Shocking. Is there any segment of the D Party that still supports O?

Most “young people” whom I know do not simply “believe” that Obama isn’t “doing a good job”, they are convinced he is doing a deliberately and intentionally very destructive BAD job.

Most of them no longer care about Obama’s “prospects”.

My question, Jon, is do you care about Obama’s prospects?

If you do, then might you explain why?

And please, do not insult my intelligence and patience by exclaiming how much “worse” the Republican challengers would be.

The “lesser” argument is weak, arrogant, foolish and useless.

The young people I know care deeply about this world and those who inhabit it. They ALL want to pitch-in and make the world a better place and they will be living in it far longer than you or I shall be doing.

Until and unless the Democrats evidence similar concern AND action backing such jawboned “concern” neither they nor Obama nor ANY apologists for the lesser weevil … will gain the ears or support of the young who see their futures being sacrificed on the altars of greed and senseless military destruction.

DW

I don’t know what you mean by “care” as it is my job to pay close attention to politics and policy debates clearly I “care” about what is happening.

I am not talking about reporting, Jon, that is your job, I am asking whether it is important to anyone but Obama and the Democratic party that neither have any substantial support, nor do they, given what they have done and not done, deserve much support?

What is the political need of the people, whom do they need to hear about in the upcoming elections?

Do the Democrats and Obama deserve the time devoted to them?

If substantial change is necessary, as I suspect both you and I consider that it is, then would not time devoted to actual alternatives and the understandings necessary to challenginmg the status quo also be useful?

Consider that I am asking you to consider whether the times demand simple reporting of the “mainstream” perspectives, however well or not well served by the emasculated fourth estate, or do these times demand something else, the words of those who might be like Tom Paine, perhaps those of Dan Choi? Where WILL new political leadership come from? HOw shall it be recognized? How shall knowledge of it be spread?

Is it really news, at this time to the readers of FDL, that Obam’s principle “support” is from the banking, the insurance, and the pharmaceutical interests? And not from the “base”, the hoi paloi, the young, the progressive, the “liberal”, the old, those of color, those of diverse and stigmatized ethnic heritage, whom Obama has consistently ignored, belittled, cursed, and emburdened?

Who do you imagine cares, really, about Obama’s fortunes when their own dreams, hopes, and such “fortunes” as they may possess are crushed and destroyed daily by Obama Inc.

Obama cannot even acknowledge what is occurring right in front of his own temporary abode.

What then, is the nature of your “caring”?

You are a card-carrying member, a paid member of the “professional left” are you not?

What do you, having paid such close attention to politics and policy “debates”, think it all means … what does any of it portend?

Do you consider that our political system is “compromised” by money, and that “policy” responds primarily to that money, do you see principle or conscience in the behavior of the Obama administration? Do you see purpose beyond continuing the same?

Or, are these questions simply beyond your purview?

We have a media quite compromised by money and the “interests” of the powerful, and it has, rightly, often been accused of mere stenography.

Is what is “happening”, quite understandably one imagines, to Obama the real story, or is it the less important result of something else? Something that is happening away from the failures of the political class?

How much do you imagine that politics and policy debates matter when they have become the problem, the excuse, the means of destroying civil society, unless they are seen in what must be perceived as a larger context?

These questions, Jon, are about basic assumptions, about underlying realities, that is what I am asking you to consider or ponder when I talk about “caring”.

If it matters that Obama’s support is falling, then why does it matter … and to whom?

Such analysis seems important to me, does it seem so to you?

DW

May I rec this comment, DW?

Och aye, wendy, should ye percieve any value to be found in it, as likely ’twill be unresponded to, rather like me wee query to DDay as by what means or method he considers nuclear power to, reasonably or properly, be named and described a “renewable resource”?

;~DW

Me too!

You are going to the heart of the issue. As always DW.*g*

BoA, Chase, GS, and Wall Street are his base.

I missed the nuclear power as a “renewable resource” debate.

Is it because it’s possible for spent nuclear fuel to be reprocessed into new fuel rods? Even though our government has decided not to.

You can answer your questions by reading Jon’s actual body of work over time instead just this post.

Correct forest. When your base is Wall Street, Big Energy, Big Pharma and War, Inc., you will have their support as long as they remain obscenely profitable.

If Obama details his cuts to bring the deficit in line, he could well put the last nail in his coffin, b/c as DD noted the thugs will use it against him from now until then. On the other hand, why not? He is such a non entity anyway. I am hoping though we can get control of congress, but then I have always been a dreamer. The next 5 years could be a bitch.

Good. He hasn’t stood up for Union/Working people. His jobs part of the stimulus was laughably too small. He hasn’t really stood of for the importance of rebuilding infrastructure. He pledged to march if Union rights were threatened and hasn’t lifted a finger.

Meanwhile, on the environmental front, we have no new regs on carbon from the EPA (can’t blame the GOP there), the kid glove treatment of BP during the spill, and now Tar Sands. No wonder the kids are leaving in droves.

Unfortunately, moderate democrats base their entire philosophy on misplaced assumptions about voter self-identification on political electability. They are not moored to any specific policy goals or programs. If they were, they wouldn’t be moderates. Hence, the only was to get them to see reason is to not vote for them.

The Republicans started doing this with their moderates about 25 years ago, and look how many are left. We should absolutely do likewise, especially since the progressive ideas are better economically and environmentally and morally and ethically.

What? Me worry? It’s all about independents, people! (sarcasm)

I support this line of questions as well.

Maybe journalist types try to avoid the type of thinking you are promoting, a more multi-dimensional approach to the story rather than what seems like a simply one dimensional reporting.

I’m unsure it is the fault of JW though. I could say the same about Amy Goodman when she reports something raw and without what I believe is a necessary context.

I like to believe it’s because true journalist types live by a different set of rules, my ignorance and all, but I really don’t know.

Either way, that is why I prefer the discussion nearly every time to whatever the raw story is.

As Obama proposes to increase the age of medicare and cut SS, I can almost hear him now: “Let me be clear…. “

Osterity is losing support everywhere.

The presididn’t is debasing himself.

I don’t mind opinion in reporting but I just want to know the facts more than anything. There is plenty of opinion here in the comments. And that is all you hear on tv these days.

From political wire:
“The White House sees in the models of Roosevelt and Reagan a path to victory.”

Yep, because we know how FDR and Reagan rolled over every time they were challenged.

What color is the sky in Obama’s world?

The reason I’ve lost hope in Obama is not the bad economy, it’s that he never misses an opportunity to genuflect to big business and to throw the middle class under the bus. He won’t get my vote next time.

6 months from now, he’ll be in the mid-to-low 30′s, across the board, and, with any luck, the democratic version of The Goldwater Firing Squad which gave Nixon HIS “heads up!”, will make the trip to the WH to tell Obama that he needs to take his wonderful bipartisan skills into the private sector.

BTW: good line, hotdog! :o)

If he forgot about austerity and started a fucking fight with them, esp Eric the Piss Ant, he might have a chance. But…

Yeah, he loves spreading Osterity around.

Chris Matthews Smells Racism in Declining Number of Whites Supporting Obama

His take:

Obama took 43% of the white vote in 2008. If he gets less than that in the next election, those who don’t vote for him are racist.

Kelly, Jon can and should answer those questions, himself.

None of us are above being questioned and none may be presumed, by themselves, or by anyone else, to be above answering honest and reasonable questions, unless we are to postulate that there is an elite group and a lesser group, here, at FDL Is that what you would have others infer?

You do not do yourself or FDL a service by appearing glib and superior, which is precisely what your response to me suggests.

I know that you perceive yourself, especially of late, to be on the “inside” of FDL and those of us who are mere “commenters” to be merely the “base” and “outside”.

Whereas, I consider the commenters to BE the essence of FDL.

Perhaps, you might ponder and consider what I have just put before you, on whether you agree with me or not regarding the value of those who comment?

Or perhaps, you consider my thoughts, my concerns, and my contributions, for such I view them, beneath your consideration, respect, or interest?

Jon can certainly speak for himself … or not. Both responses reveal.

My questions stand.

Let us see if others might agree with them?

DW

I am not sure he will get the Black vote. They could just stay home. Their unemployment is much higher than among whites.

Poll dancing, entertainment for the masses who believe our electoral system is authentic.

Dot; the economy sucks.

Obama is jawboning Maliki to get him to go for unlimited occupation, disguised as “advisers”…

He’s got more troops in Afghanistan than Bush ever did…

Every appointment he makes is based on the notion that what’s good for Wall Street and corporate amurka, is good for the american people…

John Boehner has his political balls in a mayo jar on his House office desk…

He’s fulfilled the republican wet dream of putting SS and medicare on the chopping block…

What’s your opinion?

The best thing that can happen to Obama is that Perry fires up the base. I don’t know about white males but Perry will fire up women, gay people non-christians and people of color.

Very, very good commentary. It would be interesting to read Jon’s response.

Is that why Gloria Steinhem is headlining a fundraiser with Michelle?

Obama doesn’t give a rat’s ass. He only cares about getting gobs of campaign $$$ so during the 2012 campaign he can buy enough air time to recreate his Hope & Change clown show. He figures that along with the idiocy of whatever GOP candidate runs will be enough to sleaze his way to 4 more years.

Gloria Steinham is a corporatist limo liberal. Like Hollyweird, they don’t care about the working class–only about their pet social issues.

HuffPo has a story saying he will ask Congress and the networks for time for a special address to Congress on jobs.

To borrow from his hero, Reagan, “There you go again”, thinking that a pretty speech will save your ass. The Presididn’t miscalculated terribly with the HCR bill, again with the extension of the (now) Obama tax cuts, and finally with the debt ceiling/Catfood II deal. The whole problem with the “they don’t have anywhere else to go” strategy is that it forgets that voters don’t have to go anywhere. They can just stay home.

I don’t care if it’s Perry/Palin, Perry/Bachmann, or Stalin/Mousselini, I’m not voting for Obama next time around. There are other options besides voting either D or R even in the presidential elections. Not voting doesn’t register my feelings about Obama. If I can vote for a party to the left of him, that does. If enough people do it, the message will be inescapable even to the MSM which likes to use every outcome to say “The voters are center right and this agenda is too far left.”

Just more evidence that so many young people are done with BO. Young peoples noses are not tolerant of the smell of sleaze.

Romney won’t be able to fire up the dem base like Perry will. He flip flops so much that no one knows what he stands for so people will stay home.

That would be a great thing, for Obama to be told by the money men and the party people that he needs to go. Not that we’d probably end up with a better candidate, but at least we wouldn’t have to deal with him anymore.

BO stinks.

I’d like a link to, or see a study done on, the backgrounds of candidates Emily’s List supports, as well as the other activities they do. Haven’t been interested enough to look for it. Certainly their activity has done nothing to support women’s equality. Guessing as you say they support female corp whore candidates.

(smile)

Excellent comments DW

as to renewable nuke its is mostly likely “Recyclable” as in the breeder reactors – but then the Sun is not renewable – in 5 billion years it is used up!

:-)

Perry will flip flop too, if he wants to get elected.

I don’t see how Romney is much different that OilyBomber, at least when it comes to the austerity push and national security. While the Wizard of O doesn’t come out and say he’s against unions and the working class, his destructive policies indicate he is. The Dims talk a good game but govern like Repubs. And…then there’s RomneyObamaCare. Clearly, they are twins–the program and the pols, that is!

Obama’s ace in the hole is for the GOP to nominate Perry, who would energize the Dem base. With a Romney in the WH things will only get worse quicker than they would with Obama.
I don’t believe that “things will get worse before they get better.”
Things will only worsen. Everyone will have to adjust to our second class status to the point that the yahoos you see on TV during the Olympics saying we’re number 1 start to chant we’re 23, we’re 23. Nothing wrong with that number.

This was entirely predictable when he threw ss and medicare cuts on the table during the debt ceiling crisis that he very much manufactured. Remember? … he was supposedly trying to make himself attractive to some sweet spot of independent voters that were going to be so enamored with his “bi-partisanship” and his attempts at deficit reduction that they were going to vote for him even though the actions he was taking were going to weaken an already weak economy … even though not one damn poll ever showed that would happen since the majority of voters in the democratic and republican parties as well as the alleged independents are against ss cuts.

Wake up!!! He’s purposely attacking his base and throwing ss and medicare cuts on the table was one of the best ways to do that. He doesn’t want to run … he wants to cash out now … but needs a reason (I’m unelectable!) to ease his way out of the 2012 elections and onto much bigger paydays with much less stress and responsibility.

Z

Sadly, when the President’s speech includes the topic of deficit reduction along with job creation, the D’s talk a barely passable game.

Zero’s base

http://harpers.org/media/image/blogs/misc/mydreamharpers.jpg

The deficit talk could take the dims and O down.

I can’t see that Osterity is deliberating sabotaging his chances in 2012. I think Barry is just plain stubborn–and politically stupid–and what’s worse a virulent right winger. And he’s weak as shit. Put all those together and he’s up the creek. He thought he could triangulate his way into office in 2012 like Slick Billy Clinton but Billy is a tad slicker and better versed at fooling the electorate. That’s Osterity’s main problem: his skills as a grifter and confidence man are sub par–or at least need work. Not even his advisers seem to be able to shine up this turd.

It will eclipe the jobs talk, but I suppose that is the grand design of the PTB.

Is there any segment of the D Party that still supports O?

Actually the Question is , Is there a segment of the Democratic Party Obama supports.

we supported him and he blew us off. I can see the Dems sweeping the Congress and the States but Obama losing.

just wait until he re-extends the Bush Tax cuts and deregulation demands.

I have learned so much from the people here, … but sometimes I think we all make the same mistakes as the willful ignorant – we see the world through our eyes alone.

1. O don’t care. It’s like caring about ants on an anthill in the yard. No one cares about them. That’s how irrelevant we are to him. Wall street IS hie Main street. Hello, Repubs??? That’s why there’s only one party, the Corporatist party, with two branches. We don’t count or matter to them. Saying otherwise is delusional. Except that booty-call every four years. And even then, that’s for padding. Both the 2000 and 2004 elections were farces and the end of Democracy.

2. Most people, ie. the majority don’t know shite about shite. SS? Medicare? People neither know nor care that he put them on the chopping block. Heck they probably don’t know why the debt ceiling fiasco was only kabuki. Like parrots, they mimic the corporate media trained monkeys.
People are not approving because of SS or Medicare. That’s an asinine and delusional idea and gives the willfully ignorant majority far too much credit. They disapprove, because like the morons they are, even they can see the consequence of these policies. They do not know or understand these policies nor do they want to understand. Like children they don’t want to think that hard. But even children can see when shite starts raining down on their heads. And even children will move out of the way. An adult would attempt to prevent the shite, ie. pro-active, but children are purely reactive.

It’s getting so bad that even the children are waking up. They don’t know why or the actual reasons for the shite, but they can smell it and feel it on their heads.

Metaphorical genius.

Things that are well-”known”:

Once presidents are elected to their first term, a desire to have a second term becomes embedded into their dna.

Therefore obama wants a second term and wants to be president while one of the worst periods of our nation’s history play out partly due to the odious policies he has helped to put into place … becoz he’s helpless, he’s been inflicted with the 2nd-term germ … OR he truly believes that massive public expenditure cuts are going to lead to a stronger economy and higher employment and the country will continue to join him in a celebration of his existence.

Even if the impossible was possible and obama didn’t want to run again, then he would simply announce on national tv that he was forsaking a second term to move on to better opportunities as a motivational speaker for the goldman sachs and petey petersons of the world.

These facts are well-”known” … never allow any thoughts to the contrary jiggle through your minds.

Z

This would be a great Bumper Sticker
Obama 2012-Only Independent Votes Wanted

Not sure if this is sarcasm or not.

Obama 2012 – Looking for a booty call with middle America.

Tamber’s right about Barry’s main problem. Back in the day, they used to call SS the third rail–touch it and you die (politically). Well, Oilbummber has indeed touched it, and obviously someone out there is watching. Osterity really believed he could get away with destroying the rest of the safety net–but Medicare and SS are too entrenched in the American psyche. I hope to God this is true, and I believe it is because I worry about my old age. That’s why I really, really detest Osterity–because he is fucking with my old age.

No, it was praise. Seriously.

He’s politically stupid, but he just happened to stumble upon becoming our first half-black president at the age of 47.

He’s stubborn, but he has no convictions.

He’s weak, but he continually stands against the majority of this country when their interests conflict with his sponsors in corporate amerika … which they do damn near by definition.

He graduated near the top of his class at harvard law school, but he is unable to see that the major missing component between clinton’s successful triangulation games and his is a booming economy.

Z

Shocking. Is there any segment of the D Party that still supports O?

Sure, go read the comments section at TPM, you’ll find them there trying to enforce orthodoxy and denouncing all who disagree with the Mighty O as firebaggers.

Sadly, what you say is true and pretty much makes websites like FDL and other like minded sites irrelevant, since much of the populace doesn’t follow current events. They just know they are screwed and it feels too good other than to just complain. They are too supine to take action.
Fatty foods and TV have a tendency to do that.

Please stay under the Obama Bus …

He’s riding herd over all of us …

;~DW

Just let Perry or Romney win. One of them could well be in for eight years. Bush was. People on here would rather have a religious zealot like Perry or a job destroying vulture like Romney. Maybe Chris Matthews is partially right about the racism.

I’m 24 and Obama was the first Presidential candidate I had the opportunity to vote for. I naturally regret having voted for him and intend not to make the same mistake again, but could never see myself voting for a Republican. So I’ll likely be sitting home next year, as your article indicates.

That’s absurd. I detested Clinton as much as I detest Obama.

And of course, now that … shocker! … throwing ss and medicare cuts on the table has been proven to erode his support and is visibly harming his re-election chances, he’s still unabashedly pushing them in his recommendations to catfood II.

Yeah, that magical sweet spot of independent voter support for ss and medicare cuts is going to eventually come around to seeing things his way and carry him to victory in 2012.

Go O!!!!

Z

what in the hell are you talking about? Do you ever read his work? I don’t think I even remember a Jon Walker post that doesn’t kick the shit out of the Obama Administration.

Currently, who can Obama count on for a base?

The bus

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/GloryDayz/politics/2012bus-sm.jpg

Obama’s main value to progressives and democrats, is as dumping material; to show the next democrat that if you come in and do the GOP’s work for them, you won’t get the chance to do it again.

In fact, if we convince him that he has no chance at a second term, and can only do even more harm to the party, if he tries again, and then we force him to bail, it will make future “centrists” like him, think twice about expending the money and the energy, to run.

The short of it is this: We progressives HAVE to do our job of holding the party’s feet to the reality fire. If we surrender to the “republicans are worse!” logic, and cave to hacks like Obama, then we will BE “fucking retards”, and we’ll deserve whatever happens to us.

After 8 years of either one of those two, and then what?

What was once a thriving middle class will be relegated to a nation of retail clerks.

Dump Obama!

Every post, roxster?

You must have missed the recent one about Health Care Fraud at FDL Action.

I never said nor implied that Jon supported Obama, I merely asked that he consider more deeply than “either … or”.

I hope that you may forgive my questioning the larger issues, as I see them, and asking Jon what he might think about them. Nonetheless, I shall continue to ask such questions as I deem appropriate in future, comment accordingly, and do so in good conscience and good will.

Please try to have a good day and simply ignore my comments, questions, and thoughts, henceforth, if that will make your life and journey any the easier.

DW

Great post. I agree we are given way to much time to Obama and the false left vs right paradigm. Who cares we know they are a bunch of corrupt psychos. We need to start looking for alternatives and giving them a platform to get there messages out. So long as we keep on covering the corrupt bunch in DC we are playing right along with their game. They take all the air out of the room and make it hard for people and alternative ideas to get the attention they need to start forming a critical mass.

We need to be talking to people like Glen Greenwald and other legal scholars and ask how can we fight a criminal and bought legal system.

For example has anyone challenged the basic belief that the legal system actually has jurisdiction over you? On what grounds. I heard the other day that if you have strong ties to the community and have not been charged with a capital crime, you do not have to post bail. However most do not know this and judges and the system don’t bother to tell you.

if you do submit to the legal process and can not afford a lawyer,, and are given one is that fair? You have a right to a fair trial, but if you have a low level legal aid lawyer and you are going up against the state, is that fair? has anyone challenged this?

On our monetary system is the federal reserve even legal? For it to be legal there would have to been amendments to the constitution, and i don’t think that happen.

Anyway these are just ideas for thought. guess what I am trying to say is we need to change the way we are thinking and start looking at ways we can change the system instead of letting it rule us and our lives.

That’s the one, John.

However, the real one looks like something Darth Vader might cruise around on.

;~DW

Precisely. And very well said, indeed, mswinkle. Those are splendid comments and very important questions.

DW

…and simply ignore my comments, questions, and thoughts, henceforth, if that will make your life and journey any the easier.

So you get to challenge others but want immunity from challenge yourself. Got it.

This comment is based on what?

(Are you having a bad day? Or are you channeling your inner Ralph Wiggum?)

Maybe it’s the unemployed that won’t vote for Obama in 2012. Maybe they’re racist (snark).

Obama’s toast. Time to move on

You did not “challenge” me Kelly, and no you do not get it.

But I get YOUR drift very clearly indeed. My question to you @26, which you ignored, does deserve a response.

Do you or do you not feel that commenters here have the right and the opportunity of raising questions and being, tolerated, if not respected for doing so, as well as the reasonable expectation of polite and reasonable response?

Again, you presume an authority and a position of superiority which is unbecoming and not reflective of what I consider and imagine FDL should be.You do not engage in best practice. In fact, you do not engage at all.

Why do you not allow others to stand and speak for themselves? Do you imagine that you do it “better”? Or more appropriately?

I answered roxster, calmly and rationally, as well as reasonably … while you have NOT extended that same courtesy to me. Instead, you have be responded to my response to roxster most petulantly and dismissively.

DW

How can we keep saying things will be worse without Obama. What do you think he will do in the next 4 years. In his first term he screwed us on Health Care….he was the major factor that we did not get the public option. He is going to screw us with Medicare and Social Security, He is going to take more away from Medicaid….he doesn’t support Education….jobs are getting scarcer and scarcer…He has turned his back on Labor Unions…people are still losing their homes…banks are getting richer as well as corporations and billionaires. Gas prices are rising as well as groceries. And now he wants to take away Unemployment Insurance, give the money to the corporations, have you work for the corporations and then they will get rid of you when the money is gone. And I should be afraid of the Republicans??????

Let’s not allow the BO failings to tear apart our community of firebaggers.

I know this sounds crazy but I read on a questionable blog a few weeks back that Obama 2012 campaign was he was going to play the race card. I thought it was nuts. But since then I have seen stories of black dems calling tea party people racist, I’ve seen chris mathews raise it, and a few others. It is even star to creep in here. So maybe that is part of the plan. If so be aware and don’t waste your time being pulled in. It is still only smoke and mirrors

BO has his minions out there playing the race card hoping to keep a high black turnout.
When you’ve accomplished nothing you go negative as you know.

Agreed. but the way I understand it the message will also be to guilt white voters, and have his various mouth pieces suggest that they are racists. II am not sure, but seems Chris mathews is already spinning that message

Seriously? Y’all are wasting time demanding that FDL contributors “take a stand” on these issues? I wager that the mere fact of being an FDL contributor implies a particular stance. I strongly doubt that Jon (or Jane, or anyone else who contributes articles here) is really doing the whole “I’m an unbiased journalist riding the center line” thing that someone like Brian Williams (et al) pretends to do.

Why is this even up for debate? *boggle*

losing?

or lost…

BHO is THE biggest bait-and-switch candidate since LBJohnson 1968…

well said. Thank you

Oh yeah, the Dims are going to go negative big time. The long knives will be out. Just like when they destroyed the Nader movement in 2000. The Dims are as good as the Repubs at kneecapping when they need to. Of course, they’re helpless when it comes to helping the unemployed. Wonder why?

What do you think would have happened if Obama was governor of Wisconsin?
The same laws would have been passed, but without any protest.

I’m very afraid of the Republicans. But I’m more afraid of Obama. I’d rather face my enemy head on
than get stabbed in the back. Obama has already put a knife in the back of the Democratic Party.
Give him four more years and he’ll just keep twisting it.

It fluctuates between dollar green and metal gold, but it will never be true blue where the bottom 95% of Americans are concerned.

At least LBJ was responsible for some good domestic policy, though his foreign policy resembled Obama’s.

“And I should be afraid of the Republicans??????”

I’ve been saying the same thing. You read my mind, or I read yours.
NAILED IT!!!

I am concerned about Repubs. But O scares the beejesus out of me. All that corporatist agenda accomplished in such a short time. And he’s going to get SS for them as well. I mean F me.
Mr. the government does not create jobs is driving all of us to the poor house. And the rest, the useful ones? … Well enjoy your “middle class” life, cause it won’t last. You’re always going to be looking over your shoulder wondering what next. The new “normal” – “structural” (read F the people) unemployment, wage decreases, time increases, no overtime, no sick pay or vacation at all – this is what a job of the future looks like, don’t like it then become one of the forgotten poor, … ya didn’t think so, now get back to work.

DW, I support you 100%.

You have asked legitimate questions that deserve honest and respectful answers.

You were not extended that courtesy.

I recommend your comments.

I love liberals – they are so concerned with taxing the rich and corporations to death, they can’t even see that the truly best way to get at the rich and the corporations is to do away with all income tax and go to a straight sales tax, no loop holes, exempt food and medicine so the poor and elderly don’t get hurt, and stand back and watch the rich and corporate big wigs spend themselves to death!

I didn’t vote for O the first time and probably won’t be voting for any Democrats in the foreseeable future, at least in national races. However, by providing facts, such as Walker did today in his usual professional style, a couple of good things could happen:

1 Lefty potential politicians could become more motivated to run for office, buoyed by the revelation(s) that voters are becoming more skeptical, especially from the left. We could get a dog-catcher elected here, a school board member there, and over there, who knows?

2 Democrats in office may vote for bills or enforce laws that they recently would avoid, in order to try to appeal to disaffected former constituencies. They’ll still stab us in the back imho, but some real good could conceivably come to desperate people.

3 Obama could declare martial law, and people would finally see his loyalties. Laissez les bontemps rouler!

It is NOT the lesser of two evils — it is exactly the same evil. There is no difference between a Republican administration and a Republican administration-by-proxy.

Thank you, Mason, I appreciate your support very much.

DW

NOW can we run a primary challenger?

0bama’s going to lose, not because the Republicans have a better candidate, but because 0bama has betrayed the Democrats. 0bama IS a Republican. He is our philosophical and ideological antithesis. Why would any working person vote for Herbert Hoover/Richard Nixon/Ronald Reagan/George H.W. Bush/George W. Bush/Dick Cheney/Barack 0bama??? Crooks, one and all. And 0bama has been urgently trying to join their ranks. “Lookit me! I’m the Democrat who killed Social Security! I’m the Democrat who killed Medicare! I’m the Democrat who killed America! Yippee! Vote for me!”

Of the big Democratic Party supporting liberal sites, I think this one is the furthest to the left. That said, it’s not a surprise that after all the huffing and puffing, when it comes down to voting, those who run the site will encourage supporters to vote for Obama. That said, they cover a wider variety of activist related news here on the front page than you’ll find at sites like DKos.

I definitely think the point DWBartoo is making applies there where all front page articles revolve around the 2 parties. Criticism of Obama is worded in a way that they expect him to actually listen, it’s for his own good, and no matter what, when elections season comes, they will always support him because the Bad Cop is worse.

A movement is taking root thanks to Tar Sands XL Pipeline protesters, the protests in the mid-west that happened recently, and the planned protests in October. I’m not expecting Democratic Party supporting sites to cover those from the activists point of view, or much at all. Rather, they will be covered in how the protests affect the Democratic Party and Obama’s support and re-election chances.

While a majority of FDL is devoted to left-based *commentary*, some content is simply political news that is of interest to lefties. And, like or not, this is news.

I don’t need every article on FDL to bash President Obama or tell me how ignorant the Republican front runner is. In fact, I’ve been frequenting the site a little less because most of the news that’s important to me has been colored too much by the commentary associated with the article. I usually end up just tracking down the source and ignoring the opinion-based article.

And frankly. your questions in 4 should not be asked of someone who is, in your words, “reporting.” That’s part of what’s wrong in this country, too much opinion and too little *fact-based* analysis.

As we get closer to the election the debate about whether to stick with Obama is going to get sharper and more fractious. I think that’s a given.

I don’t want to see the Lake lookin’ like WWIII, but neither do I want to hear the endless “piefight” accusations as we get into that debate. It’s going to be very important. It ought to be freewheeling, but not vicious.

I expect something every bit as fervid as the primary and nomination fights.

Maybe hold an election protest. We are stuck with 2 bad choices at the top branches of government. A vote for anything else means nothing, except perhaps at the very local level depending on the situation and local population.

“…there is a good chance they simply won’t show up to vote at all.”

Spot on, Jon, and that’s the problem. After 8 years of the savage idiocy of Bush and the republicans, democrats AND independents were fired up about getting some real change. Now that Obama is sustaining so much of that idiocy, I’ll either go for someone who’s primarying him, or sit it out.

(I think my no-show point was reached when he went to that 30K-a-plate fundraiser with the fatcat democrats and taunted progressives. “Outraged” does not begin to describe my feelings…)

Are you an aspiring comedienne?

A word of advice: don’t give up your day job

Good point, Bull.

If LBJ had had the smarts and the courage to pull the plug on Vietnam, instead of shooting it full of steroids, he’d have gone down as one of our best presidents.

I mean, really!

That’s got to be the troll-of-the-day.

I just read in “The Week” where 25 of the top 100 corporations paid their CEO’s more than they paid in taxes.

The fact that SS and Medicare are on the table should be enough to discourage any one who is a liberal or progressive from voting for O. Not that it makes a difference in D vs. R debate they are the same and the sooner we move on the better. IMHO

The first election I was eligible to vote was in 1964. I have never failed to vote in a presidential election.
I have registered as Green Party because I felt I would count more when party affiliation noses get counted than Republicrat or Demican.
If the Greens do not field a candidate, and no worthy independent steps up, this will be the first election I stay home. I do not know any other way to register my feelings than to be part of the stay-at-home non vote. Unless someone can convince me I am wrong to do this.

And of course, now that … shocker! … throwing ss and medicare cuts on the table has been proven to erode his support and is visibly harming his re-election chances, he’s still unabashedly pushing them in his recommendations to catfood II.

That’s what the IMF wants.

We know that four more years of Obama will be awful, and we know that four years of a Republican will be awful, too. So many of us will vote third party in the general election, though we still know the next four years will be awful.

We could make life a little less awful for many people in this world if we would strategically vote in the Republican primary for Ron Paul. That’s because he is the only Republican candidate who would end the wars, close the military bases overseas, stop the War on Drugs (which is a war on poor people in the U.S.), and stop the NAFTA-style trade treaties. We have no antiwar candidate to vote for in the Democratic primary.

In the general election, we could vote third party, knowing that either Obama will win, and we will suffer, or Paul would win, and we will suffer. But we would know also that our drones and bombs would stop destroying lives overseas.

This seems fair to me.

First, there’s no way Obama gets my vote again. This meme that there’s nowhere else to go has got to be stopped. He must be beaten because of his republican-lite stance. If that means president Romney, so be it. Frankly, I don’t see Romney as much worse. I’ll probably go back to voting for 3rd party candidates, well aware that they won’t win. At least I will have voted for someone I believe in. Yes, I’m aware that big money sets up Tweedle Dee against Tweedle Dum; but the reason for that is the unavoidable fact of the incredible ignorance and stupidity of the electorate. You get what you deserve. Whenever I hear the phrase “the wisdom of the American People” (which I haven’t heard much lately), I just groan.

It was the analysis which I sought and still seek, boohoowho. Jon does engage in such analysis, and I think this post would have benefited from such further eloboration and consideration. That is my opinion.

And, I thank you for civilly conversing with me and sharing your opinion.

DW

This is interesting:

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20110831/D9PFAOUG0.html

Obama wants congress to convene a special joint session to hear his job program proposals. It happens to be on the same night; Sept 7th, as a republican presidential debate.

I’m not sure exactly who has the call in the House as to whether or not they will do it, but I’m sure Boehner has a lot to say about it, and I would bet that the answer is going to be “no”. In fact, the answer might be “no” even if Obama is willing to move it to another date.

I watch Boehner to see just how little the GOP fears or respects Obama. So far, Obama engenders about as much trepidation from the repubs as a terrier yapping at a Rottweiller. (Only, Obama is doing precious little yapping.)

If obama truly wanted to get reelected, rather than being so concerned about endearing himself to the people that will paying him 6 figures for giving vacuous speeches, he’d wait until after the election before he so aggressively went after ss and medicare cuts.

Z

What are you going to do, though, when Katrina Vanden Heuvel and the entire Nation editorial board, Digby, Kos, Josh Marshall, Howie Klein, John Amato, Krugman, and others (along with their legions of fanboys and girls) all come out and scream how fucking stupid the hard line progressives are for not going along with them in kissing the President’s ring?

Bravo! Only problem is: the powers that be will never allow Ron Paul in the White House.

Laugh.

;~DW

:-)

Vote green.

One term.

Good,couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
Now lets throw him out on his ass.

It really doesn’t matter who wins the Prez election as the Corporations still wins.

Vote green folks.

I agree. I plan to vote Green.

Well, racism smells like shit and that’s Chris Mathews’ favorite food. Does he actually still have a job after he just giggled when Dick Armey (sp?) humiliated Joan Walsh in front of the nation on his program, under his watch?
And WOW, by his superior intuition and knowledge of the political spectrum, he can smell racism in America? Isn’t that just really impressive.

I don’t know about that.

I might consider a sales tax if it included a tax on the purchase and sale of financial instruments, say stocks, bonds, commodities, securities, etc.

But this is obviously such theoretical make believe at this point in time.
Also it should the include the purchase and sale of real estate above a certain amount.

Exemptions of course for food, groceries, many small ticket consumer goods, and so on.

Sales taxes aren’t inherently bad, just that the ones that exist only target necessities for the most part rather than the purchase/sale of the big stuff.

Not sure who will be on the ballot in Iowa, but some progressive will and he/she will get my vote.

And to think, I was actually a pollwatcher for this guy in 2008.

I think I’ll keep my dem registration so I can show up at the dem caucus and talk shit.

Obama’s base. Ha. The people mentioned in the article are Obama’s patsies. Obama serves Wall Street exclusively. Why would anyone bother to vote for Team A or Team B when they are both owned and operated by the same people.

The only vote that is actually a vote for the people would have to be a third party. But our elections are fake. Even if everyone voted for a third party, our God, the idiot box, would announce that Obama had won as he is the best thing the Repubs have ever had. A Dem electing destructive to the people’s security, elite serving, right wing legislation and all on the Dems tab. Not that means anything since the Dems sold out long long time ago.

You might be an American idiot if you think anyone with less than 10 million dollars is part of Obama’s base.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnzK9mw56Pc

I am a long time Democrat….Right now I am seriously hoping someone…would love it if Hillary Clinton, primaries Pres. Obama. Anyone with guts. So, So, So tired of him playing dead every time a republican says booooo.

One example, the latest, is this joint session of Congress for next week. I know he’s going to roll over on this too….If the house can’t be bothered to listen to what the President has to say….then just speak before the Senate and invite and interested house members to attend…

I am leaning the same way…..

I am definitely not on the “inside” of FDL. JW relates some newsworthy information. You demand that he answer a series of your questions. It would take a book to answer them in anything more than a set of slogans. Kelly accurately points out that you can get a fair idea of Jon’s beliefs on some of your questions by reading more of his work. You insult Kelly.

You strike me as the arrogant one.

The big O talks the talk but he’s a fucking paraplegic.

broken record, won’t dignify it by calling it trolling

If you despise people here so much, there are more welcoming places, no?

You’re absolutely right about the “moderate” progressives doing ass-covering duty for Obama. It’s nauseating, and it’s hurting the progressive agenda more than anything the republicans are doing.

Their supporting of Obama while he sells us out tells him that he can keep doing it with political impunity. Stripping that confidence from him is the first step in either forcing him from office or getting him to change…if it’s not too late for change…which it probably is.

Most commenters here dismiss or show disdain about racism and its impact on the Obama presidency. This from a left-wing, progressive site. How dissapointing.

Support among African Americans is still very high. Recent surveys have supported this.

“Most commenters” here know that blaming racism for his softening support is not reality based.

If it’s the best excuse ya have, I guess it will have to do for now, am I right?

That worked so well before with Nader, didnt it?

generic support or support of his individual policies?

I have answered those questions regarding general support in the affirmative because I knew how saying I did not support him would be perceived by those who would use the results to cause more harm and push everything further right.

Paul vs. Obama. You are really jumping the shark.

Racism not reality based? Against this president? And how is this differet than Red State. Oh, well, back to your echo chamber.

You’re one of the Nader dredgers?

It seems you want the racism angle to be front and center. Now you bring up Nader.

Interesting, it would seem that you need to be more subtle.

The invisible green candidate?

I did not say front and center. It’s just I’m having a hard time stomaching progressives saying it has no impact.

You are a divider and a groupie. Anyone want to know you for the BOG’er you are needs look no further than democratic underground.

You can’t stomach much of anything progressive. Did you really miss belittling people so much that you had to leave your shelter at DU?

how condescending of you to think that African Americans are so easily manipulated.

Linsweet and a great many members of what is called the Barack Obama Group at DU made the place a living hell for anyone who didn’t tow the line, pledge allegiance to Barack Obama. So many good lefties were disappeared from that site, it is quite well documented the very bad behavior of the site owner and his fellow DLC’ers. Paying members were run off the site, had comments disappeared and in many cases their entire comments and diaries disappeared all for having the gall to question dear leader.

If handing the election to the republicans, to destroy to “rebuild” is your idea of progressive, then yes, count me completely out.

You are here to manipulate, aren’t you? I want to know, do really miss not being able to challenge dissenting voices this much? Your behavior is crystal clear. You are division and discord, you know it, everyone who encountered you and your kind there knows it.

But you are proposing to do the exact same. If one does not agree to ride the President out on a rail, you can’t comment here.

Manipulate what? I am expressing my views in the same way that you are. What is the purpose here. To only hear from people who completely agree with you?

Oh please, just stop

You disappoint me with your shallow superficial judgement. You have no clue what the commenters here have done, and are doing, to better their communities in all aspects of social justice work

Stop being so stupidly obtuse and two dimensional. Nevermind, I know you for who you are.

When Obama doubles down on failed domestic and foreign policy choices, your response appears to be, re-elect. Now that is a powerfully progressive strategy, no?

And stop with the straw arguments, they are pathetic and people here are smarter than the run of the mill Du’er.

You and yes, I do mean you, run people out of DU, then follow them here to play victim. I see through it for what it is. It’s pathetic and exactly what I have come to expect from those who pledged allegiance to this President.

I see what is clearly in front of me. I make no judgments about any one’s life work. Nor did I presume that you would make judgements about mine. I asked if only agreeing viewpoints were welcome. And this has answered my question really well.

I’ll explain how this works since I have seen these miscreants at more than a couple places. One of them gets their ass handed to them or sees something particularly offensive about dear leader. The racism charge is played often enough at Du it seemed to be the favorite tool of many a BOG’er btw. Anyhow, there is a call to arms and whoever is feeling particularly cheeky descends upon the site to take charge of the discussion. It’s all very humorous if you haven’t been hounded by the same players on multiple sites not that there are all that many anyway.

You jump to conclusions, answer your own questions and are quick to play the victim. If that’s your life’s work, then I guess you have mastered it, congratulations. If you wish to dialogue you need to not act like you do on DU. It will not be welcomed here and that’s not me, just unsolicited advice, see for yourself. I see through the illusion though and have grown weary of being good cop to abusers such as yourself.

I make no judgments about any one’s life work

Your own words at 137 contradict your statement above

Most commenters here dismiss or show disdain about racism

I don’t consider myself a victim. What I do see is a wing of “progressives” who deny racism, who think that Obama and Perry are the same. I happen to disagree. By signing in I have a right to comment when I wish. I will continue to comment as I see fit. I actually look forward to your responses.

I don’t consider myself a victim.

Let others decide. You are playing the victim, quite quick to claim it too, but par for the course. Whatever, I am growing bored with you.

What I do see is a wing of “progressives” who deny racism,

You see what you want to see. Who here is stupid enough to believe there is no racism against Obama? Rather, you are being challenged for using it as an excuse. Again, par for the course.

who think that Obama and Perry are the same.

Of course, they aren’t the same, that is a moronic statement. Instead of your exploring a new place, you brought all your prejudices and small mindedness with you.

You came here for a fight because you and your friends ran off everyone who didn’t pledge their allegiance to Obama. I know why you are here and so do you, so why play victim hero? If the Barack Obama Group is still accessible at DU anyone interested enough can see how the game is played.

Bring something beside a loyalty oath and maybe we’ll have something to discuss.

I’m done with this one for now. I know someone will be along to say give him/her a chance, so be it.

And please, do not insult my intelligence and patience by exclaiming how much “worse” the Republican challengers would be.
The “lesser” argument is weak, arrogant, foolish and useless.

Exactly. This argument has been used incessantly over at the Big Orange and other Obama fansites (Big O less so lately) and it makes no sense to re-adopt Obama simply because he’s a “nominal Democrat.” He’s not a Democrat or a progressive or anything like Howard Dean or Elizabeth Warren or any moderate Democrat I can think of. Letting him have the WH again in 2012 only moves the Overton Window of Dem values farther to the right, farther than it has come already in the last 3 years, making the Dem brand unrecognizable. I see no value in that.

Some say he will climb into his “true liberal” identity in a second term, like changing his costume in the telephone booth — are you kidding me? I don’t buy that. He won’t change. He’s a wannabe and he won’t take any risks not getting what he “wants-ta-be” when he retires from the WH. I’d rather let the devil come through the door in 2012 (even the devil who appoints SC justices who kill women’s choice and I’m a woman) so that passive Democrats will snap to attention and consciously fight back for our progressive values including women’s choice and build even stronger choice legislation. The religious collusion that underlies the ruination of choice and other social issues needs to be vigorously fought back against and Obama will never do it. He’s just “go along and get along” and let it happen.

Obama is losing us time. He’s like the Vichy government in WW II France, a collaborator with the enemy when the enemy today is not armed with guns, but campaign money, so he succumbs to the campaign money which can be just as lethal in its effects. We need to adopt the style of the French Resistance and get serious. We have no time. We need great leaders, great speechwriters, great framing, great PR to counter what we’re up against. This is media WAR!

On healthcare he moved the Overton Window on “universal healthcare” from single payer toward the right to a commercial corporate insurance scheme by caving in to a universal mandate on a for-profit product that will cost Americans a fortune. Rather than continue pretending with Obama, I’d rather have the next 4 years to regroup and find real Democrats (or a new party since the Dem hierarchy gave us Obama).

Ending the wars and shining a light on the Fed are the ONLY two major issues Ron Paul has and this country has plenty more just as large or greater problems to solve.
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The biggest hole blown in the budget over the last decade was caused by Bush II’s wartime tax cuts for the super-rich and Obama’s going along with Republicans to extend them, which cost the government more revenue than ALL the State budget shortfalls COMBINED. I haven’t heard Paul say word one about sufficiently raising taxes on the very rich and super-rich. He and his son both support more tax cuts for corporations when they are holding onto record wealth they are using to speculate on Wall Street, buy back their own stocks and offshore more jobs.
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Paul’s all over the Fed but he sure as hell hasn’t got a clue about what to do about sufficiently re-regulating the “too big” banks, or the derivatives markets and he’s never supported a transaction tax on Wall Street speculation (such as the one the US had 50 years ago and the EU still has that lessens market volatility and generates revenue).
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I’ve never heard any ideas from Ron Paul on how to get all the bad paper off the big banks’ on-sheet and off-sheet balances or those of the shadow banks (including hedge funds) except to let the whole system crash without nationalizing, cleansing and maintaining enough banks to keep short-term business credit liquid and invest in stimulus projects, both of which Paul is antithetical to as “socialism.” He wouldn’t know a State-owned bank if it stumped up on its big granite brick legs and bit him in the buttocks. He’s an obsolete, anachronistic 19th century agrarian libertarian Gothic American throwback when it comes to economics.
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Where’s Ron Paul’s opposition to “absolute advantage free trade” and its accelerated offshoring of good paying U.S. jobs? Nowhere. He doesn’t oppose it.
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What is his stance on economic stimulus spending on infrastructure or other job creation? Tantamount to communism as far as he’s concerned. The idea of a Green New Deal would make him and his son both shit their pants and run whining to Paul Ryan to lend them some styling mousse.
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Where’s Ron Paul on cracking down on legally and illegally offshored taxable income – estimated by the US Treasury Department to have cost this nation $2 Trillion dollars over the last 15 years? Nowhere. He doesn’t oppose it.
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Where’s Ron Paul on legalized usury. Nowhere. He doesn’t oppose it.
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Where’s Ron Paul on corporate collectivization of family farms? Nowhere. Not even on his radar screen other than as a general principle he opposes both anti-poverty welfare and direct corporate welfare subsidies.
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Where’s Paul on the 40 year-old delinking of wages from worker productivity? Couldn’t care less.
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Where’s Ron Paul on union busting now that unions are down to 7% of the workforce from 30% when Reagan took office? Are you kidding? He is an anti-regulatory corporatist capitalist who views unions as his arch enemy.
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Where’s Ron Paul on the subject of corporate monopolies such as those now afflicting the country via the banking, mass infotainment media, telecomm industry and agri-business monopolies? Like all traditional libertarians he despises the Sherman Anti-Trust Act and worships the mythical “free market” like the fundamentalist tick turd he is.
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Where’s Ron Paul “the libertarian” on run amok S-Comm, the FBI’s “relaxed” 2011 Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide, the FBI’s Orwellian Next Generation Identification system, use of military sound cannons on lawful public protesters, disposal of habeas corpus, systemic violations of the Geneva Conventions, international war crimes and continuation of CIA “black interrogation centers” like the one they’ve opened up in Somalia? Absolutely silent on most of it although as a John Birch Society supporter he despises the UN, and international laws of any kind–including the Geneva Conventions, war crimes laws and the International Criminal Court–except for daily, perpetually sovereignty trumping “free trade” treaty monstrosities like the World Trade Organization.
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Where’s Mr. Libertarian on a woman’s right to choose whether or not she has an abortion? Oh, he’s decidedly, paternalistically against.
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He travels in the same pluto-libertarian, anti-union, anti-environmentalist circles as the Koch Brothers, whose father co-founded the fanatical pro-segregationist, McCarthyite, John Birch Society whose events Paul eagerly speaks at. Most noteworthy, he was the keynote speaker at the 50th anniversary of the creation of the John Birch Society: Out of all the right-wing lunatic fringe Americans they could’ve selected they chose Ron Paul.
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Where is Ron Paul on Civil Rights for blacks and other minorities? He is still proud of the fact he was against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
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Where’s Ron Paul on the weakening, privatization or elimination of Social Security and Medicare? In an interview earlier this year he said Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are all unconstitutional and tantamount to slavery.
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Ron Paul ENDORSES “free trade.” He specifically opposes NAFTA and the WTO because he considers them overly “managed” free trade–i.e. he’d rather corporations and governments cut deals and resolve trade disputes directly than go through picked EU and US corporate cronies in secret tribunals inside the WTO who slant global markets perpetually towards EU & US farmers and corporations thereby distorting his mythologically sacred, factually nonexistent “free market.” That still does nothing to prevent “free trade” accelerated offshoring.
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Ron Paul, like Milton Friedman, Frances Hayek, William Krystol (who calls Paul a crackpot, which is laughable since they are both crackpots), Alan Greenspan, Robert Rubin, Lawrence Summers, Paul Hanks, Ben Bernanke and Timothy Geithner is a devotee of that infantile fairy-tale spewing hypocrite Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand vilified the middle-class and pissed on the lower-class and social welfare safety nets her entire life – until in later years she developed lung cancer and NEEDED THEM. Then she had her personal secretary apply for and obtain Social Security and Medicare for Ms. Rand using the name Ann O’Connor (her husband’s last name).
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Just to give all you thinkish Ron Paul tar-babies a clue: There is not now, and never has been, such a thing as a free market. Not as long as governments and potentates have had the right to issue coins and paper money, dilute coinage and inflate paper currency, levy taxes and join in multi-country trading leagues to shape regional tax and tariff policies, which they do for a variety of State – and self-serving reasons to finance all sorts of policies, programs and wars and have for 6,000-plus years of written history going back to Mesopotamian cuneiform.
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The equally hypocritical and deluded Ron Paul has been voting for term limits since his first stint in Congress – nearly 40 years ago – and, SURPRISE!!…he’s still in Congress.
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He would terminate most federal cabinet level agencies, including oversight and regulation on food and drug safety, the Department of Education (putting the U.S. in the anti-competitive 19th century position of being only developed nation in the world without one). He would anti-competitively end federal subsidies for scientific and health-related research.
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He would anti-competitively repeal the federal income tax, making the U.S. the only nation in the developed Western world without one and stripping the federal government’s function down to basically national defense and the Post Office. But he had the temerity to appear on the PBS news program NOW even though it is a federally subsidized news network – because the corporate “mainstream” news networks won’t touch him – because he’s laudably against the corporate welfare that his asshole buddies amongst the big government Republican Party love.
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Of his infamously racist and homophobic newsletters in the 1990s, Ron Paul in 2001 publicly admitted he bore “some moral responsibility” for their publishing, but has denied responsibility for similarly hateful remarks in subsequent newsletters attributed to him.
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While he receives most of his campaign funding from grass roots supporters now that he’s built up a deluded groupie base, in the past he received campaign backing from billionaire Steve Forbes and super-bigot Pat Buchanan.
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While it is admirable that Ron Paul is against corporate welfare, the problem is he’s also against critically (now urgently) needed federal subsidies of many other kinds BESIDES corporate welfare.
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How would voting for Paul in the primaries get a national discussion going about “all the issues” we care so deeply about when he is atavistically regressive and opposes the overwhelming majority of my populist progressive and, in some cases, mildly socialist positions? I’d vote for Ralph Nader, Elizabeth Warren, or Bernie Sanders in the primaries 10,000 times before I’d vote for a demented Norman Rockwell Amurkan Gothic, upper-middle-class, tongue-bathing, shit-ape like Ron Paul because they would DEFINITELY raise populist progressive issues from a populist progressive working-class perspective. I’m in the working-class, see? I don’t give a good God damn about the the fucking upper-middle-class, let alone they upper-class they now so slavishly worship.
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To attempt to portray Ron Paul as “mainstream” only exposes just how deluded you are. He’s no more “mainstream” than Ralph Nader or Bernie Sanders. The instant the “mainstream” learned of his actual positions they’d flee him like horse flatulence in a crowded outhouse. Nader likes the fact that Ron Paul is enough of an outsider to the Beltway/NYC Big Media roost that he might shake up the ballot access lock in the States and embarrass some more profoundly corrupt neo-conservative Republicans and neo-liberal Democrats in the process.
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No thanks. I’ll pass. Ron Paul and his son are both very probably Koch Brothers stealth candidates seeking to get as high an office as possible to help the KB implement their scorched earth pluto-libertarian agenda. People who support Paul his equally bizarro-world son are fools and suckers.

P.S. – sorry for the cramped text, I went to edit and it wouldn’t do paragraph breaks, so I used ‘*’. This is from a blog on CD which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Not true. My afscme friends are democrats and support Obama. You clearly don’t live in Wisconsin and have not participated in the recalls.

Unfortunately, change is slow. Before Obama took office the vast majority of progressives were devoted to reforming the Democratic Party from within rather than challenging it from the outside. I think a lot of progressives have abandoned that previous position. I still think progressives are going to have to wait for other left-wingers to finally throw up their arms and abandon the establishment Dems before we can even begin to change things. Another 4 years of Obama could actually help bring about that change.

Testing testing one two three

Z

Funny how we keep hearing how Obama has to court the “Independent” vote.

Little does he seem to realize how many “Independent” voters he has created from ex-Democratic voters that will never vote for Obama again.

Nonsense. His base is the haves and have-mores. They’re renewing his contract.

Everyone: Worship Obama or you’re a racist, maybe a green racist even! LOL

Church of Obama services start daily at 8

All I can say is I don’t like being under this bus one bit. I don’t care HOW many other nice people there are here in the undercarriage to chat with. O-Biteme can start packing.

When does Third Way/DLC/Obama For America pay their shills? At the end of the month?

Do they get paid by the word?

Eh, we must re-elect Obama. We must think of the African-Americans… (like Obama cares about African-Americans)

I hope you’re not referring to my admittedly long anti-Ron Paul rant above. FYI I’m no Barry Osterity fan, nor of any of the usual DLC suspects. I voted Nader.

I found this page bookmarked and really liked what I read. I will surely bookmark it too and also read your other articles tomorrow.

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