With less than three weeks to go till the midterm election, President Obama has made the inexplicable choice to undercut the claims of many of his Democratic compatriots that the GOP has been taken over by uncompromising extremists incapable of sensible governing. In an interview with Peter Baker of the New York Times, Obama predicts that Congressional Republicans will act more responsibly and be more open to compromise after November.
Obama expressed optimism to me that he could make common cause with Republicans after the midterm elections. “It may be that regardless of what happens after this election, they feel more responsible,” he said, “either because they didn’t do as well as they anticipated, and so the strategy of just saying no to everything and sitting on the sidelines and throwing bombs didn’t work for them, or they did reasonably well, in which case the American people are going to be looking to them to offer serious proposals and work with me in a serious way.”
This seems wrong on its face. If the GOP nets merely 36 seats in the House and seven seats in the Senate, I don’t see why Republicans would want to change tactics. They could even more easily obstruct governing and will make Democratic majorities look even more terrible for being even more unable to govern. If the GOP wins big after a session of being uncompromising, the obvious logic is don’t give up a winning strategy.
Further, regardless of whether this is true or if Obama truly believes it, this is definitely not the message Democrats in tight races want to hear from the de facto head of their party. One of the only good strategies Democrats have right now is depicting the Republican Party has having been completely taken over by crazy tea party-backed fringe candidates. It is a message that Dem candidates can articulate: “you might not like Democrats all that much right now, but the alternative is a party of extremists incapable of actually governing.”
Democrats have spent months trying to create this narrative by highlighting the outside-the-mainstream views of Republicans like Sharron Angle, Christine O’Donnell, Rand Paul, and Carl Paladino. To have the President say he believes Republicans are going to become much more responsible and willing to reach sensible, bipartisan compromises after they win undercuts that message. It defuses a big Democratic argument about why voters shouldn’t support Republicans.
If Obama actually wants to help his party keep the majority, he needs to stop undercutting the strategy of many of the party’s more endangered candidates. The president needs to stop using the”blame Bush” messaging that Democratic pollsters have found actually hurts Democrats running for office.



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After ending the drilling moratorium, I’m now convinced Obama WANTS the Republicans back in power, I guess to help his re-election bid. Idiot.
I think O is planning to pull a Specter after the election. He’ll finally own up to being the Republican that he truly is in his heart. Republicans still won’t re-elect him, but they might at least throw him a bone now and again in his remaining couple of years in office.
Is this guy deluded or what? Terrible, terrible president way over his head. 10% unemployment and he’s blaming his base for his incompetence. Jeebus. Dude’s out of touch, Herbert Hoover style.
Or maybe he’s hoping that two years of Republican mayhem might make us forget how useless the Dems are and bring all of us unenthusiasts back into the fold.
Yeah, Elliot called it. Obama wants the Republicans to control at least one house of congress when he’s up for reelection in 2012.
“If Obama actually wants to help his party keep the majority…”
Of course he does.
It’s just that his party, the GOP, has to gain the majority first. Then everything will be fine.
He’s slowly pulling off the mask. We’re beginning to see the real Obama, and he’s a nasty piece of work: a narcissist with dictatorial dreams.
You know, at first I thought Barack Obama was completely deluded for thinking that he could “find common cause” in any way with the extremist lunatics that the current Republican party has become.
As time goes on however, it actually starts to seem more and more likely. Not because they’ll move toward the center even in the slightest, but because he keeps moving further to the right.
Doubtful. Obama has proven time and again with his cabinet choices and his policies that he’s a neo-con. His notion of being a bipartisan centrist is all about moving Dems to the right to bring them in line with Republicans. He despises the leftward inclinations of the Dem base and I think would happily part company with the Dems entirely if he could figure out how to make it serve his long-term poltical ambitions (whatever they may be).
Why is anyone surprised? Obama hates Dems and is doing everything in his power to help Dems lose. I continue to remind my congresscritters that if they lose their seats, they will have Obama to thank. His bipartainshit was obvious from the gitgo. Now it’s time for his party to turn on him, big time.
This is vintage Obama, on the fence. Why the Dems ever went for him is a mystery. Well, no, it isn’t. Parties and issues don’t matter any more nearly as much as personality, appearance and speaking ability. They lie anyhow, so one never knows. Welcome to the New Democracy, version 2.0.
This is what worries me. Here’s a quote from the ending of the Baker article. It’s basically the plan for the administrations last two years. It means ignoring the crises of unemployment and more corporate ‘solutions’ which means corporate welfare, instead of social welfare programs:
““You’ll hear more about exports and less about public spending,” a senior White House official said. “You’ll hear more about initiative and private sector and less about the Department of Energy. You’ll hear more about government as a financier and less about government as a hirer.”
This is paternalistic, whistling by the graveyard, watching it all fall apart and encouraging the band to play louder.
I shake my head re high unemployment. It’s fucking willful neglect. Seriously. Even Raygun wouldn’t have stood for it.
Catfood, anyone?
Obama cares about Obama and only Obama.
He just threw Dems under the bus, where many others already reside.
We need to get him out in the 2012 primaries/caucuses. He is a miserable failure.
Kind of reminds me of Libby’s note to Judy…the Aspens are Turning…you’ll hear more about bioterrorism, you’ll hear more about, etc..
Obama is a Neocon.
Worse. It is like something out of Plato’s The Republic, in which care is denied to all but the elite.
Obama expressed optimism to me that he could make common cause with Republicans
Um, well, duh. Of course he thinks that. He thinks that he shares views with them, and he does. The problem is the more they kick him, the more he leans their way. Why would they stop kicking him? As he stated to them, he pretty much enacted their HCR plan. Grabbed more power for the executive branch. Escalated a war. More spying power. Less civil liberties. More protection for the elite and banks.
I think Obama welcomes a Democratic rout. Then, if things are still pretty dreadful 2 years from now (which they’d have to be given the millions of lost jobs that won’t come back that quickly), he has the Republicans to share the blame.
He’d also love Republicans to “propose spending cuts every week” like they’ve threatened. Nothing quite like putting definite proposals on the table to cut through their rhetorical bullshit.
He’s pretty much clueless. Didn’t he think Americans would buy into HCR with mandates, no cost controls or public option. The only reason he’s not a Republican is that he could never get the nomination from a racist Republican Party.
Unbelievable.
Again, he’s listening to the right and not to the left. The right criticizes him, and he takes it to heart and says he’ll change. The left criticizes him and tells them to STFU and vote Democratic.
How much more evidence does anyone need to see this guy is NOT a Democrat? Will DKos and places like that EVER be willing and see the mounds of evidence?
He aspires to higher office and …
I hate to think what higher office he seeks, though I fear it ends with “issimo”!
There’s a line between optimistic and delusional and sometimes Obama hops right over it.
The ONLY reason Obama ran as a Democrat was because he knew the Republicans will never elect a black man. The man is to the right of every Republican president except George W Bush and he’s to the right of him on some issues.
“Government more of a financier”
This I can believe. How many more trillions will be shoveled to the TBTF Banks?
I still think he might be a placeholder for Jebby.
Leaps. Springs. Vaults. Rockets.
I think it more likely ends in “obbyist”.
Since getting elected, has demonstrated more political incompetence than Jimmy Carter. And having lived through the gaffe after gaffe of Carter (whom I supported despite same), I can certify that this is indeed a one-term president. At least Carter didn’t lose his base…
This guy apparently doesn’t know what a Base is!
I agree with you. What I meant was that he’s trying to get re-elected in 2012 and it would help if we got a nice dose of teabaggers in between now and then to remind of us how much lesser of an evil he is. He’s not, but I know a lot of people who will buy into that argument.
These comments by Obama cement the claim that he is completely delusional. If the Republicans take over one or both houses of Congress, their obstructionism will only get worse.
We need to face facts.
Jim Shea
“The ONLY reason Obama ran as a Democrat was because he knew the Republicans will never elect a black man”
It is Obama’s great misfortune in life that he is a white, right wing ,fascist Republican trapped in the body of a person who appears to be of African descent.
LOL : ) I was thinking more along the lines of the top-shelf rubber chicken circuit… pulling down big speaking fees to schmooze with the landed gentry around the globe. Kinda like Clinton.
He would never deign to sully his manicure working to make the world a better place like Carter. And I doubt that fighting a losing battle against brush encroachment would suit him as well as his predecessor from Yale.
Who knows what he imagines for himself… children’s book author? Not a clue, but I can guarantee you he will never cast a shadow in a community in need of organizing again as long as he draws breath.
Oh, wait a sec! I got it… he aspires to return to academia where he can pontificate at length on constitutional law side-by-side with his his esteemed colleague John Yoo ; )
Great thread, Jon!
Every time that Obama takes another shit on progressives, I keep thinking:
“Nothing can top THIS.”
And every time, I’m wrong.
That highlighted paragraph that he spoke to Peter Baker was the official surrender of Obama and the White House and of any effort to mount some kind of salvage operation after 8 years of Bush and the GOP, and nearly 2 years of Obama’s sucking up to the same assholes.
I would like for Digby or Kos or any of the other stay-the-course’rs to discourse on this utter cave-in, but my bet is that no syllable of this will ever see the light of day on those Fantasy Island blogs.
Most of the estimates for QE2 seem to hover around $100 billion per month, they mostly vary with how many months. By sheer coincidence (did I mention that I’m a coincidence theorist?) this is about next year’s projected budget deficit.
I think that the only conclusion is that Obama is a Republican. I think it is clear that his philosophy is consistent with the philosophy I would expect from the VP of a small bank in OK (I think that’s where his grandmother worked). The only reason he ran as a Dem is that he couldn’t be elected as a Repub. Thus, all the progressive rhetoric that came out was simply a lie. That is, he is his own Manchurian candidate. Further, it seems that his wife must think pretty much like him – imagine the fuss if she were really a progressive.
I do think we should treat him as he behaves and I do think we need to find way to run against him in 2012. He doesn’t deserve any civility – he is clearly a liar. I have great difficulty seeing any difference between Obama and Bush 43 – why shoujld we treat him any differently than we did Bush?
I have a hard time imagining him re-elected on the Democratic ticket, but then I tend toward optimistic flights of fancy ; ) That’s why I don’t see how more Republicans help him, unless he plans to own up to being one and then they won’t re-elect him either.
Don’t worry, Carol.
What happens on Nov. 2nd, so far from enhancing his chances at a second term, is almost certain to put an end to that fantasy.
As ineffective and incompetent (for our side) as he’s been with those super majorites, what chance is there that he will discover his inner FDR with those margins cut in half? (IF we’re lucky…)
Well, he DID say he’d be happy to be a one-term president.
It was on a Kos diary this morning and the “community” got pretty brutal to the diarist. I don’t know if it is still there, but I bookmarked it.
All the establishment elites fear social upheaval, and Obama has been doing his best to mitigate that since his election. Social upheaval might topple one or even both mainstream parties. Both parties love the status quo, as they each get a turn to fleece the nation every few years.
“Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.” -Hanlon’s Razor
I’m thinking Obama is a bad politician. He doesn’t understand as much as he thinks he does, and is not as intelligent as everyone claims. He may have some impressive skills, but he doesn’t strike me as a great thinker like Clinton or Carter. And he certainly has no sense of ruthlessness for his opponents, he only musters anger and combativeness for his base when they tell him something he doesn’t like.
He doesn’t surround himself with the best and brightest, either. He simply puts his trust in those who operate like he does. That’s another telling sign of a weak leader. Strong leaders relish being challenged by their closest advisors.
Obama’s been a place-holder to cement Bush/neo-con polices in place. Of course he’d rather have a republican congress, he’s shown that all along.
Quite a guy, Mr. Obama
I think it is simply the top concern of Obama right now is making sure Obama is re-elected
If only Obama was a complete idiot, for if he was a complete idiot, then stories like this would be easier to swallow. But, since he is not a complete idiot, we must make the effort to answer questions like these:
Why does Obama want the GOP to regain control over the House?
Why would Obama choose this centrist method when it has already failed and can be expected to fail in the future?
Perhaps the following provides a plausible answer: Obama wants the GOP to provide coverage for the conservative policies he plans to pursue in 2011.
Well, there’s plenty of Blue Dog Dems back at home happily throwing Obama under the bus, so I would guess it’s only a matter of time for the more progressive Dems to do the same thing.
Imagine after the midterms how the politics of a second bank bailout would play out. Anybody that attaches their name to that is DOA to the voters in 2012. Obama will probably push it complete with warnings about the “End of the World” if we don’t bail them out AGAIN. I think by then, Obama will have lost ALL of the Democrats left in DC.
I almost feel sorry for those who are still caught up in the partisan game. They are really in for a shock over the next two years. I think most of us knew it was over quite some time ago. Many things contributed, but the health insurance bail-out act clinched it. He’ll always have his 20 percenters, just like Shrub, but any thinking person just can’t keep falling for this ruse.
Badabing.
“We need to get him out in the 2012 primaries…”
Oh, Tracer; the process is going to start a lot sooner than that. How about 3 weeks from now? :o)
Even if the dems manage to hold on to both houses of congress, he’s still going to be the lamest lame duck preznint in a lonnnng time.
What’s going to be bittersweet fun is watching two things:
People in his administration scrambling to get off the Titanic…
American politicians coming out of the woodwork to challenge him in 2012.
And possibly in the case of Hillary, her doing both of them. :o)
Obama — crisis manager, system consolidator.
It doesn’t really matter, it’s all kabuki. And I’m beginning to think that Obama is a better frontman for the oligarchy than many of those who have come before him. Primarying Obama (which I am certainly in favor of, on principle), gives us one more chance to feel like we can actually make a difference. We can’t, at least not within the current system.
I disagree. I think he is very intelligent and that we are the ones who were caught up in illusions of how we wished him to be. I don’t think we are his base; I think he used progressives and others to get where he is and he is moving on. I think he is being honest about governing from a marketing and PR and public opinion poll based perspective.
Primary Obama with who, exactly? Where’s the bench of palatable candidates who have a ghost of a chance?
Isis, thanks. I didn’t think one of the threadsters over there would put it up.
(and, cool moniker. :o) )
Do you honestly think he will be successful? You are far more politically savvy than I am, but this strikes me as quite possibly the worst tactical choice he could make.
I don’t think we’ll have to primary him. I think that in early 2012there will be a Goldwater-style firing squad going over to the White House and laying out the political reality that if he seeks a second term, that what’s left of the democratic party will evaporate in a steam-bath of voter anger.
And I think he’ll do an LBJ…which will suit me just fine.
Well, he isn’t going to stop me from voting, try as he might.
One of the crutches on which American democracy relies is its ability to cough up politicians who stay within the lines and who can convince the Pöbel that they really are citizens. What, however, would happen if the quality of life declined to such a degree that only schizophrenics could believe that they were social and political citizens? What need would the various power blocs within the government, the military and the economy have for men like Obama, Clinton and Reagan? It’s not as though capitalists, political entrepreneurs and military men are fond of democracy…
Now, with the mark of an incompetent, unprincipled, hack welded onto his forehead, Barack Obama has about a 3% chance at a second term. And he’s achieved that with some of the biggest congressional margins since FDR.
What’s he going to look like after the shellacking that we’re going to get in three weeks?
Freaking unbelieveable. Why would you say something like that? Obama has nowhere else to hide. After the election maybe he will find it easier to govern. But we will be out looking for someone else in 2012. Right now I would only want someone who does not seem to want to actively work against everything the left wants.
Right now Obama has near-zero support among Republican voters. If he governs as a Republican with a Republican Congress for two years, giving Republicans everything they want, his approval numbers with Republicans should come up a little. And the DFHs will all Get in Gear and vote for him anyway. That gives him 268 electoral votes (or whatever) to nudge him over the top. So sayeth the eleventy-dimensional chess board.
I agree with that. I have thought for some time he will do an LBJ.
Doesn’t seem to have held him back much…
Probably not before the election but after the election is a whole nuther story.
This assumes the DFH smoke way more dope than they ever really did.
The real tell on Obama is the things he did that NOBODY liked:
Bail out the banks
Dump single payer and force a mandate
Stay in Iraq/Afghanistan
Which lends credence to the “he’s a front for the oligarchy”.
apparently he works for the rove crue
Lordy! we have to cut them some slack. Obama’s betrayals are coming faster than machine gun bullets..It would take Superman to catch them all, /s
That said kudos to the FDL writers; nearest to Supermen as you can ger.
And yet, here’s the establishment, still seeing through a flipped lens:
Obama the Attack Dog
Is the president’s campaign rhetoric hurting his re-election prospects and the future of the Democratic party?
How does he, or the MSM, listen to all the talk of “socialist”, “far left,” etc., and still think the Repubs will be different after the election? Or well, ever?
“Doesn’t seem to have held him back much…”
True, but he won’t be able to fool all of the people all of the time in 2012.
Please Note: Be appraised that the issue of his geographical origins and variety (the word ‘Black’ or ‘White’ or ‘Asian’ used to define ‘race’ is not a genetic fact or reality and is not a word I employ or consider) was not the point of my statement. I was responding to commenter #14′s statement.
Obama inspired so many young kids to get out and vote, to care, to think that they could make a difference at the ballot box.
After the election, I’d like to see polling on how jaded young voters became, how many come out in Nov. Are there no exit polls anymore?
There are a lot of people in the country, some of them are pretty liberal.
And all it takes for them to win is for us to vote for one them.
DING DING DING!
szielinski hit the nail on the head!
Obama wants cover to savage Social Security, the Internet, Home Ownership, and what remains of the Middle Class. Barack Obama is the Neocon’s Stepin Fetchit.
Either this guy is the dumbest pol alive or the true Manchurian Candidate.I can’t hit my head on my desk anymore!
If Republicans take over, it is likely that they will start to try to get rid of Obama from day 1—impeachment will definitely NOT be off the table with them.
And we should push the other democrats to find common cause with the Republicans, to reach out to them and support their impeachment efforts—it is the “bipartisan” thing to do.
Make common cause with Republicans?
Apparently he has paid zero attention to politics for the last 25 years.
The Republicons do not make friends with you-ever. They seek to destroy you. That is all. He will be destroyed, because the stupid prick doesn’t seem to get that he’s not Republican. (unless that’s his game-and then good show old chap!)
And unfortunately for the rest of us, the Republicans don’t give a rat’s ass if they take the ENTIRE COUNTRY down with them. Soldiers don’t have armor, who cares? Children dying from no health care-who cares-gotta get the “deficit” down. 25 percent unemployment-you are all just a bunch of lazy asses. Social security-get a damn job cleaning my toilet grandma-then we get rid of those damn Mexicans.
Obama is a dangerous fool. The point of being a Democrat is actually caring. Not surrendering to these loons and evil fucks. Because that’s what Republicans are. And he wants to make friends with them. He will be destroyed utterly. And we are going down with him.
Barak Obama, the Nevlille Chamberlain of U.S. politics.
I used to think Uncle Tom; now Obummer’s more Uncle ReamUS!
Warp, the repubs would be idiots to impeach Obama.
The wonderful rehab process he instituted for them isn’t quite complete.
Why do you think that NO democrat running wants to be seen with him?
The GOP will make a monumental brainfart if they try to get rid of the democrat’s political Ebola Virus that’s sitting in the Oval Office. There is no other politician in the country who could have engineered this historic reversal of political power. Why would they not want to repeat the process in 2012?
The party that is going to be trying to get rid of Barack Obama in 2012 is in the jackass suit.
You guys are probably right, but I think he runs again because the plutocrats want him exactly where he is
You know who’d I’d love to run against him in a primary?
George Clooney. A complete outsider, plenty of money and no need to worry about his financial future. Wouldn’t it be great to see Obama in a situation where he wasn’t the most photogenic candidate?
If Raygun could do it for the GOPers, why not Clooney for us? (Forget the “lack of government experience” argument. That would be more than offset by the benefit of being a “true outsider, not a professional politician”.)
“Obama is a dangerous fool.”
I think that’s one of the better descriptions of him that I’ve seen.
John, the problem is, that the democratic party will DIE if he runs again.
Then, the charade of a “two party system” will have to be re-Kabuki’d.
I’m sure he’s very optimistic about his ability to make common cause with Republicans, seeing how he seems to be inclined to embrace most or all of their agenda.
Bluetoe2
iamdave
You would both be correct.
That is a good point.
And given that Obama is following the Republican game plan, they should be happy to keep him in power. But that situation assumes the Republicans will act in a sane manner, which is something I wouldn’t bet on.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see how crazy the Republicans are.
I keep trying to be optimistic, but frankly I’d be happy to hear Obama announce he’s giving it up in 2012. He’s been a total disappointment.
I agree with the sentiment that the Repugs would be foolish to impeach him because he’s their BFF. But,they’re Repugs,damn ingrates.
Tune in, turn on, sell out. Or something like that.
And exit polls are only for countries whose leadership we don’t like.
Maybe Obama and his buddy lieberman have made a deal with them against the party. He will go along with social security privatization, and union busting and all their culture war shit if he dumps his fellow democrats, and in return the republicans won’t impeach him. If that is the case hopefully the democrats will realize they have been stabbed in the back by a republican mole, and will ditch him, and the party.
Watch the Republicans lure him into championing cuts in Social Security. Then watch them destroy the Democratic Party when they come at them from both left and right in 2012.
Well, if they’d just kill the party I could see a silver lining but I’d sure hate to sacrifice Social Security just to get rid of a party that has become cowardly, corrupt and clueless.
“…which is something that I wouldn’t bet on…”
Actually, Warp, me neither.
I mean, their froth-at-the-mouth lunacy is depthless. It’s like with the paranoia among some libs who aren’t too sharp, politically; they have nightmares about the repubs nominating Sarah Palin.
I have wet dreams about it, and NOT because she’s physically attractive.
:o)
That, or something like it, is the only thing that can stem this Obama-generated tide.
Christine O’Donnell is the latest example.
When it counted, a lot of repubs with minumum drool on their chins, were predicting that if she beat Castle for the repub nomination for Biden’s old Senate seat, it would be a disaster for them. She did, and it IS. :o)
Now that it’s a done deal, and Coons is leading her by 17 points in the polls, they’re all licky-face with her, trying not to piss off the full-on crazies. :o)
All the talk of masturbation/witchery around O’Donnell?
That deadly little clip of Palin saying in 2006 that she would support a constitutional change for Alaska that would require women pregnant from rape or incest to carry to term, is still up on YouTube.
I go there when I need a little pick-me-up. :o)
Conviction in the Senate requires a two-thirds majority, and that isn’t going to happen. Impeachment in the House could, of course, though they would actually have to come up with a high crime or misdemeanor to accuse him of. The only possible charge I’ve heard of is making some sort of deal with Sestak, and nobody has implicated Prez O himself in that, AFAIK.
LOL
Clooney is an Obama supporter and booster and will never do it.
That was the deal with HRC. He becomes first black president, destroys Social Security so she won’t be tarred with the deed like Bubba is with destroying welfare, Hillary primaries him in 2012, he loses, and she becomes first woman president and Social Security is already ruined.
Win-win. Manchurian president.
And yet the machines people vote on can be hacked and there’s no way of verifying results. Who’s gonna prove she didn’t win if the numbers say she did.
Hillary is too old. She will never run again. Chelsea, on the other hand, won’t be age 35 until 2015, so they still need a benchwarmer for the 2012-2016 administration. Jeb Bush? I mean really, we can’t have anyone as President unless they’re named Bush or Clinton, right?
Green, I don’t know exactly what he’ll do, but I do know that when those fat majorities get cut to the bone, he’s not going to be able to do anything that will have much effect on the shit we’re in.
People are talking about his instituting some kind of FDR-style WPA programs. That would have been just the thing to do, a year ago, or even 6 months. Now, I think it’s too late…and it’s damn sure going to be too late on Nov. 3rd.
To be honest, the corollary of my disgust with Obama (I voted for him and sent him money…out of my SS check… :o) ) is that I’m not as freaked out about the repubs getting back in power as are most progressives. The way I see it, they’ll be re-inheriting the shit that THEY created, and which Obama has so diligently sustained. I don’t think they can strip-mine SS. I think they’ll need to put ever penny they can in the hands of people of modest means, or we will have a full-on revisiting of 1929.
For some bizarre reason, Obama doesn’t see this, or doesn’t want to do it, despite the fact that it’s politically cutting his balls off, or what’s left of them.
One of the bugaboos is that the GOP will get some SCOTUS seats to fill. I don’t like that, but I console myself with the fact that HIS latest appointee, Elena Kagan, has recused herself from half of the court’s docket for this session. Did Obama not know that she would be legally AWOL that many times? Or did he know it and not give a shit…or did he approve of it? Whichever, losing THIS preznint’s appointments is just part of the big enema that we’re going to get.
Let’s do a couple of things:
Let’s learn from it…
And let’s show the fucking world that compulsively shitting on your political base will put you far down the road to becoming the historic poster-boy for a failed president. Anything BUT that will ensure more of the same treatment for us.
Considering the state of the parties — Jeb might get nominated by both.
It is Obama’s great misfortune in life that he is a white, right wing ,fascist Republican trapped in the body of a person who appears to be of African descent.
That’s kind of harsh. At least he’s not blind. :o)
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Clayton-Bigsby/109981709909
Matt; she won’t get close enough to win. Guaranteed.
Run, Sarah, run. She’s our ace in the whole. :o)
Everyone who goes overboard about the MSM always taking the conservative side need only look at what they’re doing to Christine O’Donnell.
The MSM does favor the republicans, but Palin scares the living shit out of them, too. Think of Couric eviscerating her in the 2008 campaign, then think about her running at the top of the ticket. It would be a feeding frenzy that will warm the cockles of your heart. :o)
She’ll get her 28% and a bit more, but that will be all. Bring. Her. On. :o)
Put it like this: I think that sending Palin money for the primaries will help democrats a lot more than did sending Barack Obama money. :o)
When are we going to quit pretending that Obama wants Democrats to win? Or that he’s actually a Democrat himself? He’s a right-wing corporatist who idolizes Dick Cheney and embraces the Imperial Presidency, just like W, Reagan, and Nixon. He has betrayed the American People at every opportunity, and he’s actively and deliberately sabotaging the midterms right now.
We’d better start figuring out who we can support as a Presidential candidate in 2012, because Obama isn’t it.
I agree. The Republicans have so totally intimidated the Democratic Party that they’ve rendered it incapable of governing.
Jon,
You must be out in CA taking some samples of that new POT Initiative they got going on there. This article is so stupid it makes anything Sharon Angle says look like its from a ready made Rhodes Scholar. The idea that there will be any difference between the GOP and Democrats in control of Congress is simply PSYCHO TALK!
Democrats have done nothing of substance with 255 House Seats (started with 257) and 59 Senate Seats (started with 60). Assume for the sake of argument that the Republicans do not gain one single seat in the House or Senate. Think that is going to change Mitch McConnell’s mind about filibustering everything in the Senate? Assume for the sake of argument that the New Congress in 2011 is as follows: House 233 Dems 202 Reps and the Senate 54 Dems and 46 Reps. Think the Republican playbook will be any different? In the grand scheme of things it does not matter what the Congressional make up is. The Democrats, under the cover of allowing the Republicans to filibuster everything, will continue to lie to the American people and allow the misery in America to continue unabated. Think what you want, but since the Democrats during this Congress have given the American people Tea Party Republican form of government, the voters in their infinite stupidity might as well make it official and put Sharon Angle and Christine O’Donnell in the Senate………………….
Well, I’d say that unfortunately he represents today’s establishment party perfectly. He’s just no better than it is. He hasn’t an original idea in his head and he hasn’t a principle in his heart.
AHHHHHHH, i get it. Barrak is excercising his Jedi Mind Powers. Get it? Barrak say’s something like :”you WILL have tea and crumpets at the White House” and john boner responds “I WILL have tea and crumpets at the White House, and some bourbon please”.. That Barrak is always 5 steps ahead. Hes
“the one” so we mortals cant possibly hope to guess where his stra-teegery will take us. Just sit back and be amazed
I dont thinks its intimidation, its collusion. heres how it works; Republikkklans come in, and steal 700 billion in taxes, then democrats sell the medicare cuts. Repubbys open up torture chambers all over the world, then dems write the torture chamber employee handbook. its a scam
I agree with the thought about Bush and Clinton, but Hillary won’t be too old in 2012, and even if she stayed on at State, in 2016 I think she’d be younger than Reagan when he ran.
But if she stays, then she will be part and parcel of the imploded presidency; no way out for her.
If, as I suspect she might, she’d like to bail before 2012 to run against Obama, she’ll incur the wrath of the Obama loyalists to a point that it might be enough to keep her at State. Or, she could resign early and lie doggo to await developments. The sooner she does it, say…mid-2011, the longer she can wait to announce a run. Of course, bailing will provoke a torrent of (logical) speculation that she’s left to run again, and no amount of denials will scotch that speculation. :o)
The republicans would love to see her get off the Titanic; it would mean that the democratic party would get a mulligan for the same kind of internecine warfare that we saw in the 2008 primaries. The Goopers would be ecstatic to see her declare.
Of course, if she wins the nomination they will do just what they would have done in 2008, which is crawl to the polls on bleeding hands and knees to express their permanent loathing of her.
Realistically, I think that there will be enough democrats who will yank on her leash about how disastrous another run would be for the party, that she probably won’t do it. But she has the bug, and you never know.
At this point, I’m into a black-humor mindset, and Barack Obama has created the venue for this lunacy, with the vacuum he’s brought to the presidency. I plan on enjoying all the treachery; the back-stabbing; the fingerpointing; the lying bullshit…I feel like I’ve earned it after all my years of fighting the good fight as one grain of progressive sand in the progressive bucket. (The one that Obama’s using as a chamberpot…)
Righto, Green’:
All they had to do was whisper the word “filibuster”, and Obama rolled over and peed himself like a little puppy.
:o(
With each new action (or rather inaction) by Obama that helps the Republicans, the more I thing that Johan Galtung may be onto something — that he is a megalomaniacal personality who thinks he is the one to bridge the gap between Democrats and Republicans — hence his complete failure to help Democrats in the election, and his continued slapping in the face of the progressives who got him both the nomination and the election. See Democracy Now’s interview with Galtung for the analysis of Obama. And remember that this is one of the very few guys who correctly forecast the fall of the Soviet Union — in 1980. http://www.democracynow.org/2010/9/16/johan_galtung_on_the_wars_in
If he caves enough to the Republicans he thinks it just might turn him white.
Oh, yeah, I can go there too. I have figured out how fixed and phony their laments are that they’d sure love to deliver for us if they only had 100 votes in the Senate.
“Jeb might get nominated by both.”
That’s wicked. :o)
Barak Obama is the Steppin Fetchit of U.S. politics. A hundred years ago he would have been making his living in minstrel shows entertaining white audiences. A black man in white face in black face.
Has anyone ever bothered to look into how effective a “community organizer” he was. My bet, abject failure.
Well, to be fair, they didn’t start with 60.
Specter was still officially a Republican.
Franken’s case was tied up in court for 6 months, and there was always the chance something could have gone wrong.
Kennedy made it to the floor to vote for cloture on the stimulus package, but I think that was his last vote.
Byrd was an old man in poor health, and while he was a reliable vote, there were a number of votes he couldn’t get to the floor for.
So they had about 56.5 votes, among them Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Lincoln.
They didn’t have much more than a bare majority to work with in the first place. The problem was that they didn’t seize the opportunity to reform the filibuster at the start of the session. If they had been serious about using their majority to do the Peoples’ Work, that should have been their legislative strategy. They probably didn’t have 51 votes for it, though. Dodd, at least, has come out strongly against reform since then. There are probably others. And their strategy was “bi-partisan-lovey-dovey”. And they don’t, for the most part, give a rat’s patootie about the People.
I read somewhere that the church he organized through was very conservative.
Obama thinks he’s the black Abraham Lincoln, an ego that knows no bounds. What he forgets is that Lincoln had to destroy his enemies, the South, before he could take on a posture of “malice to none.”
Hillary Clinton, born 1947. In 2016 she would be 69. At the end of two terms she would be 77.
Reagan is an example of an old man getting elected, but he also had Alzheimer’s before the end of his second term.
You need to finish your second term by the time you are 70. This isn’t the Senate, where they can wheel you in in a wheelchair and nudge you when it’s time to vote. There are physical demands (not the least of which is sleep deprivation) to the job, and the elderly just can’t cut it.
For VP you need to expect to serve eight years, then be the likely candidate for Prez after that, then serve another eight years. 54 tops.
Obama is indeed a megalomaniac.
If you think that Hillary is the answer to the problems facing the U.S. then you must still be dropping acid.
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I don’t see that I said anything positive about her. I pointed out that she is too old. And she is. That does not imply that that is the only issue.
I promise you; at least in 2012, age is not going to be what stops Hillary Clinton from resigning as Secretary of State to make a run for the democratic nomination for president.
If she doesn’t do that, it will be because she understands several things:
How divisive it would be for a party that is already badly wounded by Barack Obama’s unprincipled incompetence…
That her chances of convincing the loyalist Obama supporters to vote for her would be lousy…
That the party leadership would be imploring her not to run.
Now: If Obama, sometime in early-to-mid-2012, announces that he won’t run, then that makes it a different story. She won’t appear as a back-stabber, and that will help a lot. Whatever happens, I just don’t see how he can run again; the political capital that he would need to do it is going to be non-existent.
Interesting link, thanks…
AMY GOODMAN: What is your assessment of President Obama?
JOHAN GALTUNG: I have never believed in him. Never. I have lots of editorials and things written in the election year. I think that I sense something slightly megalomaniac in him, which is disturbing. The idea of being able to unite all of the US, just as he unites skin colors and faiths and origins in his body, and for that reason, leaning over backwards to negotiate with the Republicans and taking on Republican points, whereupon the Republicans vote no. Now, maybe the Republicans will now change from being a “no” party to some couple of “maybe” or “yeses,” maybe. But in the meantime, he has lost the support of the people who are voting for him. If I had been working like mad in 2008 to get him elected, because of some beauties in his rhetoric, and had experienced what I have experienced now, I would not work for the midterm elections.
What a pathetic loser Obama is.
Who can we run for President in 2012? Bernie? Feingold? RFK Jr.? Ideas?
That’s why I suggested it should be a “bipartisan” deal. With 100% of Republicans, it wouldn’t even need that many Democrats to jump ship.
Not that I really expect that kind of thing to happen—but it would be pretty cool if it did. And I’d support it.
They can accuse him of whatever they want, as long as they vote to impeach in the end. As far as I know, there is no other faction that can come along and rule that “this is not a legitimate crime for an impeachment.”
It may appear that he got a late start on the campaign trail. He actually has gotten an early start on his 2012 campaign. This interview is a perfect example. He is not fighting for the Dems to win the House or even the Senate. He is campaigning as the transcendent figure bridging the Gap between Repubs and the effin retards in his party. He thinks that having the Repubs (the crazier the better) will make the case that we need him to stop them. Everyone asks how can they expect to have the base enthused when they do these things? The answer is very simple. They don’t want us enthused until 2012. The country may suffer, but they think they have their best chance at re-election with at least a Repub controlled House.
Prez O still has something like 85% approval among Democrats. With a more Republican Congress for him to run against he can hold most of that. AAs will turn out to vote for him again. Young people, maybe not. The nomination is his if he wants it, and he will.
Winning the general is another story, but I expect the Republican Party to be nearly non-functional in two more years. Don’t underestimate the power of incumbency for a President. Flying around in AF1, everybody stands and salutes and they play Hail to the Chief when you walk in, you speak to the nation from the Oval Office. You can’t buy that sort of image. Not to mention lots of money.
Who hasn’t won re-election? Bush Sr. lost because of Ross Perot. Carter’s victory was an abberation due to Watergate, then he had a tough fight against Kennedy, and he was working in the face of the Republican demographic bulge reinforced by the Dixiecrats. Ford was never elected in the first place. LBJ was elected after finishing Kennedy’s term. Truman served almost two full terms. Hoover was a one-termer, maybe this Depression will be bad enough to deny Obama a second term.
The demographic trends are running against the Republicans. This will be their best election cycle for a generation or more, and I don’t think they’ll do all that well this year. They will screw around trying to nominate some Teabagger or other, and nobody serious will even run. Palin is known not to be able to follow orders, she can’t win a primary in a large state. DeMint has no appeal outside of the Confederacy. Gingrich is a joke. Fundies won’t vote for Romney. Who else have they got? The 2012 race starts in three weeks, and they’ve got nothin’.
We will have Prez O to kick around for another six years.
Well to be fair, they passed Health care through using reconciliation, which requires 51 votes (including the VP). Ryan has already stated that is how they will get around any opposition from the remaining Dems. They could have used reconciliation for the tax cuts, since that was how they were originally passed. They have the largest majority in the Senate in modern history. See if not having 60 even slows down the Repubs.
Yes, he’s out of touch and yes, he’s deluded, but he will be delighted to have a Republican Congress because they and he are in sync. Not that they won’t be equally delighted to ride his ass until he’s out of office, but he’ll be kissing theirs all the way thru and out. Perverse, isn’t it.
I agree that Hilary is not going to be too old to run, especially in 2012.
I also agree with the point that there are other major problems with Hilary.
IMO, Hilary as President is just as bad as Obama as President. If that is the trade we are talking about, then we might as well not bother.
I will not vote for either one of them in 2012. If that is my option, I’ll vote 3rd party (Green), even if the Republicans run Palin.
I would love to hear what Nancy Pelosi really thinks of this guy. Of course it’s possible that she doesn’t think of or about him much at all. Insignificant.
I don’t expect the Republicans to have more than 45 Senators this cycle, and you aren’t going to get 22 Democrats to vote against their own guy. Not gonna happen. Obama isn’t an outsider, he’s the establishment now.
If Barack Obama thinks that the Republicans somehow will fall off their horses on the road to Damascus and see the light and turn to bipartisanship he is God-damned fool and unworthy of leadership of the Democratic Party.
I just returned from a Congressional debate in the Michigan 7th district, and there is no fucking way in Hell that the Republican candidate will compromise with the Democrats.
Actually, they passed Health Care with 60 votes (“Give Lieberman whatever he wants”), then the add-on through reconciliation.
The Republicans would need control of the House to use reconciliation, and I don’t think that’s going to happen.
The Man from New Amsterdam
Petraeus was born in Cornwall-on-Hudson, New York, the son of Miriam (née Howell), a librarian, and Sixtus Petraeus, a sea captain.[15] His mother was American and his father had immigrated to the United States from the Netherlands during the initial phase of World War II.
http://www.livingroomcandidate.org/commercials/1952/the-man-from-abilene
Generals who don’t win their wars don’t get elected. Washington won, Grant won, Eisenhower won, (am I missing anyone? Jackson?). OK, he may run, maybe even get nominated. “Look what a great job I did in Afghanistan!”.
EDIT: Oh, and if he is going to run, he needs to resign like, now. The election starts in three weeks. He can’t sit on the sidelines for a year and get any traction. He just accepted a new command, and he can’t run out two months later. Maybe he will be up in 2016.
Ralph Nader predicted the past two years on election night 2008 and was roundly criticized for the “Uncle Tom” characterization. The Fox guy was harder on Ralph than on the fellow who had just beat W:
The 2012 nomination is Obama’s if he can convince the rest of the democrats in congress to commit political suicide.
Why on earth do you think that Obama’s going to be more effective after the mid-term shellacking than he is now?
With the loss of clout that he’s looking at, he’s going to have to ask John Boehner for permission to go take a leak. Do you really believe that the democrats will WANT him to run again?
Even an incumbent president needs some political capital, and Obama’s is running down his leg, as we speak.
Warp, I agree back; Hillary is not an option for me.
And as I said, she’s more incapable of uniting the democrats now, than she was in 2008, and that is going to be the big problem in 2012; finding someone who can bring us back together. Tough row to hoe.
Pssst! It won’t be Barack Obama.
That’s an interesting, and unfortunately very viable and likely scenario. I, too, would hate to see the gutting of SS as the price we have to pay for a real, new, progressive party.
Wow. You and greenbell may have really zeroed in on the truth.
I checked out your link. I am speechless. Let’s see if we can find a few birds of the same feather. Nope, that takes the cake. It’s hard to believe. Are you sure this isn’t someone’s idea of a terribly bad joke?
In theory you don’t need a candidate – you can primary him with a fucking ham sandwich if enough people write in “ham sandwich” (or in a more practical sense – vote for an Uncommitted slate of delegates).
Is this what it means to be a Democrat? Eternal excuse making? I have no sympathy for those bozos. If Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman want to be Republicans, kick them out of the Democratic Caucus, change the rules, and vote by majority status. The time for excuses has long passed. Now is the time to govern. If they can’t or refuse to do it, remove them from power.
Ha ha, I wondered how many people wouldn’t be familiar with the Chappelle show skit (yes that’s Dave Chappelle in the pic).
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=24400&title=frontline-clayton-bigsby
Chappelle’s President Black Bush is even better (his buddy Black Tony Blair looks suspiciously like Jamie Foxx). :o)
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=11923&title=black-bush
You don’t understand. Obama WANTS the Democrats to LOSE in November (I’ll get to the reasons later–the reason has to do with his goal of winning a second term).
We have all the following examples that provide proof that Obama is trying to undermine the Congressional Democrats’ reelection efforts:
1.) Obama slurs the progressive base repeatedly via Gibss (“drug addled” etc.) and through his own statements (eg. his scolding of Democrats for being lazy or stupid or something if they do not vote Democrat in November) just before the Congressional elections, thus alienating and demoralizing his base.
2.) He is FEEBLE in his actions to shore up the Congressional Democrats in
their election bids. eg. Proposing a $50 billion infrasture bill, big deal. His feebleness in making the poll numbers go up for Congressional Democrats is similar to his feebleness in supporting the public option and taking real action against BP in the Gulf oil spill. (Remember those?) Obama is a very aggressive man, as when he is running for his own presidential election and fighting Hillary Clinton. So when he is feeble, it is because he WANTS to be feeble. (Remember his feebleness in the public option fight eg. not fighting for it and not punishing the Blue Dogs?)
3.) And now his statements that undermine the Democrats’ prime claim that the Republicans are extremists.
Obama’s game plan is to have Democrats lose Congress. That way, his chances for being reelected in 2012 will be increased because Congress will be in Republican hands by then, and more progressives will feel pressured enough to vote for Obama.
(Also, with Congress in Repub hands, Obama can then feel free to become VERY liberal because he knows his proposed measures will never pass.)
Peoples, Obama knows he has lost his progressive base, and he knows there is no way he can win re-election to a second presidential term without his progressive base. That is why Obama wants Democrats to LOSE Congress this November, so that come 2012, the entire government will be in Republican hands except for the presidency, and progressives will be panicked and pressured enough to be forced to vote for him. (Imagine being faced with social security privatization, unless Obama vetoes it.) Progressives won’t want the entire govt. to be Republican. That way, Obama will gain back some measure of the progressive votes he has lost.
So, my advice for progressives is, do not let Obama influence your vote for Congressional Democrats. Vote for democrats this election, but do NOT vote for Obama in 2012. Do not underestimate the cynicism of Obama. I have been so right about him in the past, as during the primary vs. Hillary, I thought he was a “conventional politician” and a “corporate Republican” who will not fight hard for people.
As proof that I am right this time, my PREDICTION IS: right after the Congressional elections in November, Obama will become VERY LIBERAL. And he will be working VERY hard, since this time he will be working for his own reelection. He will be starting his 2-year campaign to be reelected to a second presidential term.
Progressives have already been FOOLED. Do not ever be fooled by Obama again. Never vote for him. But for now, vote for Congressional Democrats.
Do not underestimate Obama’s cynicism and Machiavellian qualities. He wants Congress to lose just so he can win a second term to the presidency. Wow. Breathtaking. There is no other explanation of his feeble and stab-you-in-the-back behaviour. I have cited the evidence that can lead one to think Obama has this strategy. (See how utterly relaxed he seems lately although his own party seems at the cusp of losing power? He is happy because the Congressional Democrats are about to lose.)
Wow! You had me worried for a few minutes. I thought the collective I.Q. of the human race had taken one hell of a hit.
I trust you are aware that my remarks were not a question of geographical variety (some would call it race-a term I abhor. Homo sapiens sapiens are almost identical genetically speaking, and therefore to demean any person based on exterior characteristics is the first step down that dark road of prejudice and bigotry. And we know where that goes.)
Shall we just say that sometimes you just don’t get what you politically paid for.
this!
Not making excuses, just stating facts. They never had 60 votes except on paper, since Kennedy couldn’t make it to the floor for votes. More specifically they did not even have 60 votes on paper at the start of the session.
When they were making their legislative strategy they should have said to themselves “we only have about 52 solid votes here, we need to kill the filibuster”. They didn’t. Because they cared more about the Rules of the Club than they did about governing.
They always needed to peel off one or two Republicans to break any filibuster. If you are vote #17, your vote is pretty worthless. If you are vote #60 you get whatever you want. If #60 is on the other team, you end up passing legislation for the other team. To the Republicans’ credit, they made the Democrats pay a huge price for everything they managed to pass.
Now having watched both skits in their entirety and not just scannning the titles, I compliment you on your Grendelarian sense of humor.
They were great. Thanks. you made my night!!!!!! What planet did you say you were from?
I was in DC this afternoon and I found myself standing in front of the WH just staring in disbelief that just two yrs. ago I had been so full of hope and now here I was standing looking at where all that hope has died and been replaced by anguish and anger. A few hrs. later we were standing in a room in the Nat’l Portrait Art Museum a few blocks away that had the original copy of the Obama hope poster in it and all I could think was how ironic is this?
Ditto. Saw two political stickers on the same car today. The first graphically looked like the 2008 flag sticker for Obama, only this one said ‘nOpe’, and the second said ‘One Term’. Whether the driver was a Republican or a Democrat is irrelevent: the message is still valid.
When I voted for Obama, it was the first election in a long time that I was excited about. Now, abject disappointment.
Yeah, but (as evidenced by this very thread) he is undercutting his own party, and seems to be unconcerned with the other Democrats—why shouldn’t they return the favor?
Still, you are probably right that they will back him in the end.
Although, I’d argue that if his popularity goes down low enough, then having his own party throw him over becomes more likely. And I think that if the economy stays like it is, Obama’s ratings are going to keep going downward (rightly or wrongly the president gets the credit/blame for these sorts of things).
Couldn’t agree more Doremus…and I trust Beowulf’s cultural and comedic sensibilities implicitly. three weeks ago he referred me to a little known incident during the Battle of Leyte Gulf that i’m still going WOW over.
i think that’s the first time an “exploding head” FX was ever used to comedic effect in a live action setting… god i miss Dave Chappelle
The irony of my sighting today is that when I saw the stickered car, I was driving my thirteen year old daughter to school and when I saw the stickers, I said to her the Democrats were not happy with Obama: I discuss politics alot in front of her. She then replied, ‘but dad they could be Republicans’. Smart kid.
I am a history buff. Could you give me the link or reference to the Battle of Leyte Gulf? Thanks.
Obama has proven over and over to be the man from Neoliberal, sent from the home office administer a little tough love to American workers.
Health insurance profits have been protected (mandated, in fact), Social security is likely to be “tweaked,” and, most importantly in my view, our cherished public education system is being radically subjected to the most neoliberal agenda ever.
I’m continually flabbergasted when people express surprise over Obama’s affinity with the republicans.
This is fucking ridiculous. This is completely transparent, premeditated self-sabotage. This action by Obama can only mean that he is on board with the parasitic elite project to shrink the government to the point it can be “drowned in a bathtub”. The only purpose of the wars is to drain the treasury and politically divide the electorate, the same with the tax cuts, the unfunded Medicare and the tremendous expenses for Homeland Security and Pentagon, and Obusha is clearly on board with all that. If we had any doubts that he had a lingering conscience, they are completely and permanently dispelled.
Martin Luther King is surely rolling over in his grave. Obama is pretty much his moral antithesis. It’s difficult to believe that black voters could support him in 2012.
Unforgivable what Pres O has done. So much happens so fast, repubs will manage to end voting, as is their plan. It is the last barrier to their horrible agenda. Lifelong Progressive here deeply disappointed with O, a neocon who threw away America’s last chance. Absolute despair.
Steve and Doremus; second the motion.
We can’t even afford to have him run in 2012. If he does, the democratic party will evaporate in a steam-bath of voter anger.
His “legacy” is going to be a political circus unlike anything we’ve ever seen.
Go, Mr. Preznint. You have sat too long for any good you may have done.
Check out the Huffington Post’s story on the DOJ’s position on Prop. 19. If you think you are an unhappy camper now, wait until you read what our dear friend though Mr. holder has in store for California. I say ‘nOpe’ and ‘One Term’. Regards, doremus35.
From the New York Times article:
“Even if I had the exact same Congress, even if we don’t lose a seat in the Senate and we don’t lose a seat in the House, I think the rhythms of the next two years would inevitably be different from the rhythms of the first two years,” Obama told me. “There’s going to be a lot of work in this administration just doing things right and making sure that new laws are stood up in the ways they’re intended.”
As a senior adviser put it, “There’s going to be very little incentive for big things over the next two years unless there’s some sort of crisis.”
So unemployment stuck near 10% is not a crisis? Job growth so slow that at the rate of the first 9 months of 2010, it will take us until early 2020 just to recover the Great Recession’s job losses is not a crisis? Again, that’s just to get back to ZERO net jobs since the end of 2007. That doesn’t even count the jobs that we need to create to deal with growth in the labor force. The banksters undermining our centuries-old system of property rights is not a crisis?
The Teabaggers are even more delusional about Obama’s “socialism” than they are about his birth certificate!