Someone, it seems, is “raising” Cain …

Might you speculate, being, as you say you are willing “…to accept that almost anything is possible …” what a Cain-Obama “battle” for the Presidency might “look like”, Jon?

What would the PTB and the MOTU have to lose with such a “line-up”?

Would it not be the best of all possible “divide and conquer” set-ups, in the “traditional” view of what you term America’s current “political climate”?

Just curious, I am, and very sincerely hoping that you might share some thoughts on what might be a real and actual “possibility”.

DW

A Mormon or a black guy as the Republican Nominee? That would cause a collective head explosion on the right. What if they are both on the ticket?

Armageddon!!!

Heh, I said it the other day.

That interview where he said something like if you’re broke and unemployed “it’s yo’ fault” was like sweet, sweet, music to wingnuts ears. I’m starting to think ol’ Herm’s got a real chance.

Yep, I can see it now. Herm starts to distance himself from everyone else, the first primary or two occur and ole’ Herm wins and…. suddenly R’s all over the country go WTF??? He’s BLACK?!?!?! and in comes Jeb to rescue the party again….

LOL every scenrio my warped mind dreams up seems to end the same way. With Jeb as the next President of the US.

Sure because conservatives hate black people and Mormons.

I suppose it’s lucky that Obama wasn’t a veteran because liberals hate the military.

Hey, maybe you and I can rummage and see what other stereotypes are laying around, share them with the crowd for big laughs.

Who told you that liberals hate the military? We hate being lied into war. We hate when the PTB don’t give wounded soldiers the medical care they need. We hate it when mortgage companies use deceptive and illegal tactics to rip off vets on the mortgages. We hate it when right wing retards use the military as a shield against criticism.

I think you’ve been watching too many 1960′s doc’s.

Don’t know about Mormons, but Republicans have provided more than enough evidence to show they hate Muslims. And liberals.

You must have missed the word “stereotype” in my post, as in stereotype.

But I feel for you, why, because next year you’ll have to vote either for a “right wing retard” or a left wing guy who continued all of Dubya’s hated policies. I suppose there is a 3rd option, a write-in or some as of yet unnamed indie candidate, but that way lies madness and defeat.

If Romney spent five million on an ad buy that noted Perry was once Gore’s Texas campaign head, Perry would be no more.

Vague conspiracy theories aside, I think many Republicans just like Cain. He accomplishes the twin objectives of allowing people to confirm that they’re not outwardly racist and to affirm that poverty–and structural racism–are all poor people’s fault at the same time. I live in the South, where most white people have a few Black friends, many of the latter very conservative, too. (In the north, OTOH, most of my liberal friends love Black people in theory, but don’t know any, and live in segregated suburbs were Black people are also perfectly welcome in theory.)

And let’s face it, a lot of liberals enjoyed hearing Obama lecture Black fathers, too.

Rafe, you do know how to make friends and influence people, don’t you?
You have points to make, but you tend to put your audience off in your first comment, and then what you really have to say gets unheard.
You don’t have to read and hear my concern to help you be better Heard, but, just sayin’.

I’m breaking my own rule about not feeding trolls but OK.

As god awful as Obama has been and he’s been a disappointment of epic proportions, he would be a damn sight better than any candidate the R’s could field but I going to have to disappoint you Rafe. I live in Texas. My vote for Obama would make no difference because of the electoral college. I’m hopelessly outnumbered by toothless, Bud sipping, gun-tottin’, uneducated red-necks.

Sometimes “stereo-types” are true.

I appreciate your reply, but I’m not trying to win friends or influence anyone. I’m just posting, if I want a friend I’ll get a dog.

I could say the same thing you said about comments 2 and 3, stereotypical baloney that gets in the way of the need for the constructive dialogue that I keep hearing is the only thing that will pull a polarized nation together. How should I respond, “Hey hi, insightful comment”?

I don’t identify as a conservative or a liberal, I have a bit of each which makes me whatever you want to call it, and believe me I get equal heat from righties on their side of the interwebs.

I can’t decide if these candidates wear neckties redolent of Life Savers or Charms. The photo’s lighting makes it impossible to tell if Herm’s tie is Lemon or Pineapple.

Why do you scornfully refer to a group of your fellow citizens as a collection of uneducated bigots while simultaneously committing spelling error after spelling error and using vilifying racial slang; it’s not good form.

These polls are phony, much like the economy, the Justice department, and our democracy.

I agree. The people responding “for” Cain are pulling our leg. The GOP and their ilk are not gonna support, even a little bit, much less nominate a black guy who has NO POLITICAL experience. This is so far fetched it’s just not credible.

Check the survey. They only sampled 1,000 people.

Is that the best you can do?

What did I misspell?

Did I spell everything right that time?

Jon wrote: “It appears, at this point though, that the anti-Perry vote is even larger than the anti-Romney vote.”
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Everything I see or hear supports that. And, trust me, Perry is not done shooting himself in the foot. When Romney does well up north, the end will become apparent.

stereotypical baloney

If you’re trying to argue that the Republicans DON’T have a history of racism, well, good luck with that.

Word of warning though. Anyone with two functioning eyes and ears and a functioning brain aren’t gonnna buy what you’re selling. The Republicans earned that reputation by their actions. The reputation didn’t just come out of thin air.

I just don’t see a Mormon getting the evangelical vote. I would not rule out the possibility of OldFatGuy’s Jeb theory @3.

Only one prediction. 2012 will be the lowest turnout election in… ever. And there will be a run on clothespins. I guess that’s two predictions.

Cain is simply filling a vacuum right now because he is slightly less of a dolt than Perry, and Romney is looked upon by GOP primary voters as more of a hologram than a real flesh and blood human. In a few weeks Cain will float away the way Perry has done in the last three weeks.
I find your broad generalizations about black/white relations South versus North to have no basis in verifiable reality.

Ya mean like the Southern Strategy?? It’s not a secret that Republicans have used outright racism for years to gin up their voters.

I doubt that Cain that will go anywhere. He may be ahead at the moment. So what? Bachmann was ahead a few weeks ago, and now look at her.

Argue with me if you will, but most evengelicals will have a hard time pulling the lever for a Mormon. Call ME a “racist” for saying that, if it makes you feel better in some odd-ball way. I come from an extremely fundie family, and I would find it well-nigh amazing if my family members ever voted for a Mormon for anything.

So who knows?? The money-boys probably like Mitt cuz he = Obama. They’re both pretty much the same thing, as far as the 1% is concerned. Whether the 1% feels obliged to actually, you know, run an “election” that looks like it has 2, you know, “different” candidates who allegedly “represent” sorta-kinda “opposing” viewpoints is the real question.

I mean: I don’t really see much of a difference between Mitt and Obama.

Cain? Stick a fork in him; he’s done. Not going anywhere. Merely a fluffer for the rightwingers to make ‘em feel not-racist ‘n stuff.

Here is a CNN poll that shows Ron Paul losing to Obama by 4 points. Ron who?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/27/news/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927

Hey Guilty,
Here’s what I wrote, which is a reponse, in part, to endless bashing of the South which I often find here and at DailyKos, with (your words) zero basis in discernible reality:

“I live in the South, where most white people have a few Black friends, many of the latter very conservative, too.” You don’t find this true? Do you HAVE experience of the south (because I have lived in NY, SF, Detroit, and several places IN the south), and definitely DO find this to be the case, with notable exceptions. I would offer both of my brothers and almost everyone I went to school with–all liberals–as examples of people who have considerable sympathy for Black people in theory but no Black friends. , and that was the case with me in all the Northern places I have lived.
It was even true of my parents, who introduced Flint, MI’s first fair housing law and got it passed long, long ago. It is in the main a STRUCTURAL fact of life in the North, which also has many ghettoes, unlike the South.

If you simply speak from lack of knowledge, a historian like Frances Fox Piven can fill in any gaps you’ve got about how the Klan originated in Indiana, etc. Detroit had riots in the 40s; Philly was a Northern city with
a great hatred of Blacks right through the Civil War, etc., a hatred Southern Whites didn’t even need to hold, so absorbed were they in the RIGHTNESS of their privilege (and not threatened by arriviste Black people from the south). Etcetera.

If this shoe does not fit you, I salute you. This is an axe I ground here once before (apologies for such semi-obsessiveness) because American liberals are only a tiny bit less full of beans in their hatred of various groups than conservatives; ultimately, we have to make common cause with WORKING and poor people, including insecure whites (found all over–see Idaho and white supremacist Nazis of the great northwest) if we want real political progress. All best.

Herman Cain would be a gift to Obama, who would mop the floor then do the windows with him. Barack could spot Herman 40 IQ points and still beat him at checkers.

If Palin was inarticulate and underexperienced, Cain is that on steroids. If Obama is a gifted orator, Cain is…well, he isn’t.

Please, Herman, America needs you!

this is going exactly how I predicted

the puppeteers need a candidate who is unelctable in order to keep the zero in office

cain steps to the plate and you see him on the TEEvee far more then romney and VOILA!!!, he is polling in front of the most electable candidate the pukes can find

they NEED obama to win a second term

you are posting as if you want obama to win, he is the bendict wolf in trojan clothing, he is playing for THEIR team

Please everyone look on Google Map and see where Godfather’s Pizza’s are located.

Most if not most are located near a military base. So his great achievement in business is governmental employees, YET, he asks us that government should be shrunk. I suspect his 9-9-9 plan doesn’t have anything to do with MILITARY might, except for the soldiers and their families. They can bleed and starve and get help from the local church!!!!!