While more and more prominent Democrats slowly joining President Obama’s drum roll in support of Social Security cuts “reforms,” like those just put forward by the co-chairs of the deficit commission he appointed, this most recent election should give them serious pause before pursuing these recommendations.
In this last election, Democrats performed terribly with senior citizen voters. National House exit polling shows only 38 percent of those over 65 voted for Democrats while 59 percent votes for Republicans. This is the worst showing for Democrats among seniors in decades and a big part of why Dems lost so many House seats.
According to a Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research memo (PDF), it was concerns about the “cuts” to Medicare in the new health care law that caused such a huge swing away from Democrats among the elderly.
Seniors played an immense role in this result – raising their participation as a share of the electorate to 23 percent and their vote for Republicans by 10 points since 2008. They were clearly spooked by health care reform and the so-called cuts in Medicare.
The Republicans absolutely hammered Democrats with what the GOP labeled as a $500 billion cut in Medicare as part of the new health care law. The fairly misleading message clearly resonated with seniors who really don’t want their entitlements cut.
What the Democrats actually did was reduce projected Medicare spending by around $500 billion by mainly trying to address waste, overpayments, and inefficiency. The so-called cuts were not meant to affect the core coverage provided by Medicare. In addition, some of the savings were put toward reducing the Medicare Part D doughnut hole, reducing the deficit, and expanding coverage for others; positive things that should have at least partially mitigated anger over the “cuts.” But despite all that, senior citizens were still furious over it, and strongly punished Democrats at the voting booth.
Cutting Social Security will be dramatically worse for Democrats
With that in mind, a Democratic plan to cut Social Security would likely be even more politically destructive to Democrats among senior citizens. Unlike with Medicare, there is no real waste or overpayments to private insurance companies in Social Security to trim. Any cost saving reforms to Social Security must actually be straight-up cuts in benefits.
Similarly, Democrats placed the unpopular savings from Medicare in an omnibus bill meant to address the long-time Democratic goal of health care reform. The result was that the Medicare saving had many defenders who, even if the didn’t care for the Medicare reforms, thought them necessary part of the coverage expansion and insurance reforms they supported.
Cuts to Social Security will not even have these limited political upsides. There will be no Democratic base to defend cuts to Social Security like they did the Medicare reforms put inside the health care bill. Most importantly, it will make inevitable the ads about how “Democrats cut billions from your Social Security benefits” irrefutably true, unlike the Medicare ads this last cycle.
Social Security is called the third rail of politics for a reason. If Obama touches it, he will destroy the Democratic party in 2012.
After looking at the senior vote in 2010, one can only conclude that any attempt by President Obama or Democrats to reduce Social Security benefits would be a political disaster. Polling indicates that a majority of Americans strong oppose raising the retirement age, and I can only assume the idea is even less popular among those about to retire.
Democrats attempted to simply reduce waste in Medicare as part of health care reform, and it caused voters over 65 to reject them en masse because it was framed by Republicans as a cut in Medicare benefits. If Democrats promote actually cutting people’s Social Security benefits, I have every reason to believe their losses among seniors citizens in 2012 will make their historically poor performance in 2010 look small in comparison.



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Judging by the public response to this so far it won’t just be seniors mad at the Democrats.
Dump this fucking clown now.
Who the eff cares about “Democrats at Polls”!
It will be “disastrous” for all those who depend on Social Security and Medicare – present and future.
THAT’s who it will be “disastrous” for!
The asshole has already touched it. Fuck, he’s sitting on the third rail, thumbing his nose at us.
the CATFOOD COMMISSION proposal is very dangerous!!!
Erskine Bowles, Alan Simpson and the other players in this sick play, did not waste a whole year working on how to cut SOCIAL SECURITY, to have their plan stop on ACT ONE
what we witness to day was ACT ONE “THE INSANE ROLL OUT”
ACT TWO is going to be Obama and his phony players making this proposal SANE. Obama under stands the art of the CON very well.
If the USA had a real deficit problem, a rational politician would say, you know the USA military is getting enough money yearly to fight the SOVIET UNION, but the SOVIET UNION is a thing of the past.
We must enjoy ACT ONE, all the players are re-acting according to plan.
Remember this simple fact when you want to fix a REAL problem, you get the best and the brightest to SOLVE it.
When you want to fix something that is not broke, you find the best crooks in the business, thus you have the CATFOOD COMMISSION, a collection of the best crooks money can buy.
ACT TWO is going to be full of KABUKI, “the attacks on the LEFT are going to be constant” (the MSM will ignore the fact that 90% of americans love Social Security)
Barbara Tuchman once defined folly as “the pursuit of policies demonstrably contrary to self-interest.” This is beyond folly; it’s evidence of a political deathwish.
If KO and TRMS don’t fight cuts to SS and Medicare, they should be banned from the progressive movement. I listened to both tonight and they were pathetic.
I don’t think Democrats are thinking that way. I’ll bet there are a lot of them who would love nothing more than to gut social programs as a revenge trip after their electoral defeat.
Hear! Hear!
Somebody gets it.
This man could have been President. Instead we got Neville Chamberlain, Jr.
The fact that seniors and others bought the Bullshit about a phony $500 billion reduction in Medicare reaffirms my belief that the voting public is a flock of dumber-than-shit idiots. If you’re to lazy or stupid to think critically or investigate wild-assed claims that fly in the face of reason, you should not be allowed to vote.
So now they’ve booted a bunch of nutless, incompetent bastards for a worse gaggle of venal, heartless, pseudo-Christian, super-patriot, ignorant troglodytes. Enjoy the fruits of your endeavors. Stupid is as stupid votes.
KO and TRMS both know what is coming
when you hear people call OBAMA a progressives or a lefty, lights should go off in your head saying “i am speaking with the enemy”
no rational person would call Obama a progressive or Liberal “especially people like KO and TRMS who know better
what all americans have to keep in mind is this simple fact, the top 1% now controls 24 % of the wealth of the USA, this just does not happen by chance.
by the way the bottom 46% of americans, have no assets or wealth
and you thought it was morning time in the USA
I have to wonder who will defend this dip stick at his impeachment?
What, they’re supposed to see through a lying mother fucker in the WH?
We’ve got to get action planned and organised to this. Something other than just another DC march that gets ignored.
We could all send cans of 9 Lives to the WH.
Is this acceptable to the Tea Party? Maybe their ready for some rational strategy?
Chimpie
what you say is very true
but
it comes a time when intelligent progressives must wake up and use these mindless americans to help promote progressives ideas, just like the elites do.
Bloomberg says most tea partiers don’t have passports and can’t spell washington. He said I didn’t, he knows, it all about controlling the mob
with a little help from progressives, the tea party could destroy the GOP
Yep. If O cuts Social Security, that gaggle of venal, heartless, pseudo-Christian, super-patriot, ignorant troglodytes will grow dramatically in 2012 and take over all three branches of government again. Can’t wait for 8 more years of Cheney.
And Clinton got impeached for a blow job? Criminy!
20 years ago I just watched network news and was just as clueless as them.
Nobody has made any real effort to teach most people about propaganda and independent thinking.
not likely
Hey, I would rather Barry was getting blown by the Dallas cheerleaders every night. If he did what he promised, I would support him.
Obama and FDR have one thing in common: they’re both traitors to their respective classes.
I heard a discussion on Pacifica Radio today wherein the esteemed guest noted that that giving people information doesn’t result in better choices. She noted that since McD’s started listing calorie counts on their menu, people starting buying more of the high calorie crap.
As opposed to giving them to Wall Street.
And she is comparing that to politics? Wow.
I prefer dead cats.
They’re already banned from this progressive’s tv.
The blind cheerleading is nauseating AND infuriating, especially when so many so called ‘progressives’ place them in such high esteem.
That would just confuse them. They’d think we were critisizing their stimulus policy.
Before I get trashed, I don’t mean I want to kill cats. Just send them dead cats.
Rachel will, law degree or not.
Cats that died from TOTALLY natural causes — like old age.
Bless your heart.
Cats who had in in their wills to be used this way after long and happy lives.
Yes, or getting blown by the Celtics. (Not that there’s anything wrong with that.)
I think the figure for the top 1% is even higher, by around 10% or so. Plus, it’s not just the percentage of wealth but what is owned. Most of the powerful, really valuable things (mineral rights, patents, stock, factories, etc.) are not owned in any way by most US citizens.
And link: http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html
And had access to every life-prolonging intervention humanly possible.
Unless, of course, the kittah had a living will.
Yes, no unnecessary suffering — like we’re going through.
But only those who recorded pre-martyrdom videos making clear to us what their desires are/were.
I considered this question today and I don’t think protests to the government work anymore. You need to go to the source, the rich. Send your dead “whatever” to Koch.
I’ve found the government gets very upset when the rich are upset
What was first fairly considered here as an ambiguous statement has now morphed into a drum roll.
In high school, I always found that shitting in, and sending, an important looking envelope — like “You Just Won the Lottery? — did the trick.
She was citing that as an example that giving people information does not necessarily end in those people making better choices. The discussion was about democracy, so there you go.
Cans of cat food is what the Reagan Social Security cuts gave us. Obama’s Social Security cuts would be cat kibble made in China from toxic waste. After all, it is cheaper.
Absolutely, because cats do change their minds frequently.
And kibble has that nice crunch. Yum
Oh God, now that’s brilliant. Though I suppose the Secret Service could run DNA tests on the poo.
Reagan gave us ketchup as a vegetable, too. Barry O really is following in his mentor’s footsteps.
Obama would give the makers of Kibbles a tax credit to send you a coupon for 10% off the product. Expiring in 30 days.
I keep pointing out that SS is not a budget item, and that anyone who claims cutting it will fix the deficit is lying through their teeth.
I don’t know if it will make a big difference, but it might get through to some people.
(There actually was a piece in the LA TImes today that said so, but it seems to have disappeared….)
That’s right, government of, by, and for the ultra-wealthy has no concern for the pitiful wailing of the impoverished masses. They usually figure that if the impoverished masses don’t like something, then it must be really, really good for the priveleged few who own Congress, the Supreme Court, and the White House staff. In fact, they’ll probably want to pass a constitutional amendment in order to make the suffering permanent.
All of our complaining will only serve to convince Obama and his Cat Food Comrades that they’re on the right track!
Barry: “Picky, picky, picky.”
CATamount these Pullosi-punching Pussy-fooders! For CATtharsis, CATerwaul, CATaract ‘em and send ‘em Straight to the CATacombs!!
WTF?
Even the Pres seems quite comfortable with the falsification .
Somehow,they are wanting so bad to get that money to their Wall street cronies….Seems to me it’s a done deal unless Americans get in the streets.
No doubt but the sad thing is the votes of those stupid fuckers will screw over people who have the ability to think critically and vote accordinly. The stupid in this country has become very very dangerous. I hope the old stupid people really do like cat food because when this is said and done they will be lucky to afford catfood.
This is SO sad. The elderly should be the natural constituency of the progressive movement.
Dump this clown now!
Humor me, presisely how would this be done?
http://www.slate.com/id/2274458/
Try this and see what you think. I’m not sure, but would be nice to believe she’s right……..as in, correct.
I don’t know what econobuzz has in mind, but I think progressives should start visibly and vocally seeking out their 2012 candidates (I hear Russ Feingold is available, as is Alan Grayson), thereby making it clear that, as things presently stand, Obama will not be receiving any support from either the professional or the amateur left in the next election.
Of course, he wasn’t interested in our support for the 2010 election, so perhaps he thinks his billionaire pals will just buy him the White House in 2012 if he makes them rich enough and pisses on enough liberals. Even so, it would be useful come primary time for progressives to have someone to chose from besides Barack Obama and None Of The Above.
Actually, no. Although the GOP has consistently painted FDR as a flaming socialist, he knew that the only way to save capitalism as a going concern in the US was to share the wealth a little. Not a lot, mind you, but just enough to stop the increasingly violent strikes that were sweeping the country as workers fought back against attacks against their economic survival by venal greedy corporate thugs.
Obama, despite his supposed prole beginnings, was anointed early in his academic career to be what he became.
I said back in 2006 that if Kerry got in he’d find a way to cut Social Security. It’s basic: Wall Street needs a steady infusion of fees in addition to the drug money that it launders in order to survive. The Social Security fund is a guaranteed money maker for them.
When it was evident a Democrat would win in 2008, it just made sense that the Democrats would take care of their financial backers by giving away our retirement money. We’re nothing to these people and the sooner everyone realizes it we can decide how quietly we are going to go into that good night.
Once again we have an issue where there is a clear straightforward policy option that a supermajority support of the American people but is opposed by economic elites who fund political campaigns. By now, no one should be surprised which side the President is on.
surveys over the years by Bloomberg, NASI, the present authors, Pew, Quinnipiace, and CBS/NYT have all found that majorities of Americans favor raising or eliminating the payroll tax “cap” on high incomes. Most recently, Bloomberg found 78% of Americans saying that removing the cap entirely should be “considered.” Last summer, NASI found that fully 83% of Americans supported “lift[ing]” the cap “so that workers earning more than [the cap] would pay Social Security tax on their entire salary just like everyone else.” This one policy change, by itself, would erase most of the projected future deficit in the Social Security trust fund.
http://www.correntewire.com/deficits_social_security_and_american_public
Oh edit function, I miss you! Second paragraph above should be in quotes.
Amen. I was looking at that post earlier today about the new governors of WI and OH killing federal high speed rail projects and my first, possibly sick, thought was “good, they have it coming.” Its tough to have sympathy for populations that create republican state govt trifectas in a recession. Morons. Of course, democrats wouldn’t be much better. But they wouldn’t kill those projects.
We are truly through the looking glass I fear.
Hey, I hear you. Mr. Bipartisan and Separate But Equal should be entitled to whatever lifestyle choice he wishes.
God bless America….
It is not even Presidents or Congress or Senate Money that they have to decide and btw it is a well structured and well functioning mechanism.
People work hard whole life, save in the worlds super-safe investment away from Wall Street pump and dump schemes, and dipping for their fair share in the retirement. Max anybody pays into the system per annum even if they earn billions in a year is$7000. So, it is primarily funded by Poor and Middle Classes. So top 1% is not getting hurt by Social Security but it inhibits their ability to control 99% of the peoples lives by cheating them their money like bailouts we saw recently.
I do not even trust after HCR bill that we should let any tweaks happen like income cap removal because of bait and switches at the last minute.
If they want to still attempt disregarding peoples wishes then it will be the end of Democratic Party and we will have the experience of seeing Great Depressions again and again, with unimaginable human cost with possible swings to FAR Right or FAR left till a new FDR comes along and fixes it.
We must elect a new progressive party. The Dems are completely off the reservation as they say. They give us crumbs while they help steal everything. The two party system is a charade. We will never retain our rights and the middle class lifestyle while playing the two party game. The game is rigged, we can’t win
Charlie Chaplin eating a shoe. Happy Thanksgiving yall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtZTIwSIuGw
Dems have apparently made the decision to concede the game and let the Repubs run things unhindered. Reminds me when Bush lied us into a war and authorized torture and Nancy Pelosi made the entire nation and the our representatives stand down with the “Impeachment is off the table”. She didn’t even let the country have a conversation about it.
The Dems are under the complete control of the shadow government and the gloves are off. Both parties are taking the people down and selling us out. One day these people are just gonna sell the country to China and move to South America. That seems to be pretty much where we’re headed.
I may be missing something, but the ‘suggestions’ from the Commission linked to in the Slate article don’t include anything about any kind of reduction in Social Security (and if you read the article carefully the author says only that the co-chairs favor such reductions, not that they are actually included in the semi-official proposal that just got released and allegedly will be voted upon).
There’s plenty to question in the proposal anyway, of course, but the absence of any thing related to SS is curious.
Hey, c’mon: is the mere mention of SS or DHS goons sufficient to shut off this enjoyable brain-storming?
Especially since there’s such an obvious (and singularly appropriate) response to the threat of DNA testing: send CAT poo (the embedded particles of cat litter would just make the gift all that much more relevant).
We’re now (regrettably) down to 3 cats from our previous 6, but still have plenty to give away should anyone want any…
what do you mean one day? they are doing it now. They are stealing it all. NOW! lol. Proof Democrats are Republicans and vice versa. no difference. i can vote for anyone one and it won’t make much difference. think of it. Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee! God’s chosen people. If this don’t qualify as is the apocalypse, what would?
mind numbing stupidity beyond any capacity to deal with in any way, shape or form. who said it had to be in the Holy Land? Aren’t we holy enough after being blessed by St. Ronnie’s?
Jon assumes that Obama knows or cares what effect his actions have on the Democratic Party. But anyone who runs as a populist, but then governs as a corporatist, doesn’t really believe in anything, or give a good goddamn about other what other people think or need. It’s all about about aggregating power and attention to himself, and if crippling his party makes him look statesmanlike and re-electable, well then that’s the only way to go. I would be surprised if he considers himself to be a Democrat. After all, he’s a President! He’s a Decider! He’s above politics! And you damn hippies need to shut up and support him.
You’re reading an incomplete account. Go to CBSnews.com or a few other places for a full report.
The most interesting thing to me was the writer’s opinion that this is going nowhere. Commissions have a track record of inaction; they are the political version of Don’t do something, stand there! How many commissions have come and gone without any recommended action taken? I can’t remember any recommendations implemented. It’s a way of letting off steam, I guess: a kind of relief valve for intense emotions.
We are going broke, but the choices and possibilities for remedy are complicated and politically difficult and potentially destabilizing: Chalmers Johnson thinks the military would revolt if faced with serious reductions. The British are trying austerity as we speak and we’ll see how that goes or whether it goes, at all. I just don’t see SS as a starting point and everything I read that I believe says that the program is in good financial condition and needs little to put it in even better condition. Certainly not cuts or age adjustments. Medicare is fundamentally sound but the Republicans gave away too much in enacting Advantage and Part D. In fact, a rationally structured and administered Medicare for all, clear off Advantage and give the administering agency real, across the board bargaining power, would have been an exponentially enormous winner now and far into the future. But no, pusillanimity and self-serving won the day. People aren’t excited by a Republican looking Democrat tossing a few pennies worth of benefits, at some time in the future, if nothing happens to contravene, to the crowds. Ya know what I mean?
Aside from losing 2012 big time, I wonder if the Democratic Party will even exist when the decade closes down.
I saw commentary about a 50-page report at cbsnews.com (the .pdf the other article linked to was only 24 pages, but there’s no way to know whether it was just paginated differently or actually incomplete), but no link to the report itself.
Since you implied that such a link existed, could you provide it?
I have been a die-hard Democrat all my life–I’m 68–and have never voted for another party, especially for a Republican.
But if Obama extends the tax cuts for the rich and cuts Social Security, I’m done. I will sit on my hands until some Democrat–or Progressive–worthy of my vote appears….and I have ALWAYS voted from the first time I was eligible to do so.
This crap about SS and extending the tax cuts for the rich has been the final straw. I wish I could take back my vote…I’d give it to someone who cares about the American People…like Dennis Kucinich or Russ Feingold. Obama has broken my heart.
All they need to do to make Social Security solvent for years to come is raise the cap from $106,000. Even if they just raised it to $500,000 or 1 Million, that would take care of the problem.
I am fed up with the spineless Dems capitulating to the bully Rethuglicans. Who’s ready to form a Progressives for America party?
I’m in.
“This man could have been President. Instead we got Neville Chamberlain Jr.
(Dennis Kucinich)
It’s time for a course correction in 2012. I suggest Progressives draft Dennis Kucinich again. With Citizens United, it’s probably futile, but we’ve got to try.
ho ho, just send Southern Dragon and Pheonix Woman around on a tour of the old folks homes to regale them about how their votes “belong” to the Democrats, and that’ll fix the codeger problem. /s.
no actually, dear Jon, the Republicrats function as one entity, partisan theatrics notwithstanding. If one part of the coalition has to take an electoral beating to achieve a major goal, the gutting and looting of the last remnants of the New Deal, then so be it. They may get thumped at the polls, but they’ll cash in their chips on K Street, no big deal.
Waving pom-poms for the Washington Generals, sincerely yelling at the Generals on the court that their bumbling against the Globetrotters is going to cost them the game, well, that is more pitiful than playing the game and getting paid, isn’t it?
First you inflate the money supply making the dollar and homes worthless, then you attack all retirement income that’s adjusted for inflation. If the people don’t raise up, you can do anything. Just make sure you keep the cops in your pocket. Got to have lots of cops.
Dempcrats wont care. The rank and file will just spout “perfect is the enemy of the good”, and Biden will tell everyone to stop whining.
He already said in the 60 minutes interview that the Teabaggers were not being realistic if they thought they could deal with deficits without looking at entitlements.
Seniors played an immense role in this result – raising their participation as a share of the electorate to 23 percent and their vote for Republicans by 10 points since 2008. They were clearly spooked by health care reform and the so-called cuts in Medicare.
Wow, I wonder how many seats the Medicare cuts swung. Everybody is talking about the Tea Party, but let’s face it, those were Republican votes anyway. The critical swing group in the midterms were Medicare voters. Who knew that single payer healthcare had so many fans? It will be interesting to see what the new Republican House makes of this
Even if Obama hadn’t expanded eligibility but had simply reformed Medicare so every dollar in savings was recycled into new benefits (or lower premiums) for Medicare recipients, the Democrats would have done a lot better. Naturally the catfood commission wants to double down and cut Medicare even more. Its arresting how large a gap there is between public sentiment and elite sentiment on so many economic issues.