A group of Arizonans in Pima County, which is a relatively blue slice of a rather red state, are pushing to break away from Arizona and form their own state. This unusual (though not unprecedented) move would actually come with a lot of rewards. From KGUN9 via Ben Smith:
One group is so fed up with Arizona politics they want to break away and form a brand new state. “Start Our State,” a new Pima County political committee, hopes to bring the initiative to voters in 2012.
Co-founders Peter Hormel and Paul Eckerstrom say the governor’s Federal lawsuit over immigration and new bills proposing to nullify Federal law are what sent their opinions over the edge.
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He says with Pima County’s size and population, they could pull it off. Pima County has more square miles than New Jersey, Connecticut, Delaware and Rhode Island. It has more people than Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Vermont, Delaware and Alaska.
While the project is probably an extreme long shot at best, I’m surprised the general idea isn’t far more common in parts of large states, given the potential upsides inherent in the design of our Constitution.
After all, most of our states, especially the western ones, have little reason to be the shape they are besides what is basically historical accident. They often don’t follow natural borders, population centers, long established ethnic lines, or linguistic divides.
There is precedent for part of a larger state breaking away to form a new one. For Example, West Virginia broke away from Virginia at the start of the Civil War, and Maine was part of Massachusetts until 1820, when it become its own state.
Rewards for being a breakaway state are huge
There is basically little downside to being a small state, but the benefits are great. Because our highly unrepresentative Constitution gives every state, no matter how small, two United States senators, as a voter in the new state of Pima, your vote in the Senate would instantly be worth about six times what it was as citizen of Arizona! As a result of disproportionately more power in the Senate, Pima would likely get many more billions in federal money. In addition, due to the design of the electoral college, their vote for president would be worth more than twice what it currently is.
There is also the benefit of living in a state where the state government and federal representatives are more likely to to be focused on your parochial concerns and aligned with your ideology. A serious issue as the rural/urban divide in voting patterns increases.
Breakaway states might be the only path to Senate reform
While the status quo bias is extremely strong against such things, it would be interesting if this effort succeeded in Pima and regions in other states, seeing the big rewards, followed suit–like Southern Florida, Austin, Texas, Inland California, and Western Oregon.
While highly improbable, I suspect a series of breakaway states rapidly changing the Senate size and balance of power is sadly one of the most likely ways to reform our highly unrepresentative Senate. Short of some huge shock that starts undermining the Senate power of the small states, I can’t see three-quarters of the states ever approving a Constitutional amendment to change the Senate.



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Good for the state of Pima. We need some drastic actions. California would benefit greatly by being made into 2 states- it’s simply too large to govern efficiently.
I agree. But, I’m thinking down the middle vertically instead of horizontally.
That would be fine. We would get the San Andreas fault and they would get the Republicans. :)
Fair enough.
[grinning]
This post would be better if it wasn’t showing a picture around Sedona (North/Central AZ) where John McCain held those “tire swings.”
San Xavier Del Bac is a bit more iconic Tucson/Pima imagery.
I think it’s a great idea. Draw a line from just north of Austin west to El Paso and then east to just north of Houstopolis and everything south of that line is a very blue state.
If they have any interest in having the initiative succeed, they must insist on
Paper ballots, with open counting of all votes in all precincts.
Maybe you want three divisions, with Orange County all by itself.
It seems to me that this would increase the non-representativeness of the US Senate, and on balance probably strengthen the Thugs. The Senate should simply be abolished. It`s more efficient and cheaper. The only losers would be the ad agencies and the TV stations.
It has been tried before, more than once with the UP of Michigan. They didn’t want “their” money going to all the “blacks” (which starts with the letter “N”) in Detroit.
Every time they try that secession talk they are reminded that there are a lot of roads up there that need plowing, and their schools will get no state subsidies, and their Medicaid will be next to nothing, etc.
Then it all simmers down until the next time someone gets the idea of forming “The Sovereign State of Superior”.
Since it first started in the Eisenhower era , the “movement” had tried to add the rich resort areas of the northern LP. Still, the UP is part of Michigan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_%28proposed_U.S._state%29
Orange County is its own universe. Maybe we can just ignore them.
I was thinking Orange County and South could be grouped with Bakersfield, Fresno and Reseda.
…it’s all getting so tiresome…
No, give then San Diego county also.It’s more conservative than Orange county these days, anyway.
Reseda?
I would LOVE to see texas broken up into little thief-doms.. it would be war….HAHAHAHAHA… And out in Arizonie, Brewski an Grampy McSame-adidle could start their own little Klan on his ranch.. They could serve Pearce-burgers every night….
How hilarious would this be !!!!
Have you observed Muslims being treated unkindly in SD County?
…I’ve been thinking of opting out and coming back in a year to see how it all turned out…
The northwest quarter of Oregon includes most of the state’s population and is quite blue. There have been discussions about the rest of the state, which is very conservative, breaking off. Years ago, just before WWII, a group advanced the cause of the “State of Jefferson,” which included the northern part of California and southern Oregon.
As hard as this is to do, I have long thought that maybe it’s time to realign the country. California should be at least two–if not three–states. Texas has threatened to divide, and it probably should. One of the problems in the West is that our states are large, but there aren’t as many of them as there are in the East. We get fewer U. S. Senators, which minimizes our political clout. Given the population shifts in the past 50-60 years, the West is underrepresented in Congress. By dividing, along with reclaiming federal lands for development, the more Dem-oriented West Coast would become more powerful.
Actually, there was a referendum on the ballot in 20 Northern California counties (excluding Humboldt) to form a new State in the late 1990s. It would have been called Sequoia. These referenda passed in all 20 counties (would have passed in Humboldt too except the Board of Supes was too chicken to put it on the ballot). There were several reasons for doing it, including that it would have given the Sequoians control over their own water, over their tax revenues, and a bunch of other stuff. Because that area is thinly populated compared to the rest of the state – representation in the State Legislature tends to be overwhelmed by SoCal. So Los Angeles gets the water, Sacto takes all the money, and at the time (way before this recession) at least three of the 20 counties were facing possible bankruptcy. I don’t live there anymore – but I can only imagine what the situation is like now.
Isn’t this what they call Balkinization?
Balkanization is exactly what is is, and it results from people being totally ignored by their representatives, so maybe it’s a good thing.
Could it be time for direct democracy and text message voting?
A Wikistitution with Anonymous as high court might work for a while.
I suppose it’s all a SNAFU anyway.
I live in CA and have been saying for a while that it needs to be split horizontally into about three parts. The state is massive and sprawling with distinct areas that would be better represented(locally and federally) if they had some real choices. I’m tired of these idiots who keep voting to ban gay marriage, not legalize pot, and have a 2/3 majority to pass a tax increase. Grover Norquist can suck it!
Jon, I’m going to make your life easier (no I’m not sending you a robot). Check out this map.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/US_Court_of_Appeals_and_District_Court_map.svg/2000px-US_Court_of_Appeals_and_District_Court_map.svg.png
Its a map showing the boundaries of the 89 US District Courts in the 50 states (not counting the federal courts in DC, PR, Guam, Virgin Islands or the Northern Marianas).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_district_court#Subdivided_district_courts
Big states (in terms of population) are divided into 4 districts with less populated states having three, two or one district. In fact, Arizona is probably due for a new district. It currently has only one, so Congress should divide it into an Eastern and Western District of Arizona (making 90 judicial districts in all).
Anyway, Congress could pass a law permitting and encouraging ($$$) state legislature with more than one district to vote to divide itself along its district court lines (unlike congressional districts, federal judicial districts always divide along county lines) to make each district a state. After all, 180 senators are better than 100. :o)
Doesn’t help Oregon, which has only one court District.
Pima County is cool. They gave the country Raul Grijalva. Economic circumstances forced me to move to California otherwise I would have gotten a Socialist elected to that seat.
Let’s be really honest:Our only choice is either stiff Wall St. or let these homocidal kleptocrats continue to reap the fruits of disaster politics as their speculative losses continue to be our obligations that foretoken a future of debt peonage.Fuck states,do counties and kill the senate.The owners have no real power .Berkeley needs nothing from the feds.
Alert China! We going to need to change the flag. Why doesn’t Alaska, with real geographic issues, albeit with no sizable population try dividing like a single celled organism? Imagine four “Alaskas”, two or more North Dakotas, etc. etc. Maybe 500 States. That might by itself add balance to the out of balance Senate.
I suspect that Pima county could get Santa Cruz county to go along. We’d be even bigger then! Baja Arizona. I’m voting for it.
I was born in Reseda General in 1949.
A few years ago, we put the division of CA on the ballot, didn’t we?
North, Central and South. One reason it didn’t happen was because SoCal needs our water. Without it they are un sustainable.
We could dig a moat around Orange County and put a “boarder” type fence around the moat. Chaqrge a toll for entry and exit.