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Back when there was hope for change (photo: Ragesoss)
Obama isn’t in trouble just because liberal whites are leaving him for “racist” reasons. Obama isn’t in trouble because just some Jews, which make up less than 2 percent of the population, are upset with his handling of Israel. Obama doesn’t have an “Hispanic problem” because of his failure to advance immigration reform and the fact that the Hispanic community is experiencing unemployment rates above that of whites.
The main issue is not that Obama has an Hispanic problem, Jewish problem, blue collar whites problem, Cuban-American problem, white liberal problem, Catholic problem, gay problem, or Asian-American problem. What Obama has is an everyone problem. His numbers are down significantly across the board.
Beyond every individual group’s specific concerns, what the bulk of the American people first and foremost elect a president to do is govern their country well. Obama’s problem is that basically every group across the spectrum feels the country is being governed poorly.
Official unemployment has been stuck around 9 percent for 28 months in a row, and there are no indications fast growth can be expected soon. Despite an initial burst of optimism right after Obama took office, the general trend over the past two years is that the American people have grown more pessimistic about the economy as a whole.
On a personal level only 27 percent of adults feel they are better off than when Obama took office, while 44 percent feel they are worse off. This is a sign of a country with serious problems and a government that has totally failed to fix them.
It is only natural the American people are extremely dissatisfied. Even if you think the blame for the failure to provide effective government rests mostly with Congressional Republicans, in the end only Obama is the head of the government.
Obama’s main problem isn’t that he has done a poor job addressing some subgroup’s specific concerns. His real problem is that he has failed the first order requirement of all Americans that their President provide the effective governance needed to address an immediate crisis.
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“Across the board?” Are African-Americans not on the board?
He can’t do jack without Congress. But we can thank all the disappointed “Progressives” who stayed home from the polls last year for that.
One of Obama’s biggest problems [with "everyone"] is that he doesn’t seem to give a damn about this and how it affects people. He’s only concerned because it might affect his re-election.
you can thank Obama.
Obama isn’t in trouble because just some Jews, which make up less than 2 percent of the population, are upset with his handling of Israel.
For being a meager 2% of the demography, they do make up, at least 50%, of all political contributions…! Think AIPAC, kiddoos…! 8-(
Elliott, they’re getting started early, eh? The obots are going to be like clouds of mosquitoes a year from today. I shudder to imagine.
I absolutely agree. The Obama problem is twofold. First, he hasn’t done any of the things he promised.
Two, politicians live or die by their words. Reagan always said he was pro-life but he never did anything about legislation in that direction but the wingers seemed to think that he had. Obama, because of his complete disinterest in the people, doesn’t bother to say the right words most of the time and when he does, at this point, no one believes him anyway. Too late for redemption now, I think.
I’d argue he’s doing FINE for the corporate fascist 1% . . . Obama works for them, not for the citizenry who elected him.
As such, Congress is a smokescreen of kabuki bullshit, Obama has NO intention for doing anything for the masses, with or without Congress.
Presidents have many things at their disposal should they decide to whip the eyes of Congress to do their biddings . . .
Do not misdirect readers with the smoke of Congress being an issue.
Yep, already been a lot of them past few months here n there.
Agree. Stay home and elect Rick Perry, Rick Scott and Scott Walker. That was great advice.
As to Mr. Walker’s diary he’s spot on.
This problem of Obama is an everyone problem, with likely no way to fix it . . . unless the election is heavily rigged, he will NOT win.
Of course, I don’t really care anymore . . . they all work for the 1% and themselves, and not for the masses, so they can’t hurt me any more than the last 30 years of failed government have hurt me.
There are three branches of government. We also had the SC declaring that corporations are people last year. Obama’s appointees did not vote for that.
Fear of lessor evilism has been debunked and disproven on this site hundreds of times.
You must be looking for politico dot com, yer on the wrong corner.
Obots versus the Perry enablers. Quite a battle is coming.
You would murk the waters of truth with respect to Obama’s purely corporatist agenda and actions since he signed oath of office?
Wow . . . that’s just bald ass bold lying shit . . . amazing.
Yer on the wrong corner. Still.
I’m Sure You’ve Seen This.
Obamas problem is that he turned out to be a fraud of epic proportions. As have the dems in general. People initially excused this but after he showed his true colors over and over and over again people finally figured it out. At least some of them did.
I didn’t vote for this guy to have him bend over backward 98% for the repukes and 2% for me.
Next.
Don’t you know Obama thinks he’s doing an awesome job. All this carping is just undermining his chances for a 2nd term.
Has it really? I don’t think it can be truthfully debunked until one is taken up in the rapture of Perry’s presidency.
I’m not fighting about it. I’m simply not voting for Obama. I’m not voting for a Republican, either. And no, I’m not sitting out the vote. I’ll vote 3rd party or write in. I think a lot of other people feel similarly. We can’t reason with Obots, at least not from what I’ve seen. So there’s nothing to fight about, is there.
Interesting how the threads have played out today. There was something about how Obama dissed the Congressional Black Caucus with his statement about “take your slippers off and put your marching boots on”…or words to that effect. I just saw the clip on Rachel (who, I know, is persona non grata around here) and what I saw was not what I’d earlier read. It did seem that he energized the CBC…..at least there was a big ovation as he completed his speech (which actually said, “take your bedroom slippers off”).
Then on another thread Lady Gaga got dissed by some commenters, while I actually thought she was pretty wonderful for buying a ticket (for over $35K) for the ‘privilege’ of speaking to our Preznit about stopping bullying. I think she has been a consistent spokesperson for equal rights for all, but not everyone seems to think she’s worthy of voicing such thoughts.
I was steered to a link of Melissa Harris-Perry making the most ludicrous racial bias claims that I’ve ever read………oh, oops, I got there through the rude pundit.
It’s really getting confusing out!
I know this blog welcomes red staters but not Obama voters. You are not telling me anything. See old Ron Paul is dropping in the polls now too.
I was just watching Obummer telling the CBC to get out of their ‘bedroom slippers’ and to ‘march’ for him…! Where was his ‘comfortable shoes’, in Madison recently…? *gah*
You don’t know jack shit.
Sorry, but you must have abused wife syndrome – ready to take that next hit because you know he really loves you. I can’t and won’t.
Hostile, too.
That’s exactly what codependent enablers would say about their abusers
The problem for me….just on a personal level….is that I don’t think I can ever trust Obama. The problem for me….just on a personal level….is that I think I could trust any of the idiot Republican candidates, but what I trust them to do is not what I personally want to see happen to my country.
Good column, except you’ve mistaken the symptom for the result. Obama’s problem is that he hates everyone but himself and the elite. The symptom is how he governs, and thus why his ratings are crashing.
Most of the folks on this blog are Obama voters. Red staters are not welcome. So, you’re 0 for 2.
This is I think definitely an Obama campaign tactic, to try to shame liberals into supporting him. I find it outrageous and am disappointed in Melissa H-P for buying into it.
While it is true that the effect of turning off the Obama campaign makes Republican chances better, and the likelihood of even worse policies greater, it is also true that our politics is a closed system from which the interests of the overwhelming majority of Americans are excluded. The reasonable response to such a structure is to expand the scope of the conflict outside the ballot box, because ultimately what we have now is not a democracy.
Actually, lonely Dems trapped in red states are not only welcome, they’re in abundance here.
And we welcome right-leaning red staters searching for facts — and thus possible conversion to truth, justice, and the real American way.
Jon
Ding! In fact there is no one out there with any coherent philosophy of governance that I have seen..
Obama’s got lots of problems. He has made one pivot too many, to say the least. It is hard, no impossible, to trust him.
Geezuz your ignorance is blinding
Did you click on the link? The person who wrote that, wrote an even more in-depth list on Bush
Cognitive dissonance doesn’t even come close to explaining the derivation of your comments
Flying by the seat of your pants may work in some jobs but not for the President. He’s incompetent.
I, too, was seriously disappointed (even annoyed, maybe even maddened!) by Melissa Harris-Perry’s racist column. I know that there are many people who do not like her — at all. I didn’t feel that way, but I really did NOT think her thoughts were worthy of her. I only read the first 50 comments back to her, and I think they were more intelligent than her column. Hope she’ll get back on track.
I’m using the second definition of red stater given on Urban Dictionary:
I’m not sure when it was (it may have been in an interview on Chris Mathews show) but Melissa H-P lost me – - totally. I just tune her out now.
Did they vote with the fascists on kicking in a door on suspicion of a crime without a warrant ?
bush boys vote in a block every time.
By my reckoning every elected government in the Western world is unpopular with perhaps the exception of Australia. Well and Canada where nobody cares.
Since every Western government is responding only to entrenched institutional power especially financial/corporate. Governments are no longer responsive to the people except to the extent they respond to reactionary populists but in those cases only at the margin of hot button social issues.
No right populist will be elected president. It won’t happen. For they are loose cannons.
Sorry, here’s the link.
Or I’d rephrase it to say, BO is all about BO. He has been groomed and therefore only sees others serving his interest. He is very narcissistic.
Heck, he’d probabaly throw Michelle under the bus if he could gain something that would elevate his stature!
Good post Jon. Though you neglected to include falling poll numbers among African-Americans, I think I understand why you wrote your piece that way.
Dearie – we seen to be on the same page today.
We seem to keep reading that this is the only place that says the truth, but I find that when I shamefully watch msnbc, I see information that is against what some of the commenters here say.
For example, Al Sharpton has not been kicked off.
On Edit: Gosh, that sounded wrong. Most of what I read written by the authors here is usally right on. I meant that some of the comments are questionable in their accuracy.
Crazy comments today. From my pov, but I certainly wasn’t here all day. Just saying the times that I came and looked.
People here say all kinds of stuff. Not all of it is in fact true.
Must keep our Good Listening ears on.
They are scheming to give three trillion to the banks over in Europe but the IMF and the rest of the fucks insist on austerity for the people and esp greece.
There is NOTHING that Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi did after Obama entered the White House that wasn’t at the direction of the White House. It’s all Obama-sanctioned.
When you’re the president, you are the head of your political party. When your political party controls both Houses of Congress and the White House, you do what the head of your party tells you to do. Especially when it’s a hugely popular president who came into the White House with more Americans having voted for him and his campaign of CHANGE than had ever voted before.
That’s ‘Titanium’ political capital, and Obama came into office oozing it. So much that the GOP was in a puddle in the gutter outside of the US Capitol. Is that really a vague memory? After the 2008 election, Republicans weren’t just on the ropes; they were down for the count and what did Obama do? He issued them a pardon.
Democrats like to hide the ‘hierarchy of party control and power’ from voters, and lend the illusion of democracy (small ‘d’), like “herding cats”, “no organized party”, etc., but that’s how it is, and it’s the only reason there are political parties.
Obama never pressured Ben Nelson (or Blanche Lincoln, or any Blue Dog). The Democratic leadership could’ve taken away committee chairs (Blanche Lincoln’s, too) of members in their caucus that filibuster ed a PublicOption for healthcare. They didn’t.
The DNC could’ve taken away reelection funds. They didn’t.
Reid could’ve actually forced Republicans and turncoat Democratic senators to filibuster. He didn’t (and doesn’t).
The Progressive Caucus could have kept their pledge about not voting for a bill that didn’t include a robust public option. They didn’t.
Obama did unleash the attack dogs to go after Howard Dean when Dean said it was a lousy bill. Dean was then forced to get back into line. Obama went after Kucinich, the last remaining holdout on the Progressive Caucus, for threatening to vote no on the healthcare bill, and we all know how that ended.
There is nothing that Lieberman (or Nelson or Lincoln) did that Obama hasn’t ordered. Obama and the DLC-Democrats want Lieberman there, doing what he’s doing, which is to take the heat off of Democrats for delivering to their corporate masters.
And the proof of this is that when Obama needed Nelson re: Stupak Amendment, he ‘bought’ his support. That’s what Obama could’ve done for Nelson’s or Lincoln’s vote at any time, on any legislation.
There could be 100 “progressives” in the Senate and 435 in the House, and they and Obama would still find a way to deliver to corporations instead of the People and blame it on Republicans. Because they’re DLC, aka Republicans-in-Democrats’-clothing.
What’s more, Obama and the DLC worked their butts off to PREVENT more progressives/liberals from getting elected. Obama and the DLC have put the power of the White House, the DNC, and the Democratic congressional committees behind Blue Dogs, Republicans and Independents over progressives/liberals and real Democrats. Some, but not all, examples:
Blue Dog Blanche Lincoln over progressive Democrat Lt. Governor Bill Halter .
Republican-turned-Independent Arlen Specter over progressive Democrat Joe Sestak.
Republican-turned-Independent Lincoln Chaffee over Democrat Frank Caprio (which, in turn, was an effective endorsement of the Republican John Loughlin over Democrat David Cicilline for the congressional seat Democrat Patrick Kennedy retired from, and all of the other seats up for grab in Rhode Island).
Republican-turned-Independent Charlie Crist over liberal Democrat Kendrick Meek.
Republicans, with the smallest minority, have managed to thwart Democrats, who’ve had the greatest majority in decades. You would think that with Republicans controlling the House, Democrats would’ve turned the tables and thwarted Republicans’ continuing legislation like Bush’s tax cuts for the rich, but they didn’t. Are Democrats just stupid?
Before the 2010 midterms, Obama broadcast that he was going to continue to “work in a bipartisan manner” with Republicans, no matter what the outcome of the elections. Whether Democrats gained seats or lost control of the Congress. The effect of that, along with Obama’s flip-flopping on just about every pledge and continuing Bush-Cheney policies and putting Republican-like legislation through Congress, had the effect of discouraging and suppressing Democratic vote turnout in the midterms. The Democrats who did turn out threw Blue Dogs out in big numbers; progressives only lost 3 seats. Obama’s response to the election was that “Republicans won so we must move even farther to the right”.
Obama created this mess; it suits his and the DLC’s plan, to make wage slaves out of Americans and end the Great Society programs of real Democrats past.
I think it might be better described as one of the only places where truth makes a difference.
Exactly.
He chose , on day one , to continue and expand the bush war crimes becoming a war criminal that day .
eric is also a war criminal by not charging dick with torture crimes, he admitted to, that’s why o chose him.
Looking forward ( to committing even more egregious crimes targeting Americans on his say so) left the criminals bankers and war criminals to waller in their filthy lucre and free to commit more crimes against the 99% .
My take, he’s a megalomanic coward .
I would have to agree. I did edit my comment, tho.
The truth makes a difference if people are listening with open minds, too, however. Crazy day.
“Redwood Eagle 2″ — Rahm Emanuel’s new nom de plume? Sorry Rahm, progressives like me held our noses and voted as we always do. It was all the young people, new voters and independents who were turned off by 2 years of corporate a**kissing and business as usual who didn’t show up. And you didn’t do jack with a Democratic Congress, in case you didn’t notice.
P.S. Thanks for Harold Ford.
Good commentary. and then I suppose he wonders why people are fed up with him.
Did everyone get the letter from Jim Messina today trying to “guilt” you into donating? I did and sent a reply that basically said “you’ve got to be kidding.”
For example, Al Sharpton has not been kicked off. I truly mourn Cenk’s demise…!
Yep! Everytime anyone is tempted to believe Obama, just remember all the high fiving and celebrating Obama and his merry band did when Blanche Lincoln (“boo hoo, Blanche won’t let us have a public option”) beat Bill Halter.
I got it, but just deleted it. Good for you for responding.
Hi ya, Twain.
Since you mention “demise” let’s just say that Cenk has gone to a better place. :)
It’s too bad. Yes, he and Keith are there, but not as big an audience.
Cenk does rawk!
Hi ya, Demi. Is your leg all healed? And are you having really cool weather yet? We are.
The governments have just about all been following the right wing conservative economics model of contraction, liquidation and privatization. It doesn’t work. It’s really going to take a lot to turn all that around. It may get a lot worse. I thought we had a chance because of the size of our economy when Obama was elected to begin that process. Unfortunately the fool just hired the bunch that continues on.
Amen.
You’re welcome, mate! And you can thank us again when we stay home again next year.
Awesome take down of both Obama and Redwood Eagle.
See Dharma works…! ;-)
Don’t leave out jacking up the wars instead of winding them down.
Pretty much healed, thanks for asking. I marched in a Food Protest last week downtown LA, so I’m up and about. Yes, the weather is loverly. Just got a bit warm in the late afternoon. I’ll take it. :)
Funny, I said the same thing, word for word.
Yup, the Republicans are horrible So why has Obama spent the last two years bending over for them?
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Damn, you are so right on you knocked that out the park.
the list could go on and on, but that is a big one!
Oh yeah, I got the letter.
And here was my response:
Great letter!
Obama is the one who wants to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade.
Please tell us what makes OBAMA a better human being than Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin?
Obama helped the rich keep the Bush Tax Cuts?
Obama gave Wall Street Banks 16 trillion dollars! for LOL
and Obama wants to cut 3 trillion dollars that helps the poor
“GAO Audit Reveals Fed Loaned $16 Trillion to Banks – Ricochet.com
Its interesting how the Fed can introduce $16 trillion into the … Fed Loaned $16 Trillion to Banks. … the Fed, particularly the Austrian school, give …
ricochet.com/main-feed/GAO-Audit-Reveals-Fed-Loaned-16-Trillion-to-Banks ”
Carleton? Obama wants to give USA citizens 450 billion dollars? are you a banker?
A lot of us at FDL think the 16 trillion given to banks, should have been used to re-build the USA!
Again I ask you? what makes OBAMA a better human being than Rick Perry?
Let’s be realistic. He does have a lot of problems, but would you stay home if Rick Perry, Romney, Huntsman (or even their savior Chris Christy) was the GOP nominee.
Obama’s real mistake was he tried medical insurance then going after jobs. That was possibly due to his fantasy via Sumners, Geitner and others. They are the ones who screwed with the Wall Street crowd and where did it get us – 7,000+ to 10,000 DOW. Now that big money is not supporting him as they thought.
He may win or lose, I cannot project at this time, but we will all lose if we get a GOP. I can state that infatically because of my Governor, Waker. And he is not much better then most of the GOP Governors. Look at the disaster in FL, NJ, OH, IN, PA, forgetting the other southern states like SC.
Demi, go retrieve that letter from your “trash” and let them know how you feel.
It’s fun.
Before the 2010 midterms, Obama broadcast that he would be doing more of the same, even if Democrats remained the majority and in control of both Houses of Congress. More caving by Obama and Democrats, to Republicans:
This after Republicans couldn’t have been clearer, from even before Obama got into the White House, that they had no intention of working with him or Democrats.
I pose this question to every fawning Obamabot who defends “working in a bipartisan manner”:
What did you imagine that would actually look like? How would that work? Did you put your elected Democratic representatives into office to effect Republican legislation? Do you think that Republican voters put their elected representatives into office to get Democratic legislation?
Just like when we all vote and the candidate with the greatest votes wins, that’s how Congress is set up. By votes. And those with the power and ability to ‘buy’ the votes gets them. When Obama needed Blue Dogs’ votes, like Ben Nelson’s and Mary Landrieu’s, he bought them. When Harry Reid wanted to break a Republican threat to filibuster, he called their bluff and they folded (Jim Bunning’s threat to filibuster extending unemployment benefits). When it’s something that Obama and the Democrats want, they know how to get it.
Bipartisanship is a sweet notion, but I didn’t put Democrats into office to make friends and have a pleasant workplace. I voted for them to represent my interests and I don’t care how they get that done.
The problem is that the disaster is already here – and done by a Democrat and a Democratic Congress.
Thanks.
I’m just so disgusted with the revisionist history.
Red staters are too welcome, they just don’t stick around long. The easily led and willfully ignorant don’t do well in the heat of the kitchen.
And Tom Daschle is certainly the one I would take advice from. s/
*zing* Mahaloes, MM…! ;-)
No, I’m not staying home. I’m not staying home regardless as I personally feel voting is a responsibility. However, that doesn’t mean I have to vote for Obama. As Mauimom pointed out, there are other options. They’re called 3rd parties.
I suppose it helps to ease your doubts about Obama to blame everything that has happened under his governance on other people (Geithner et al), but do you really believe it deep down? Obama is, as our previous less-than-illustrious president informed us, “the decider.” To him accrues all the credit and the blame. Unless you’re a one-percenter (and I’m sure not), it looks like blame is what he has coming to him.
Bravo. Well said.
what makes OBAMA a better human being than Rick Perry, Mitt Romney?
you do know, OBAMA is the one who wanted to kill Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade
you do know OBAMA gave the banks 16 trillion of your dollars?
and Obama wants to cut 3 trillion dollars from programs that help avg americans
“just in the USA does not have a debt problem! poor nations don’t give banks 16 trillion dollars and fight multiple wars!”
Again we asked you? what makes OBAMA a better human being than Rick Perry?
Well jrubin, I invite you to take another look at those states you’ve listed. Yes, they may have disastrous Republican governors/legislatures BUT they also have growing opposition and push-back from Democrats.
Obama continues on his merry way, pursuing Republican policies and destroying Democratic ideals, trashing the Democratic “brand,” and what do we get? Crickets. I don’t think it’s far-fetched to believe that there are threats from Obama & the DNC directed at any Dems who might want to speak up.
I’ll never vote for a Republican presidential candidate, but I will NOT vote for Obama and condone his policies and his cynical “where else can they go” approach.
I’ll go to the polls, vote for good down-ticket Democrats, and vote for the best Third Party candidate I can find. I want Obama and the DNC to look at the election results and see a column of votes that they COULD have had if they’d only acted as Democrats.
If that results in a Republican president, it’s Obama’s fault, not mine. That stupid attempted guilt-tripping does not work on me.
Be ready to copy & paste to the election.
The silence must be really something at the main headquarters for Obama. I wonder who’s going to take the fall for this mess? Maybe old Axe will have to walk the plank.
Two most excellent comments.
My only nitpick would be that the DLC has, for all practical purposes, been replaced by Third Way, even more neoliberal than the DLC and packed with Clintonistas.
*heh* You being one of the most persistent cusses, to cross the mason-dixon line eh, SD…? ;-)
Well, let’s see what happens. In the meantime I am contributing to people I believe in: a county commissioner, a legislator running for the US Congress and now Elizabeth Warren. So I am not down. I want Barry to prove me wrong.
I wish we could get some “mole” to give us an accurate picture of what kind of response they’re getting to these feeble pleas for support.
The only glimpse I’ve been able to see is the NYT article about support “falling off” among former Obama supporters, including a mention that “a vast majority of Mr. Obama’s past donors, who number close to four million, have not yet given him any money at all.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/25/us/politics/small-donors-slow-to-return-to-obama-fold.html?hp
“Let’s be realistic. He does have a lot of problems, but would you stay home if Rick Perry, Romney, Huntsman (or even their savior Chris Christy) was the GOP nominee?”
I’ve been hearing that one since Humphrey. Look where it’s got us.
It is one of our purposes here to educate those in the wilderness, no? *g*
Would love to hear the conversations (rants) that are going on. I think they are in panic mode.
Exactly. We get this scare tactic every election cycle. It’s to the point now that I don’t care if the devil himself was the repug nominee.
“a vast majority of Mr. Obama’s past donors, who number close to four million, have not yet given him any money at all.”
That’s exactly why Obummer has to tack even harder to the Right, who else will pony up the necessary $1 billion or so, ‘warchest’…?
FEC data is the most reliable. This is just a summary but you can go further into the site down to a list of names of individual donors.
Here is Gallup’s most recent polling.
Obama’s approval rating is at 41%. Among Democrats it is at 78%. African American approval is at 88%. Republican approval is 7%.
I think he was VP in 2000 & ’04
It’s too bad they don’t have additional tracking, so they could add
Oldgold read what OBAMA bosses have plan?
Speaking to the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) this morning, independent stock trader Alessio Rastani predicted that a European market crash is imminent and many investors know it.
“This problem cannot be solved,” he said. “I’m fairly confident that the Euro is going to crash, and it’s going to fall pretty hard.”
Rastani added: “Personally, I’ve been dreaming of this moment for three years. I have a confession, which is, I go to bed every night and I dream of another recession. I dream of another moment like this. Why? Because people don’t seem to really remember. The depression in the 30′s wasn’t just about a market crash. There were some people who were prepared to make money from that crash. I think anybody can do that.”
“What I would say to everybody is, get prepared. It’s not the time right now to, wishfully thinking the government’s going to sort things out. The governments don’t rule the world. Goldman Sachs rules the world. Goldman Sachs does not care about this rescue package, neither does the big funds.”
“In less than 12 months, my prediction is, the savings of millions of people is going to vanish. And this is just the beginning.”
This video is from the BBC, broadcast Monday, Sept. 26, 2011.
http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/2011/09/stock-trader-europe-will-collapse-because-goldman-sachs-rules-the-world/
Oldgold? does OBAMA care about any of US? does he?
Sounds like OBAMA is going to let Goldman Sachs shit on all of us!!!
Obama gave the Wall Street Banks 16 trillion
Obama wants to cut 3 trillion from programs that help Americans
Oldgold tell us what makes Obama a better person than Rick Perry?
Waiting?
Expletives added…! ;-)
Stand by for a press release from the WH stating they understand the economy’s in the shitter and that working people don’t have the dust to give to political campaigns. And that the WH is doing all it can to create American jobs in China, Indonesia, Viet Nam and Mog Mog.
Have you been reading all the Honolulu papers claims that Abercrombie is acting like a little Czar…?
Missouri, re your reply to jrubin:
This is one thing that makes me particularly insane about Obama [and his apologists]: it’s never his fault. He’s always a victim. Poor, poor baby.
I’ve raised kids who are now young, responsible adults. I never let them get away with this weaseling attempted evasion of responsibility.
As they say in sports, “man up.” Stand for something. Fight for something. Take the consequences of your actions [or inactions].
I think this is why so many Americans have turned away from Obama: he stands for nothing. He won’t risk anything. All he cares about is himself.
How are things on the island?
*heh* Mog Mog… That’s a new on me…! ;-)
Naw, all I have is the crapped out Maui News.
Old expression. Think I picked it up in the Navy. Means way the fuck out in nowhere.
Caught a great concert in sleepy old Hilo town, Sat. nite…! The wee one is almost a month old, and, we’re all holding are own…! *g*
I have news for Mr. Carlton and others. The RETARDED ANGRY HARD LEFTISTS do not stay home during elections. These lefties ALWAYS vote.
Sorry to disappoint you vote suppressors. That would include Tim Kaine, who the President kept on for six months after suppressing young voters during the disasterous 2010 elections.
But it seems the sycophants are now on a daily Fatwa against hippies and other riff raff. Oh yes, there are not enough racist teabaggers to bash. So the Presidents supporters bash Rep. Maxine Waters and Emmanuel Cleaver.
Of course why would the President bash Teabaggers when he wants to make a Grand Satan Sandwich Bargain with them. Just like Ronbo Reagan.
Bum-f*ck Egypt, always worked for moi…! ;-)
Cool!
That baby is ADORABLE!!! And mom is quite attractive too.
How lucky you are!
I dunno. Did you see that KO “uninvited” Joe McGinniss? I’d like to know why.
Mog Mog is further out and to the right.
I was wondering when someone was going to drop this little across-the-board truth-turd into the “centrist” chiffon congeal. :o)
That it was an FDL threader, is a source of pride to me. :o)
He hasn’t governed well. But it’s also that he hasn’t even defined the problem and charted a course out.
He says “We didn’t get into this hole quickly, we won’t ge out of it quickly.” A lot. But the logical extension of that statement is to say what needs to be done to get out of the hole. And “whatever comes out of the Senate” isn’t and wasn’t an acceptable answer.
The fact that the economy is going to be this crummy for ordinary people for a long time is depressing enough, but people might be (or might have been, at any rate) inclined to accept it if he had ever defined what got the USA into the mess (30 years of the Republican agenda) and said what needed to be done to get out of it.
Of course, people arent going to accept it now, because for 3 years he’s said that he’s doing what needs to be done, and what needs to be done is apparently raising the Medicare age, cuts to Social Security, and tax cuts and tax credits.
But he just blunders on passing the Republican health care plan, the Republican debt ceiling deal, and so on. The problem being Republican policies, that’s not going to get people out of the hole.
Why thank ya very much, Ma’am…! *g*
Edit: Here’s about a half hour after he was born…
Same old questions, oldgold:
When, where, and by whom, was the poll taken?
78% approval by democrats?
Who are you (and gallup) shitting?
What Mauimom said. :o)
Gallup certainly doesn’t have much cred and Rasmussen is openly laughed at here.
I’ve just mostly used BFE (Bum F*ck Egypt)….pretty common around these parts.
Well, I’m weird. What can I say? *g*
Use BFE on Twitter and you could drive a lot of people over the edge tryin’ to figger out what it means.
LOL. I didn’t see your comment until after I posted #124.
Thank God he torpedoed all hope of good legislation in order to reach out to Republicans for 3 years as they kept spitting in his face. If he hadn’t done that, Republican approval might be 6% and he’d be in really bad shape for re-election.
“the rapture of Rick Perry’s presidency…”
And Carleton grabs the big ju-ju asshat feardoll and shakes it at us.
No, Carleton that won’t work.
Hell, “The republicans are even worse!” wouldn’t even work with across-the-board voters in the mid-terms. Do you guys seriously think you can scare pissed off progressives into holding still for another 4 years of hosing?
heh
Happens all the time…! Great minds and all…! ;-)
I have not yet ventured into the twitter. I have an account I’ve never used. After I registered, I had a bunch of porn “followers” but then those went away. I don’t need one single more thing to keep me online, where I spend far too much time.
But “mog mog”? I have *never* heard that one.
Let’s flip it around:
Only 22% disapproval from democrats? Jesus, we ARE fucked. :o)
Or, I could have said:
“If that’s true, we ARE “fucking retards”. :o)
I gave a sweet young thing caller from OFA a piece of my mind about Obama the other day. Ended by telling her to take me off her list. She sorta gulped and said, “OK.” I later wished I had tried to engage her in conversation instead of a rant, but too late now…
OK pups I am fading. Have a good night, all.
Never considered signing up for Twitter. I don’t need to be virtually connected to some other two-legged every waking minute.
*heh* Your instincts kicked in, no fault…! ;-)
Sweet dreams, msmolly…!
Yeah, me too. School night and way past my bedtime.
Be good to yourselves, and all other living things
Namaste
Never. Give. Up.
“…and have told him to fuck off, delete their names, and never bother them again.”
Mauimom; on fire! :o)
Pleasant dreams, SD…!
“So the president’s supporters bash Maxine Waters and Emmanuel Cleaver.”
They’re racists. :o)
Bye-bye, Mr. One-and-Done. Welcome to the bottom tier of failed presidents.
We need to make and example out of our dear brother President Obama by denying him and allot of those Corporate Democrats a second term in office. So lets not reward bad behavior by voting for there lying sacks of weasel dust. I thought we got rid of terrorist THREAT COLOR CODE SYSTEM. I guess the threat level will go from yellow to red by election time because they think those terrorist republicans might have a chance at the presidency.
Tom Daschle, Mr. Pre-Emptive Concessions. May he burn in political Hell.
This:
is such nonsense. Where is the data that shows that “disappointed Progressives” stayed home from the polls last year? Their isn’t any because we voted. The folks that didn’t vote are the occasional voters that Obama disappointed in droves.
Are you from TPV?
Obama never told his base to stop crying. His real base are banksters and speculators on Wall St. The have-mores who got $ 16 trillion.
This poll is in line with other scientific polls.
That wasn’t what I asked.
What I asked was:
Who took the poll?
When was it taken?
Where was it taken?
Until you can answer that, every time you put up a number that says that only 22% of democrats disapprove of Obama’s job as president, I’m sorry, I’m going to call bullshit.
Incidentally, we just lost a seat in the Queens district of New York that democrats have held since 1923. Do you think that 78% of the democrats there (with that 3-1 edge in registered voters) approve of the job he’s doing?
If Obama pivot again he might meet the other Obama.
I gave the link. The information you seek is there.
Poll after poll for months have said roughly the same thing.
I am surprised a person as intelligent as you is so adverse to accepting the findings of these polls.
Concerning Obama and the DLC: I’m not really sure where Obama stands relative to the DLC. There is rarely such a thing as a purely personal contest in politics–the personalities represent greater forces. The titanic 2008 primary struggle between Hillary Clinton and Obama was clearly more than a personal contest–each candidate represented two wings of the centrist Democrats. Hillary Clinton was a DLC candidate in the mode of her husband. If the DLC was a single entity that represented centrist Democrats, Clinton would have coasted to the nomination. But the centrist Democrats were divided. From whence did this division arise? One possibility is that the DLC became internally divided, with Hillary Clinton, who is slightly to the left of her husband, representing the more liberal DLC forces (which also include, for example, Al Gore) with Obama serving as the spokesperson for the more conservative DLC faction. Alternatively (and my conspiratorial self believes this to be the case), Obama may be the representative of an entirely different group which has not publicized itself, and has camouflaged itself within a DLC outer covering. This other group appears more joined at the hip to the MIC, to have closer institutional links to Republicans, to be more demagogic and anti-democratic, and to have the active support of certain powerful banking interests which financed Obama’s campaign from the outset. It is easy to know totally where Bill and Hillary Clinton are coming from politically. Obama is much more opaque, and I believe that is one of his most disturbing aspects.
What probably makes the 78% “approval” rating among Democrats look better than it is, is that it doesn’t factor in how many fewer people term themselves “Democrats”. I don’t have a reference onhand, but I’ve definitely read numerous places that that number has plummeted since 2008.
Thank you. I didn’t want to have to say this, since I’m a dues-paying-FDL-promoting member from a Red State. Remember, you guys from BlueLand: There are progressives in Red States, too!
Notice how President Obama, even when “lashing” out at Congress, never gets specific about who is blocking his proposals or his appointments or working to sabotage anything he’s trying to do as president, just lumping everyone in Congress together, Republicans and Democrats, calling out “Congress” while not getting too specific or personal?
What good is wielding a “bully pulpit” if one doesn’t think or act like a bully, or specifically call out those people from the “bully pulpit” who are responsible for nearly crashing the U.S. and world economies in 2008 and seem to be hell-bent on finishing the job now before the 2012 elections?
On the other hand, the Republicans seem to have being bullies down pat, whether with or without a pulpit.
In the past 2,500 years of recorded history, the term “11-dimensional chess” never was used until Obama.
Nor has any other leader so exulted his own opposition at the very expense of his own supporters.
We have witnessed a novel approach to government – not based upon any evidence, unsupported by any reason, untested by any experience, aimed toward no goal, and serving no purpose.
It’s a real island in the Ulithi atoll. The atoll was a huge naval base in WWII. In WWII Mog Mog was set aside as a “recreation” island, but I doubt there was much to do there.
He couldn’t do jack WITH a Democratic congress. Please… the most “powerful man in the world” is incapable of getting anything he wants.
right…
mmm hmmm.
We elected Obama President. We got him a majority in both houses. Why, because of the horrible deadly health care system he promised to “change”. Then he struck backroom deals and had people arrested that believed in his “campaign rhetoric”. I’ll never vote for him again.
Obama’s court just ruled that the state can execute an innocent man. I think we’ve gone about as far as we can go.
Time for a reset.
Sign me,
TAX THE RICH.
Yep. My sentiments, exactly.
The financial industry, led by Lehman, Goldman, Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, and Bear Stearns, tanked the American economy, the rich have had 35 years of enriching themselves at the expense of the working class, and all we can do is talk about Obama.
The President may well be gone after this election. Good. What then? I’m not voting for him or for any conservative administration, but we need to face facts. The problem isn’t in the White House or even in Congress. It’s in the halls of power of the countries largest corporations. They’re the folks who have been running the show, as the two parties continue their dance of switching control over the various branches of government on the federal and state levels.
An obsession on Presidential politics leads to debacles like 2000. The disaster wasn’t the Nader campaign supposedly throwing the election (which in any case, is nonsense, since of course it was stolen in a Republican-led coup). The tragedy was how that campaign and the Green Party weren’t made the foundation for a progressive movement to continue through the rest of the decade to build power on the local and state level, and eventually, into the halls of Congress. We may have another chance. Let’s not blow it by focusing all our ire on the President, which in a sense, gives the man too much credit. Obama is a weak President and doesn’t deserve that level of respect. When he’s gone, whether in this election, or after he completes a second term, our battle remains the same. Keep your eyes on the prize.
Regarding LacewellHarrisPerry whatever’s execrable piece in The Nation, David Sirota has written an excellent response at Salon.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/barack_obama/index.html?story=/news/david_sirota/2011/09/26/white_liberals_obama
“For being a meager 2% of the demography, they [Jews] do make up, at least 50%, of all political contributions…! Think AIPAC, kiddoos…! 8-(”
Is your saying 50% some sort of a joke? If not, please substantiate.
Fantastic post!!! Thank you.
You mean he’s a lying asshole who doesn’t know what the fuck he’s doing.
Maybe Obama thinks that if we’re all under the bus then we’ll just carry him into the white house. It’s a tough economy and he just wants to save on fuel.
It seems to me that the President himself has made the very same argument that’s put forth in the Jon’s post – and on more than one occasion.
In fact, if you give the President’s speech to the Congressional Black Caucus (his “off script” remarks too!) a close listen (or read) you’ll hear a certain panic (layer over palpable anger and flustered disbelief) in his tone and word choice. Obama’s clearly pissed he has to actually run and run hard – even at a time when elections past suggest that the incumbent can and should “lay back” and allow the GOP’s primary process to inflict it own form of political damage on the crops of hopeful contenders. However, the state of the economy demands that the President “get involved” in the campaign now. The panic he’s telegraphing is conditioned by the all too plain truths of the electorate’s mood, cross-demographic drift of political expectations and the unavoidable reality of raising a $1+ billion war chest while you still have a day job.
The anger and sense of flustered disbelief that hangs on the President’s frame like a dirty over-coat arises, I suspect, from within the man himself. Every time he encounters new news or new data about the economy or the electorate he is also reminded of his own words, his own prediction of sorts, when describing the size and import of the job, 10 days into it, to Matt Lauer in 2009.
To my mind, the fact that Obama felt it necessary – nay, compulsory!! – to lambaste the audience during his speech to the CBC speaks volumes about his own fears about his electability and – more importantly – the man’s obvious disconnect from the populace and in particular those who worked the hardest and donated small but regular sums (from paychecks that weren’t and haven’t yet gotten any bigger) in support of his 2008 campaign. The President’s shrill tone peaked when he complained that the CBC and their constituents weren’t working hard enough and that they need to – essentially – shut-up and buckle-down. Does the President really misunderstand the state of employment and opportunity for the African-American community so deeply that he doesn’t understand what an unemployment rate of 17% actually means??
Or does he care more about his job than theirs and ours?
Is it possible, or probable, that in making his comments about the future of his Presidency to Matt Lauer, the President was fibbing in that he was portraying a false modesty aimed not at “the job” or his prospects but at the portent or not feeling the need to be “audacious” in service of hope in the wake to his victory at the ballot-box and in pushing the Bushies to aid the banksters (and thereby course correct the economy – as his own EconoGurus Summers, Geithner, Romer and others suggested).
Please do give these thoughts some thought of your own. As you do, be alert for new bouts of “hippy-punching” coming from 1600 PA Ave. Don’t worry, you won’t have to wait long or remain at a level of alertness for too long. Hippy-punching is now a well-practiced reflex among payrolled O-bots and their cheerleaders in the press.
PS – has anyone FAX’ed a copy of the transcript of the President’s hissy-fit to Tulane yet?
My thoughts on Obama exactly.
So you’ll go to the voting booth and vote for the gutting of Social Security and Medicare – just because your a loyal Zerobot? Please stay home for the sake of working people everywhere.
Ditto. My belief is that if Romney or one of them becomes prez, when the issues of entitlement come up, the bots will awake from their tribalism-induced stupor and join us in loudly protesting any cuts. If Obama wins, we can be sure they will be gutted.
Obama is going to lose big in 2012. The question is: will liberals go down to defeat with him or will they make a statement about a price to be paid for being a DINO, secret Republican president?
He couldn’t do jack for the people who voted for him when he had a super-majority in the Senate and a large majority in the House. It’s because he DIDN’T WANT TO. Quite being a fool and wise up!
What’s the difference between those guys and Obama other than Obama is in a position to do much more to further the Republican agenda? Promoting that agenda is exactly what he has been doing.
Oldgold?
Basically what you and others are saying is that a lot of Dems still don’t know the real OBAMA.
How many Dems are going to vote for OBAMA when they find out he came up with the idea of cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicade
How many Dems are going to vote for OBAMA when they find out he gave his buddies on Wall Street 16 trillion dollars, and told everyone else we have a debt problem?
Oldgold as more and more Dems find out how evil Obama is, I think his poll numbers will continue to decline, what do you think?
Old Gold Tell us all what makes Obama a better Human Being than Mitt Romney and Rick Perry?
Obama is owned by his Bankster and Corporate masters. He isn’t alone in this regard. Both parties eat from the same trough.
In 3 years he has done more for his masters than any Repug President could do.
Why is he so shrill about issues now??? Oh I forgot he is running for another 4 year Repug term.
I wish Elizabeth Warren would Primary Obama. She would make a great president
Since Obama has decided to go “Change You Can Believe in” 2.0 and “Yes We Can, It Takes Time,” I fear some naive idiots are going to fall for it again. So, instead of saying, “Enough of this shit. Neither party is going to help me. I’m joining the protesters outside.” They now can put their faith into a con artist who will most likely, unless he’s had a major change of heart, continue running the country like he has for the past 3 years once elected.
I have more faith that those outside Wall Street are going to lead to positive change than Obama, and the more support they get, the more things will change.
What was his problem before 2010 when he caved in to Big Pharmacy, caved on the public option, did nothing for jobs, reneged on his pledges on Guantanamo, etc., etc., etc. He expands wiretapping, supports torture. He has proven himself a liar. Why would anyone retain any faith in him. The Republicans are little more than vicious clowns but he placates them and has no credibility in opposition. That’s where we are.
Dear four Obama supporters:
Since for me the persuasion NOT to ever vote for this man again came four days into the administration when he dropped the first drone, let me explain to you what others have pointed out succinctly (they, not me. Can’t claim ever to be succinct.)
Thanks to this thread of comments a pertinent argument arises that I hadn’t seen before, a tweak to the history of the Kennedy years as we usually perceive them.
We know the October confrontation with Kruschev over Cuba turned out well for us and the world in general, and that the Bay of Pigs debacle did not.
Now, juxtapose that first drone strike on Obama’s watch. Had he been a Kennedy he could have responded as Kennedy did to the Bay of Pigs (admittedly a bigger scenario but I think the point holds). Kennedy fronted up that this going along with the military ‘experts’ had been a huge mistake. I think he pulled out all the stops admitting that. And everyone agreed; huge, huge mistake.
From then on, he was in charge. We didn’t have Bay of Pigs after Bay of Pigs – as we now have had drone after drone after drone.
Obama could have done that. He didn’t.
That’s the difference between what we thought we elected and what we got.
“We suck less.” Great motivating theme. How about, “The beatings will continue until morale improves.” You want to go out and make the phone calls that I made back in 2008? Go ahead. There are thousands of others just like me that are going to stay home, so you won’t suffer from a lack of work. Of course, you can continue to cuss us out, to blame us, but if we’re that important, why weren’t we listened to twenty months ago? Or you could say that it’s not Barack Obama’s fault, he got bad advice. Of course, he also got good advice.
The top three warning signs about Obama:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/17/AR2007041701688.html
Obama Top Fundraiser on Wall Street
By Kristin Jensen and Christine Harper
Bloomberg News
Wednesday, April 18, 2007
http://www.progressive.org/mag_wx011708
Has Obama Lost His Mind Over Reagan?
By Matthew Rothschild, January 17, 2008
In an interview on January 14 with the Reno Gazette-Journal, Barack Obama went out of his way to praise Ronald Reagan.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/15/AR2009011504114.html
Obama Pledges Entitlement Reform
President-Elect Says He’ll Reshape Social Security, Medicare Programs
By Michael D. Shear
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 16, 2009
President-elect Barack Obama pledged yesterday to shape a new Social Security and Medicare “bargain” with the American people, saying that the nation’s long-term economic recovery cannot be attained unless the government finally gets control over its most costly entitlement programs.
thats because he foolishly went after healthcare reform and screwed it up. If he had used the democratic majority in congress to repeal the Bush tax cuts and pass a real stimulus package, unemployment would have started to come down by Nov 2010 and the base would have come out to vote.
He wanted to resod the lawn when the house was on fire. A Harvard-trained world-class idiot who should have taken Management 101 at Podunk Community College instead.
“He can’t do jack without congress…”
I agree, and if he runs again, he’ll have even less of congress.
Oh; did I mention that he damn sure didn’t do jack WITH them?
I think you’re right as can be. In fact, all he really needed to do was fight the assholes. He didn’t need to win every legislative battle; just fight the good fight. Run REAL reform bills up to the hill and dare the republicans to filibuster them.
In a matter of weeks, the the GOP’s opposition would have collapsed and Obama would have been Captain America…off and winging.
Instead, we get total rehab on the republicans and what is probably the quickest and most catastrophic reversal of a big win, in our history.
Anyone who thinks Obama deserves to be rewarded for that, is an idiot.
True that,ask me for a penny or my vote.
The Democratic Party has long since become America’s conservative party. Their theme is, ‘We may not look like much, but we’re the ones who aren’t crazy.’ Within the narrow limits of his party’s conservatism, Mr. O is probably doing the best he can, which is not very good in hard times. It’s only partly a technical problem of governance. The overall problem is that capitalism doesn’t work. The president is not allowed to address or even name this problem.
So Mr. O’s best hope is that in 2012 the Republicans will run a religious wack for president or vice president — another Palin. Ineffectual conservatism will probably seem more appealing to the electorate than faith-based nuttery. One hopes so, anyway.
I am surprised that a person so intelligent as you, insists on ignoring the questions I asked.
Polls are created by humans. The results can be skewed by subtle things such as the time of day they’re taken; where they’re taken; the precise wording of the questions, etc.
And, one more time, we just lost two house seats, one of them, democrats have a 3-1 edge in registration and had held it for nearly 9 decades.
Where was your and Gallup’s 78% approval from democrats when that happened?
You are also posting as if that “approval” from democrats is what really counts, when, in point of fact, Obama has lost a ton of support from independents.
Even budgeting for party identification from democrats, he’s up to his ears in political shit, and the chickens from his sustaining or strengthening so many of Bush’s worst policies, are only beginning to come home.
I cordially invite you to talk to us again in a few months, but by that time, I doubt we’ll be reading many posts from people who are defending Barack Obama.
This is TOO good:
David Axelrod says that “Obama faces a Titanic struggle for re-election.”
yahoo news AP http://is.gd/c2Z0tA
I think Obama’s people are getting so freak-out crazed that they don’t even understand language and it’s implications anymore.
For anyone who works for Obama, the word “Titanic” should be as verboten as appearing in front of the Daughters of the American Revolution and opening your speech with:
“Good to see all you motherfuckers!” :o)
Good point, Jon.
and yes he is down in the African-Americans community. Not sure I remember this correctly, but think I saw figures like was 83% and now 56%.
Good job, Axelrod.
Remember what the architect and the management said about the Titanic:
“The Titanic is as nearly perfect as human brains can make her.”
“There is no danger that Titanic will sink. The boat is unsinkable and nothing but inconvenience will be suffered by the passengers.”
“I thought her unsinkable and I based my opinion on the best expert advice.”
What are you talking about? Bammie’s done a bang up job… if you are a criminal bankster, wall st. parasite, oil company ghoul, war profiteer, etc.