I find this memo from Third Way (PDF) to be comically poorly timed. No surprise they mine any and all data points to claim the need for Democrats to move to the right, but they also claim the path to victory this November is not rallying the liberal base, but winning over the moderates–despite the fact that Democrats have already won over moderates:
The upshot: Moderates matter more than ever.
Democrats can compensate for the votes lost to a larger conservative base by wooing moderates. Moreover, in states with a hotly contested match-up, Democratic candidates need a majority of moderate votes—if not a super-majority—to win or maintain a seat. To preserve their fortunes this fall, Democrats should focus as much (or more) on moderates as they do their liberal base.
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Democrats are right to focus on their base. But just as important to the fortunes of Democrats this fall are moderates. While the middle has always played a pivotal role in American electoral politics, where they swing this fall will certainly decide the fate of the Democratic majority.
The irony is that, right now, Democrats are facing massive losses this November and they are actually doing extremely well with self-described moderates. According to Tom Jensen at Public Policy Polling, Democrats are winning over moderates by a two-to-one margin:
Barack Obama defeated John McCain 60-39 with self described moderates, according to the national exit poll. Our last national generic ballot poll found Democrats ahead 58-28, showing no improvement whatsoever
It’s a similar story in some of the closest Senate races. Obama only won moderates 51-46 in West Virginia. Joe Manchin has a 29 point advantage over John Raese with them. In Colorado Obama won them 63-35…Michael Bennet leads Ken Buck by a pretty identical 56-32. In Nevada his advantage was 64-33…and Harry Reid led Sharron Angle 64-28 with them on our last poll.
The fact that Republicans are winning this election without showing much appeal to moderates is another reminder that the main reason for the pending GOP onslaught is the disengagement of Democratic voters. Conservatives will make up a much larger portion of the electorate this year than they did in 2008 and that’s put Republicans in a position to make big gains without even having to develop a message that’s appealing to the center.
Winning over moderates has not saved the Democratic party this year. Despite the false narrative that is almost sure to follow this election, the problem is not that the Democratic party has moved too far to the left. Voters who consider themselves moderates overwhelmingly prefer Democrats. The problem is that voters that support Republicans are extremely excited to vote while the Democratic party has not made the moderates and liberals that support them excited about keeping them in.
Of course, the problem with this analysis is multi-fold. First, on semantics. The Republican Party has actively embraced the label of “conservative,” while the Democrats have shunned the “liberal” moniker. With most Democratic officials not calling themselves “liberal,” it is no surprise that even voters who support Democratic policies might not think of themselves as liberals. “Liberal” is also an old term, most of the left’s leadership has taken up the title of “progressive.”
More importantly, on a policy front the country is dramatically to the left of what dominates Washington, DC, thinking. A health insurance public option, prescription drug re-importation, ending “don’t ask, don’t tell,” closing the hedge fund managers’ tax loophole–and more–all have the support of huge majorities of the American people despite the idea that these are supposedly “too leftist” to get passed by the Democratic party in Washington. Hell, a plurality of the country actually wants a distribution of wealth resembling socialist Sweden.
Almost every economist will now admit that progressives were right when they said the stimulus was too small. With 9.6 percent unemployment and jobs being the top issue for almost all voters, there should be little doubt that Democrats would be better off politically if they had been more liberal and pursued a larger stimulus. Democrats are not being punished this election for ideology, they are being punished for incompetence in the face of a economic crisis.
This Third Way memo is just the first in what is sure to be a wave of advice from corporatists about how the midterms prove Democrats suffered from liberal overreach, and so need to move to the right (i.e. more tax cuts for the rich). Just remember this: moderates actually prefer Democrats to Republicans. The problem this election year is that Democrats didn’t give their supporters, regardless of ideology, a strong reason vote for them.



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Could O please nominate these people to be co-ambassadors to Somalia or something.
The Third Way is still around?
“…..they are being punished for incompetence ……”
Glad somebody noticed.
Were anybody to ask, I would certainly poll as an unenthusiastic voter. And as some recent articles have discussed, I am far more angry than unentusiastic. But it would be a huge mistake to think that any of that will keep away from the voting booth. I have never stayed home on election day and I will assuredly vote this year.
Never ceases to amaze me how these people pretend not to get it. Dems and Repubs alike know they aren’t representing the people, and they don’t give two sh*ts about anyone but their wealthy donors. It has never been more obvious than since the last election. Obama shoulda, coulda, woulda been the biggest change in the history of the United States, but said “screw it, I’m takin the money” just like everyone else. The worst part is, people (a majority) don’t have the brains to see any of this. It’s all just a blind party cheerleading effort almost everywhere. If we could just elect better Dems…..If we could just do a grassroots influence…If we could just use the vote to wake them up….If we could just if we could just……..Nice to see at least FDL gets it. Washington needs flushed like a toilet.
This will be the biggest long term fallout from the Obama presidency: a confirmation of the Village’s view of what constitutes a “moderate” and what defines what the average American expects out of government.
This guy is a fucking disaster.
I agree with one part of the discussion in that semantics is in play here.’Moderates’ by definition would never vote for a majority of rightwing wackos if moderation were the dynamic that drives how they would vote.I am one of those angry liberals that rejects the ‘vote for us or the Repugs will destroy the country’ plea.What is amazing to me is that anyone with any sanity would vote for the Repugs and put them back in power.Sure their base will enthusiastically vote in droves.But to accept that the ‘moderates’ and ‘the center’ has such short term memory boggles the mind. Pass the popcorn and watch the good ship USA sink faster than The Titanic.Will there be beer?
out here in the pacified northwest, great state of wishy-warshy our Dim-0-bulb Patty Murray is running a piss-in-your-pants we-can’t-scare-the-middle milquetoast campaign against a scum bag dino rossi.
yawn.
she’s the kind of pathetic who makes me “respect” scum like LIEberman – here’s a guy who is THE BIGGEST sell out going, and look at what he accomplishes for his bosses! look at what little Patty Pathetic pulls off!
(Pst! the good she’s done has been good for those affected! from the perspective of a nation of 300 million and a state of 6 million, however, it ain’t shit compared to the evil that joe scumbag has accomplished!)
I’m writing in “Medicare for all” – since there are clearly zillions more “moderates” than lefty pony wishing assholes like me, clearly, she’ll do fine!
rmm.
He can’t even bring himself to pay lip service to what the majority wants government to do now. Accordingly, he comes off as clueless or crooked to millions who voted for him.
Cautious? Give me a break.
Axelrod just said on Face the Nation that more Republican seats may encourage Repubs to work with administration…or words to that effect…
Bwahahahahaha
LS
Third WayVote RepublicanFixed it for them.
talk about wishing for ponies!
the fascists have NEVER worked with the dems, but, they sure have worked them over!
when did the repukes have 60 since Raygun was elected in ’80?
ding ding ding! NEVER!
the repukes will continue doing what they’ve been doing for 30 years – shitting on & pissing on the Dims, ripping everyone off, and laughing about it!
rmm.
Stop the wooing and start the doing …
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2010/10/youre-doin-heckuva-job-browner.html
The source of many problems is trying to woo those who bestow woe.
http://blogdredd.blogspot.com/2010/10/youre-doin-heckuva-job-browner.html
(I say this as a Minnesotan), if the 3rd Way was a baseball team, it would be the Minnesota Twins, able to beat up its own division but surrenders every game that matters to the Yankees.
Right move the party to the right and then there will be one party, one with a radical right wing and one with merely a right wing. Genius.
Axelrod is pathetic isn’t he?
As a Yankee fan,I expected more from the Twins this year. I feel for their fans.Just a little.
I knew we were screwed when our best pitcher collapsed like wet toilet paper in Game One.
As for the post topic: See, the Third Way crew — aka the Clinton/Blair crowd — have dominated Democrat and Labour politics for decades. Third Wayism got its arse kicked in the UK, and finally a Real Labourite has got the helm of the party and is trying to steer it off the rocks of Blairism.
Can’t be a Yankees fan and feel for the competition. You take no prisoners.
It was a massive choke on the players’ part. I love Gardy, but maybe he’s too nice to these guys. Maybe we need to send him back to Oklahoma.
Honestly, are there two parties? Actually, really? What’s the practical difference between the Republicans and the Me Too Republicans? My favorite call it what it is site http://www.stopmebeforeivoteagain.org. Just great stuff. Rummage around, enjoy.
Oh I loved crushing The Twins. But their fans deserved better. Now,if it were the Red Sox -F them AND their fans.
I think they should have disappeared after the last election, since their pet candidates mostly lost.
Clearly they’re slow learners.
Pimping your blog is okay, ONCE.
Obama is planning on going even more corporatist in the next two years than he was in the last two years:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-07/obama-may-seek-detente-with-alienated-companies-as-p-g-blackstone-vent.html
Having a Republican takeover of Congress just gives Obama cover for what he wants to do anyway.
Every team that makes it has an SOB who won’t not win. After the Sixers laid one on the complacent Lakers in 2001, Shaq dragged the Lakers thru the next four games to the championship. He never said so, and he won’t, but the Sixers were a ragtag bunch of second and third team overachievers who didn’t have a fraction of the Lakers’ talent and I believe Shaq was mortified at the thought of losing the title to those guys. It wasn’t going to happen. And it didn’t.
Curt Shilling pushed and pulled two teams to World Series titles. He’s obnoxious but effective and he’s relentless. The engine doesn’t have to be dislikable, but he/she has to be unstoppable. Won’t settle for less. That’s probably all that stands between the Twins and a title. Not talent, temperament. I’m a Phillies fan and maybe we’ll see you in the Series some year.
Most politicians, when they are getting 60%+ of a big demographic, would probably think they were doing pretty well and look for low-hanging fruit elsewhere.
The vision of the DLC people is that they will get 90%+ of the moderate voters and be the centrist party, leaving the Republicans to be the Christian Dominionist Party and the liberals/progressives/social democrats to have no representation at all. It’s their master plan and they’ve been working it now for about 25 years.
Not only in sports.
Yup, that’s what the Twins had in ’87. I think one of their players said that they were too stupid to know that they weren’t good enough to win.
difficult to read this and not think of Jane’s recent post on DNC/WH ignoring clear polling on messaging and continuing down the It’s All Bush’s Fault road
my cardinal error in initially supporting these folks was in thinking they were smart and flexible
thanks Jon
Morning All
believe that was Frank Viola :D
Another baseball metaphor that relates to our current sad state of affairs.
Good piece, but it contains a trap. By arguing that going left is the best way for the Dems to win, it accepts the premise that the most important thing is for the Dems to win.
Being a simple kind of fellow, my approach is different. I want to support candidates who support what I want, Medicare for all, pro-choice, out of Afghanistan, end to torture and dangerous presidential powers, etc. That’s what I’m for, and voting for candidates who support them advances those policies.
Voting to advance the party may not advance the policies, as we’ve recently seen.
Yeah, that’s where I am now. I support people who support me.
Vote for better Ds, then, not just anyone with a D after hir name. And if a third-party would be a ‘better D’, then by all means vote for hir.
Just don’t support the ‘moderate’ Ds who won’t support anything to the left of Nixon.
Just no enthusiasm to come out and vote for either moderate or liberal. Waving their arms just isn’t gonna help. Expect historic losses in both houses. Only the Teas are excited and they see the bright light.
The Democrats and perhaps people in general are more comfortable reliving old battles than facing the reality of the new ones. Pundits may say that this is like 1994. As far as I know, the legend is that the Dems lost the election then because of the failure of healthcare and “overreaching”. So this time, they pass healthcare and they under-reach. Well, they’re still losing. It is sad.
The politicians who try to portray liberals as crybabies are wrong. I’m going to vote for the Democrats. And, as they say, an unenthusiastic vote counts as much as an enthusiastic one. But I feel tremendous uncertainty about what they will do if by some miracle they kept control of both Houses. Are they going to focus on the deficit and cut entitlements, including Social Security? Will they really limit the tax cut to those making below $250,000 or will they cave? I am sure a lot of other people feel the same sense of uncertainty. That’s not a way to win an election. Their running away from what their base believes has emboldened the right wing and will take our country even further to the right.
The infamous oncoming train.
Sounds like Axelrod needs to be drug-tested.
There are issues lying around to be picked up like SS, Taxes, Stimulus, Unemployment, Jobs, minimum wage but they do NOTHING.
the only way the third way scheme works is when liberals vote for third way candidates anyway. Put a stop to it in Novemeber.
I think he is a freaking idiot.
On the Power of NO:
Dump Obama: working today
Not voting isn’t the best choice, but it is a valid choice. I react on two levels. First is the cool, calculator, how does this move affect this or that on the chessboard. Then there’s what’s in my guts. Trying that kid who was captured in Afghanistan at age 15 and torturing him and now wanting to imprison him for the rest of his life …
The Republicans aren’t stopping him from righting this wrong.
“The fact that Republicans are winning this election without showing much appeal to moderates is another reminder that the main reason for the pending GOP onslaught is the disengagement of Democratic voters. Conservatives will make up a much larger portion of the electorate this year than they did in 2008 and that’s put Republicans in a position to make big gains without even having to develop a message that’s appealing to the center.”
Which will be siezed on by coporate sock puppet MSM as “evidence” that the country which is “center right” has moved even “further right”. what is the way out of this dilemma? maybe progressive should leave the politics game completely and invest all the money in buying up a competeing media system. thats what the fascists did.
“Obama is planning on going even more corporatist in the next two years than he was in the last two years…
Having a Republican takeover of Congress just gives Obama cover for what he wants to do anyway.”
Alas, ding!
And then he will be gone.
Whatever we progressives do,
we should not enable/reward the Dems for
blowing us off for the past 2 years.
Third Way = afraid of their own shadow
That’s what we get from people who are afraid of their own shadow.
Fixed it.
Third Way? More like the Only Way, if you ask rich elites.
You could be right. Maybe the best thing would be for the Dems to retain control of Congress, then do all the rightwing things Obama would like to do that you cited. That could be the final nail in the coffin, the final unmasking of the hollow shell of a party the Dims have become.
There you go.
What’s so moderate about them? Can someone please explain?
- Tom
AND Stop the Obamanible Bush Wars! Meanwhile, DEM, the miserepubilkans and the insaniTeas keep gaming US All with worse, Worser and WORST Cop ploys!! Let US Go LEFT For IMPROVEMENT, instead!!!