cuts to the rich not creating jobs and cuts in our SS and Medicare to pay for those tax cuts the GOP’s current response to the 2 biggest problem’s in America are going to be as welcome as a dead fish.
Add Newt as the GOP Presidential candidate Mr lets deregulate the banks and the GOP numbers should drop further.
Gingrich/Mitt on the GOP side. Obama on the Dem side. What if they have an election and nobody votes?
When Gingrich flames out, where will the Not-Mitt folks turn?
Boxturtle (Sarah Palin to the red courtesy phone, please!)
By poor Newt means BLack its GOP code. Obama is going to have to get a Spine and start addressing race. If Obama lets Newt demonize the poor as scapegoats Obama faces the same fate as Carter.
Newt is signaling he will go racist Newt is locking up the 30%ers and energizing them but if we and Obama fight back that will cost Newt many of the independent voters he now has.
If Obama just lets the Left go after Newt on race he risks losing. Or even worse he risks proving the Lefty Blogs can influence the voters even if the Media ignores Newt’s racism like they normally do.
Obama surrenders to the GOP on issues because he claims they have popular support. Obama’s low poll numbers are because he has done nothing to create jobs, save people’s homes and has not jailed bankers.
If Newt loses its because voters think 1) Newt will be worse addressing these issues and 2) Newt turns off independent voters with his racism.
Obama if he does not confront Newt on racism and wins the election hands us a victory and loses his main reason to surrender to the GOP on the issues the GOP’s *cough* popularity.
Obama = Romney
Obama > Gingrich
Assuming there is time for a new anti Mitt to emerge given Newt’s ego he won’t resign for any scandal unless he ends up going to prison. Given the GOPers willingness to ignore crime from their own only the Fear Newt can’t win the general election because the scandal is to big will scare them off.
Isn’t it to late for Sarah to get in the GOP primaries? If she runs as independent in the general election though then she splits the GOP from the Fundy vote their most energized voters.
Think Ross Perot, Bush, Clinton election only worse because Sarah is already popular with the fundies and in a general election would be the only Fundy candidate.
However Newt can hold some Fundies he has Cred with them. If Newt runs against Mitt and Obama in the GOP general election then the numbers will be worse for the GOP.
Either way anti Mormon GOP hate will hurt the GOP in later elections long term. Their is no way a diss like this can be ignored.
Sarah runs pass the popcorn:)
There have been some political cartoons that I’ve seen recently hinting that Bible Spice might still be “available” to run in the race.
Given how things have gone with the Not-Mitt candidates, the Grifter Media Whore might end up being their last best chance. I had thought they’d roll out JEB, but others say JEB’s being “held” until 2016. Which makes sense bc I still think that Obama will “win” bc the 1% want their hired hand to “win.”
I still say that this so-called “Republican Primary” is just Kabuki Show. I think the fix is in, and the next POTUS is a foregone conclusion: Obama. Not that I LIKE that, however. Just saying…
Besides courting the racist block, Gangrene’s also jockeying to capture the Evangelical wingnuts.
Evangelicals Flocking Toward Newt Gingrich
The GOP in these tough economic times wants someone who can rouse the hate Michelle and Sarah do that better than anyone but Newt is no slouch in that department he is just not as good. The GOP wants a true believer that excludes Mitt but Newt’s ties to the banks hurt him in this department OWS’s popularity hurts Newt and Mitt and focuses anger at their supposed strengths.
The GOP will not settle this time that hurts Mitt the most and Newt unless Newt goes racist which he will but that hurts the GOP with independent voters.
Conclusion the GOP will get the person they want and even Newt will cause some GOPers to stay home if he or Mitt are the choices. If Mitt or Huntsman are not the GOP’s President or VP candidate then Mormons will stay home.
So the GOP ticket will have a Mormon at least as VP and probably have Newt at the top slot the GOP will risk losing the general election to keep Fundies and Mormons.
After all GOP 30%ers vote more than most other groups and the GOP won’t/can’t change enough on jobs to get enough independent voters to make up for a loss in Fundies and Mormons.
Agreed!
Too early to make any predictions. But, wait, is that Sarah comin’ on strong?
I understand that bashing of this religion is resented here, but is it a mere coincidence that the two most detested creatures on the political scene at the moment, Newt Gangrene and Peter King, belong to the same persuasion?
We have a winnah! Why would Wall Street want anyone else?
Its sad the GOP is trying so hard to lock in voters who should already be in their pocket with unemployment numbers so high if the GOP had any real candidates this is the worse bunch of GOP contenders in my memory they should be reaching out to independent voters now to win the general election.
Its GOP mistakes, GOP bad candidates that are making this close no sitting President has ever won reelection with unemployment this high but the GOP is doing everything to change that.
Heck generic GOPer not a single GOP candidate now running beats Obama in the polls. This weakness in the GOP leaves room for Sarah to run.
We need to look at the Ross Perot race and see how GOP voter disappointment with the candidate tracks then to GOP voter disappointment with the candidate’s now.
No the Catholic hard right supported Franco in Spain the last Pope hated commies but had not one word to say about Nuns, Priests etc who supported the poor getting killed by right wing death squads.
Right Wing Catholics however have no base look at Catholic support for Birth Control you can’t win elections with those numbers.
Eh? As I said: I think the fix is in, and Obama will “win.”
There is no perceivable difference between Republicans & Democrats anymore. My take on the Kabuki Republican Primary is that the so-called “choices” are so stinking bad for a very good reason. There literally is no one “strong” enough to defeat the incumbent… and that’s done deliberately.
As idiotic as the Republicans are anymore, I don’t believe for a second that they couldn’t come up with someone, anyone better than this pathetically ridiculous bunch of clown characters. Romney only stands out bc he appears less monumentally batshit crazy than the rest of the idiots and dolts.
But it’s like in 2004 when the so-called Democrats run John Kerry for POTUS. Admittedly, in comparison to someone like Michele Bachmann or Herman Cain, Kerry actually appears to be a “good choice.” But seriously?? Running Kerry against Bush? That was done deliberately to make *appear* that Bush, you know, actually “won” bc Kerry is such a weak candidate to run against the incumbent. Like the Dems couldn’t have come up with a stronger candidate?? Please.
We now know that the PTB made Palin be McCain’s VP running mate to scare Dems – many of whom DID question whether Obama was a good choice or not – into GOTV for Manchurian Candidate Obama. I do think Obama really won the majority of the popular vote, but he gained a LOT of those votes by the 1%/WallSt scare tactic of putting Caribou Barbie on the GOP ticket. If the Grifter runs for GOP POTUS, then the same situation will occur in 2012 with a bunch of citizens voting *against* Palin out of fear, and thus voting for Mr. Corporatist Hack Shill Suck Up to the 1% Obama.
Frankly, IMO, it’s ALL just a bullshit Kabuki Show anymore with a revolving cast of characters tossed out to make is *seem* like some “real” is happening. Not so much.
I’m AGHAST that anybody would vote for Gingrich for ANYTHING. I wouldn’t let him pick up dead animals on the highway. He’s a liar, thief, scoundrel, adultress, despicable, scheming little weasel. And that’s on a good day.
Crap > Gingrich
I agree with most of what you say, in particular Obama and the Democrats must take head on just what Gingrich stands for.
He says it loud and clear. And sad to say it is heard daily from the mouths of most of the white people living in the south. He knows his base. He created it. Just saying “I think he is despicable” or “he is irrelevant to mainstream thought” is not enough. His history, character and rhetoric need to be dissected and exposed.
The sane people cannot take him as just a character created for the campaign and easy to see through. He speaks as he and his huge following truly think. I really believe we are in danger of electing him president.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/election_2012_republican_presidential_primary
Newtie had a sex change?? Do tell! /s
Just jokin’. I think you meant adulterer… but I agree with you.
However, you are forgetting the cardinal RULE: IOKYAR.
Nothing, I mean NADA, that Newt has done or not done ever COMPARES to the dastardly evil that Monica giving Clinton a blowjob. Never forget!
It’s OK for Herman Cain to have a 13 year adultrous affair with Ginger White because they were *consenting adults.* But Cain claims to be Republican.
Clinton had an adulterous affair with a consenting adult, but OHMIGAWD!!!!!!!!! Dastardly! Evil! The end of the world is coming! lather rinse repeat
We need to start calling Newt out on his code word racism on the front page.
I thknk there is enough anti-Obama sentiment to get Romney elected. But NOT enough to put Gingrich into office. I don’t thinkg the GOP PTB want Gingrich as their nominee. He’s a slimeball and they know it. His only current qualification is he’s not-romney. But the GOP voters will “get over” their lack of amore’ for the Mittster. And the large number of disenfranchised independents who PUT Obama in office will also vote him OUT.
How many times do I have to say this? Clinton did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewsinsky. He had sex FROM her. I though we had a meeeting and decided that what Clinton did was NOT adultery. He was just being polite and cooperative with a staff member. Gee….cuth the guy some slack. :-)
Lastly, re: Cain….although I do not believe his relationship with White was purely platonic, 13 years with ther same mistress? That’s devotion. He paid her rent and bought her groceries when she was out of work. And she repays him like this? It’s obvious ALL those women he harassed and who rebuffed him missed out on a good thing.
Yes. But it’s not just “good old southern white supremacy.” His words and really his policies demonstrate not only a deep and murderous hatred for the poor and unfortunate, particularly the helpless but as well as those who would nurture; ie “the mommy party.” He has no internal restraints on what he will say or do to torture those he finds in his way.
His style is annihilation not manipulation. And I think his pleasure in life is in the destruction of others, not so much your usual megalomaniacal power to control things. That is why he so often implodes.
Ms. White may have “outed” Cain bc she felt pressured to do so. By whom? I don’t know. But I never believed that Cain was a “serious” candidate. The PTB let him “run” just to push the goal posts to the right and to provide entertainment to the masses. My take? The Herminator started to get some reasonably serious support in the polls. Suddenly Ms. White is in front of the cameras “outing” her erstwhile boyfriend, who does appear to have taken care of her.
Don’t think the PTB wanted Cain in the race anymore. JMHO, of course.
The deep south is in my view solid for Newt. The danger lies in those who don’t take his rhetoric seriously and believe the media (and Bill Clinton) which insists on downplaying the hatred while describing him as a brilliant intellectual idea man.
Agreed but I don’t think he has time to implode this time so he will likely be the new anti Mitt if he wins the Primary given that hate is a drug for his big ego and gets him the most applause he will go even further racist.
That gives Obama a chance if Obama calls him out.
That is the operative phrase.
Now, we get the accelerated contest to see who can suck up to the rightwing assholes the most; Willard or Newt. I think that Newt can win this hands down, since Romney has some vestigial common sense about him, while Newt is as crazy as a shithouse rat. We’ll see.
Yes, true. I agree with you about Gringrich’s style and his narcissitic nihilism.
However, his attitude towards the poor, minorities, disenfranchised, and yes, even to the elderly reflects JUST what the PTB want “advertised” these days: that’s A-OK to HATE HATE HATE anyone who appears to be a “weaking” who might, GASP SHUDDER, suckle at the govt tit. In these Randian times of so-called standing on your two feet, we can’t have anyone who, you know, demonstrates compassion towards those who need real help.
I think pushing Newt forward at this time is feature, not a bug. Gingrich just folds right into the agenda these days.
There was a letter to the editor in my nooz paper the other day where some asshole ranted that the students who were pepper sprayed at UC Davis should STFU and be *grateful* (not shitting you) that they were merely pepper sprayed. After all, if they had been born in Syria, they would’ve been killed.
I am paraphrasing, but I am no exaggerating. THIS is *exactly* the attitude that the PTB want some parts of the 99% to have. Newt is their go-to guy for this bc clearly Newt sociopathically revels in it.
I agree that Cain was just in it for the reasons you suggest and when he started being a distraction, he was “taken care of”. By whom? If I can steal a line from the movie “JFK”, 1. Who benefitted?
I won’t dispute that. The south IS solidly for Newt and will be solidly against any Mormon. Rest of the country, however, will be the opposite. WE can only hope.
“Sarah Palin to the red courtesy phone, please.”
I believe you’re onto something if Romney implodes.
Polls be damned. I don’t see the GOP as turning to Newt. He’s badly damaged goods. Palin is too, to a lesser degree, but she really fires up the flat-earthers, and getting in late could be a plus, instead of a minus. We’ll see…again.
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No shit. Shows who pays Clinton’s payola these days, don’t it??
Plus, yes, since Obama was elected, the fascist propoganda machine, including NPR, has been beating the damn drum about what an intellectual “smartie” fascist nasty-boy Gingrich is.
Again: it’s a feature, not a bug. The fascists love ‘em some Gingrich big-time bc he is a sociopath in their own mode. Gingrich has not one whit of conscience or a problem lying, cheating, stealing, self-aggradizing, etc, to get in the limelight and be paid big buck$$. A complete theiving lying megalomaniac bigoted shit he is.
Don’t expect Obama to call Gingrich out on *anything.* The both work for the same corporate pay-masters.
Too good; the only person electable (as it stands now) may not be able to get the republican nomination.
Of course, there IS the possibility that with Obama having demonstrated an unexpected willingness to lay down like a cur dog, the GOP PTB’s might be content to have a faux democrat in the Oval Office, and go with one of the crazies as a sacrificial offering.
anyone who is somewhat appealing to independents will not win the GOP primary. Anyone who is crazy enough to be annointed by the GOP will not win the independents.
It’s as simple as that.
Obama will do what he has to (go neg on GOP candidate) in order to get re-elected. Don’t anyone worry about that.
God, it was nauseating to see Clinton doing the hiney-lick maneuver on Newt. Sucking up to that vicious little shit ended what remaining respect I had for him.
Whereas Gingrioch is probably “acceptable” to most republicans, he is NOT to most independdents who KNOW who he is.
But, “Don’t expect Obama to call Gingrich out on *anything.* They both work for the same corporate pay-masters.”.
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That may well be true and that worries me. A LOT.
Who benefited? The 1%. Cain, with his idiot “tax plan,” pushed the goal posts to the right. Didn’t matter that the plan was idiotic drek. Plus Cain served a useful purpose in propounding the notion that the GOP isn’t racist… yeah: right. Sure. The GOP uses useful AA, like Michael Steele and Herman Cain to push that stupidity bc some feckless portion of the 99% buys that bullshit. So Cain, like Steele, was perceived as useful the 1%.
And Cain knew his days were numbered, but Cain blissfully rode that Grifter train and got highly compensated for his “work,” I’m sure. Cain may have known well in advance that Ms. White was gonna out him, too. Nothing would surprise me. I think it was all scripted, as in: Kabuki Show.
Obama may be GOP in disguise, but this is a competition for spoils. Obama won’t get the spoils unless he wins. So he’ll bring it. IMHO.
No kidding, albeit I totally LOST any respect for Clinton a loooooooong time ago, so his butt kissing of Newt came as no big surprise to me. Plus it just hammered home how much this is all just orchestrated Kabuki Show.
Yes. I agree his attitudes are exactly those of the Randian PTB. Attitudes I have not seen so public since in the literature of the days of slavery. They really don’t even respect those who work while demonizing those who are unable to work. And I think you may be right about the support of the ptb or at least the element supporting the governors, Kasick, Walker, Scott etc. They seem to be behaving as though this is their time to claim ownership of all on the planet. And to be sure enough of their power to without fear of arousing opposition that cannot be suppressed and oppressed.
I would imagine Gingrich is a bit of too much of a loose canon for their tastes but he may be the best they have.
Side note: I recall a couple of weeks before his beginning surge that someone in the msm commented he was about to come to the top. It seemed a joke at the time. My paranoid thought was that the msm guy had been tipped off by some ptb operative.
If you want to feel a chill: Read this. Link
Eh? Maybe as a show-piece. IMO, Obama will “win” bc that’s who Wall St wants to “win.” Ever hear of Diebold??
Don’t count on it.
BINGO!!! It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If your 401(k) lost money in the crash, it’s all YOUR stupid idiotic fault bc YOU, you stupid louse, didn’t invest “wisely enough.” YOU need to figure it out and be a “rugged individualist” and stop expecting the nanny state to take care of you, you lousy shit. And if you’re working in either the private or public sector, you better be willing to accept whatever slave conditions are imposed bc that’s what rugged individualism’s all about.
Don’t like it? Well then go set up your own business. Of course, just bc the deck is stacked against you doing that – by having TONS of taxes that the BIGS don’t have to pay – too bad, so sad, get used to it. If you were stupid & LAZY enough to be born to working or middle class parents?? That’s all YOUR fault, too, and/or you just need to keep praying to Jesus HARDER whilst working your lousy slave fingers to the bone.
etc
What’s amazing to me is how much the authoritarians in the 99% willingly drink this Kook Aid and accept it as if it’s ALWAYS been this way. Myohmy how low the mighty have fallen.
Eh? A huge amount of the TeaGOPers LOVES ‘em some Newt big-time. He is not as “disgraced” or whatever in terms of how the righties see him. And if el Lushbo directs the TeaGOP to view Newt positiviely, believe me, they will.
A Clear Channel radio station in Sacramento, CA just yesterday changed one of their soft-rock stations to an el Lushbo station. And now here is the poll about Indies in CA hating on Newt.
I don’t think the timing of the Clear Channel station change to an el Lushbo format was accidental.
If I may…..last night I caught just a “snippet” of something/someone who said Rush was “tearing Newt down’, big time. Anybody know if that’s true???
hmmmm….. I wouldn’t know. If so, then the PTB are paving the way for Newt to flame out, then, ala Herman Cain…. and then it’s anyone’s guess whether they’ll “settle” for Willard or whether someone like the Snowbilly Grifter will be suddenly shifted to the spotlight.
Nonetheless, I still figure the switch to an el Lushbo format on that Clear Channel station in Sacramento is no accident. It’s part of the prep for the upcoming Kabuki Show called the General ‘lection. JMHO, of course.
I agree. I think it is a great risk to assume that the people who live in the northern and western climes are likely to reject Newt. They certainly swallow the same garbage coming from Limbaugh et al.
It’s possible. There are a number among the ptb in the GOP who loath Gingrich because he couldn’t complete the agenda of hate and destruction of the federal government. Folks like the cold blooded Tom Coburn, as remorseless as Gingrich, and Joe Scarborough are examples. Did you see this article by Dan Bartlett?
Newt’s cute ideas! I weighed in at:
http://www.theamericanhuman.com/2011/12/newt-is-no-newton.html
My rightwing family LOVES Newt, but they are also friends with Rick Santorum. So that’s all you need to know there!
I’d like someone to point out Gingrich’s product of a day’s “work”. Someone should challenge Gingrich to pay a poor kid (or their parents) $60K to stand in front of a group of people and just talk for a half an hour-they could say anything they want, getting any facts right not necessary. Every one of them would jump at the chance.