Several pollsters, such as CNN/Time (PDF), Marist, and Gallup, have been releasing their poll results showing totals for both all registered voters and “likely voters.” The difference between how Democrats are performing this year with all registered voters and how they are doing with the group these pollsters believe is most likely to vote is striking. Democrats are often polling 10 points worse–or more–with likely voters.
Design of the likely voter model has a huge impact on polling results. Normally, in a midterm election, only about 40 percent of those eligible to vote actually do, so determining who is going to be in that 40 percent is critical. In theory, even in the worst political environment, with a “perfect” turnout operation, one party could still score a massive victory if they could get every single potential supporter in that non-voting 60 percent to turnout. Of course, that is an impossible task, one neither party has ever accomplished, but it shows how important turnout is to American elections.
Recently, Gallup and Mark Blumenthal at Huffington Post have tried to examine the issue. For people interested in this subject, I highly recommend Mark Blumenthal’s whole article on the many ways pollsters determine who is likely to vote. The short answer is that there is no one correct method; it is part art and part science.
Some pollsters use a few of these methods, some use nearly all, so there are probably as many likely voter “models” out there as there are pollsters.
The tools that pollsters apply also reflects a philosophical difference I have written about before: Most national media pollsters, especially those that apply the classic Gallup index-and-cutoff model, are wary of making a priori judgments about the demographics or attitudes of the likely electorate. They prefer to set up a theoretically-objective mechanism to determine what a likely voter is and trust it to determine the demographics and partisan balance of their sample.
On the other hand, most (but not all) campaign pollsters — those who (like me in a former life) conduct surveys on behalf of political campaigns — have grown comfortable about drawing on data from other sources and applying their own judgment about the demographics and even the party identification of the likely electorate.
All of these factors help explain why different polls that all theoretically measure the same “likely” electorate can produce very different results.
Gallup recently explained how their method for determining likely voters has resulted in more favorable numbers for Republicans. It is mainly because they are projecting self-described conservatives will make up a historically large percentage of the overall electorate. At this point, Gallup estimates 54 percent of voters will be conservatives. In comparison, in 2002 and 2006, only 42 percent of voters were conservatives. From Gallup:
Likely voters skew more conservative this year partly because the underlying population has become slightly more conservative. According to Gallup’s Sept. 23-Oct. 3 poll, 40% of national adults are conservative, up from 37% in Gallup’s final 2006 pre-election survey, and 34% in 1994. However, conservatives also appear more activated to vote this year relative to moderates and liberals, thus sharply expanding their segment of the likely voter pie.
Of course, in the end, a vote cast by a very engaged individual counts same as a vote from a relatively disinterested. How much the enthusiasm gap will translate into a turnout gap and how successfully the Democrats’ field operation can drag disengaged supporters to the polls are the two, big, unanswered questions on which the accuracy of the poll results will depend.



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The Gallup model is kind of an outlier. Most pollsters are giving Republicans an edge of 4-6% in terms of likely voters. Certainly a Dem who is behind in terms of registered voters at this stage is in big trouble.
I’m voting but not giving any money to dnc just to progressives in Blue America
That video is amazing.
I’m only going to vote for progressives, else I’m going to write in Daffy Duck. Nor will I donate money or my time to work for a non-progressive campaign. Also, that video is hilarious. If she weren’t so intellectually repulsive, I would consider tapping O’Donnell even if I’m only 28 years old. She has decent physical attributes.
Yeah, Gallup is a little more than an outlier. The last time we saw an 18 point gap in voters’ preference in the House was the election of 1932, with a loss of 101 Republican seats to the New Deal Dems.
As bad as things are and as uninspiring as Obama’s been, I think (maybe, I’m not real sure) he’s nowhere near as unpopular as Herbert Hoover… yet. There’s time, though. I think we’re closer to the election of 1930 at this rate :)
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# Gallup: Unemployment Rises to 10.1% on Eve of Election October 7, 2010
(actual a day later was 9.6% – the same as the prior month)
yes – the model does seem important.
“Daffy Duck” won’t tell the Dem anything about why they didn’t get your vote. As long as you’re writing something in, make a statement by instead writing in “PUBLIC OPTION.”
*Put Tin Foil Cap On*
This is how elections are stolen. Polls aren’t just “results” added up anymore. They’ve added a subjective measurment to it, likely voters. Almost everytime they poll, the Democrats “win” on the raw results. It’s only when that subjective “likely voters” is added to the equation do the Republicans come out on top. I say subjective, because it’s just that. A judgement, not raw numbers. They may use raw numbers to make the judgement, but the bottom line is it is still a subjective judgement.
And the thing that always made me laugh was they started doing this when their polls kept being wrong as compared to the actual results. So, of course, it had to be the polls that were wrong and not the tabulation of votes. They just assumed that, as very few vote totals are ever audited for accuracy.
Then, once they add a subjective element to polling, agree on the meme of the upcoming election, they can make the polls say what they want them to, and then make the vote counting machines match the polls.
*Removes Tin Foil Cap*
I’ve been watching the show for 40 years. There is virtually no difference between the two parties, just read the legislation! Both parties strive for big brother government and feed the military industrial complex and the financial syndicates.
I switched from Democrat to 3rd party 20 years ago. As long as they keep you in the two party fold, playing their back and forth game, we are screwed.
fixed it for ya!
the PO was an empty brand, like “Coke adds Life” or “Just Do It!” and as we know, it was pure misdirection from the top of the (D) Leadership, they had dismissed that nebulous entity early on.
Maybe not Hoover, but apparently he’s damn close to being as unpopular as Bush.
h/t-cbl2
First this is not a likely election 40% is to low to many people have lost jobs and homes who had jobs and homes to be expected to stay home.
Next Pot is bringing out young voters in California how many other states have Pot on the ballot? In other states are young voters acting like young California voters?
I spend a lot of time wondering if he even thinks about his poll numbers. He appears to ignore them completely and I can’t figure out why. This is a man who apparently wants to please everyone and is pleasing almost no one and does nothing about it.
Strange.
Next Gays in the Military and the nationwide anti gay campaigns should be causing backlash I would expect more Gay voters this election.
Yeah, strange is one word to describe him. I could think of a few others….
It didn’t have to be this way. He could have worked for us, we the people.
One part science, three parts art, eleven parts propaganda.
From the front page post over on the Great Orange Satan (for Gallup) showing percentages for mid-term years back to 1994:
% Conservative 40-46-42-42-54
% Moderate 48-37-40-37-27
% Liberal 12-16-18-21-18
Yup. Right. I believe that. This is the biggest sea change in the electorate in the past generation. Because, uhhh, Mooslimz! and Socializimz! Or maybe that was just the weightings they needed to create their narrative.
Something like 44-36-20 would be a lot more believable. Still a strong showing for a dying party, but that would be plenty to keep the Dems in control, with which they will do nothing.
I’m voting Democratic, as I have for 40 years, but count mine as one of the less enthusiastic votes.
Maybe because I can remember when Democratic politicians acted like Democrats, instead of just giving mouth music to what their base wanted/needed.
The Republicans have always been worse and crazier, but if the Congress is lost, it will be the Obama Administration who lost it — not me, not some under-read lefty blogs.
In the last two elections, the voters made it clear they wanted real Democrats, not faux Republicans.
The tone-deaf Obama administration and Democratic Congress stopped up their ears, and they are reaping the whirlwind.
Or rather we will, after the Democratic politicians have elected a Republican Congress.
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Glen even with Fox news hyping his Tea Bagger rallies can’t get the crowds the Immigrant Rights people can. If your energized enough to go to a protest you are energized enough to vote.
Next consider the much smaller size of the Hispanic population vs the White population Glen claims to represent.
Its obvious Whites, African Americans, Asians etc all supported our cause went to the protest and won’t be voting Tea Bagger. Sometimes I’m Proud to be an American.
Then I notice the entire media ignores our protests but claims Glen’s smaller protest is a movement.
I was phone banking last night. The list had scanner labels. There were at least 15 choice to mark as to the response of the people on the list. It was too complex to get all that data from the recipient. I noticed the phone bank manager scanning in the pages I had completed. He was a paid employee. I felt he was interested in getting good results for his company. Most were answering machines. The list was likely Dem voters. All the voices were pleasant but short of time. seemed biased to me.
The companies that poll of run campaigns are biased so how reliable is polling? Did not like the company that has lost campaigns for local Dems I worked for. Their timing was behind the curve. We demonstrated for social services and Schwaznegger cut them by a Billion the Dems in Sac caved. Our streets are flooded with unfortunate homeless.
These polls miss cell phone only people right? Just how many voters are cell phone only?
Just how many people don’t answer polls?
Heh, yeah, Gallup is claiming 10% of likely voters stopped being moderate and became conservative instead. Just since the last midterm election.
At 40% turnout of eligible voters, that’s a shift of at least 8 million people. Net. 8 million moderates all became conservative, while there are the exact same number of liberals? So no one wants to be in the middle, but the left is holding exactly even?
I think it’s much likelier a very small number of moderates shifted, but they’re radically oversampling conservatives. But heck, a shift of even a couple percent of likely voters in this country to the conservative camp is still HUGE.
Good catch the number of Liberals should have gone down as the number of moderates went conservative just how do the pollsters explain that?
I’ll vote. I always vote. It’s still a responsibility, even if I no longer regard it as a privilege.
I’ll vote for my Blue Dog Congressman (Salazar), because I’m lucky to have him (R+4 district). I’ll vote for Hickenlooper. I’m not sure what I’ll do about Bennet. My current thinking is that if it is still polling within margin of error, I might hold my nose and vote for him. Otherwise (either way), I won’t throw my vote away on a corporate pseudo-Dem I don’t want when there’s a perfectly good Green (Bob Kinsey) to vote for.
Add in the fact that the Tea Party is in fact alienating many people who were moderate Republicans, and the shift Gallup is predicting makes even less sense (look at a few of the races where a Tea Partier ousted an R and you notice that some of them are not endorsing the R nominee and are encouraging their followers to vote for someone else)
That video is bullshit. I finally watched it. It once again uses that same old tired, lame bullshit that somehow the Democrats OWN peoples votes. THey’re EXPECTED to vote, or “everyone loses.” Clearly trying to insinuate it’s their fault if we don’t do our DUTY to VOTE FOR DEMOCRATS.
Imagine the doG damned arrogance to insinuate it’s someone’s DUTY to vote for a certain party.
That’s bullshit.
Assholes.
I don’t know who thinks this shit up, but between insulting us and insinuating they OWN our votes and it’s our DUTY to vote for them, they must be turning people totally off. I know it’s turning me off. Fuck the Democrats. I wanted so badly to save and reform the party back to it’s FDR roots, but why would I want to save a party that’s full of insulting, arrogant, assholes?
More “liberal elitism.” They know better than we do what to do with our right to vote.
I’m going to vote, but after the last two years, a life time voter of the Democratic ticket is done with voting Democrat.
That’s the DLC playbook. They govern as moderate Republicans to try to peel off 15% or so of the Republican vote, and try to use shame and fear (of the hard Right) to coerce the Democrats into voting for them anyway while giving them nearly nothing.
Maybe that’s what they had to do to get elected during the peak Republican coalition demographic bulge. Now that there are more Democrats, and the young people are trending more progressive, and the Right is morphing into the Christian Dominionist Right, the playbook is changing. Now you need to govern as a progressive, and use fear of the Teabaggers to scare the moderates into voting for you while giving them nearly nothing.
The current crop of politicians won’t change. The have what I like to refer to as Middle-Aged Man (and Woman) Disease – whatever made them successful when they were young is the Eternal Path to Success, and they will not change, they just keep doing the same thing, harder, and can’t understand why it doesn’t work anymore. They’ll still be confused when they are sitting in the rocking chair at the old folk’s home.
It will take a New Wave of politicians, young people, to capitalize on this change. Some of us though Prez O was that politician, but it looks like he is the last ragged edge of the old wave.
It’s also hypocritical as hell. I remember lots of Democrats criticizing Bush/Cheney for using fear (and rightly so). There’s not much difference at all between “Vote for us or the terrorists win” and “Vote for us or the whole country loses.”
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Oh Goodness, the whole point of this is to get busy doing GOTV so that the prediction that Democrats are so funky, they will just sit this one out, is rendered totally wrong. The whole point is to stop letting yourself be persuaded by “what they are saying inside the Beltway” and prove them wrong. If you don’t like the Predictions of the Beltway — well then you have to show them wrong. Simple as that.
Everyone understands that in 2010 the excitement is not like that grand night in 2008. That was day and night to remember. But baby the politics of change is not a one time big upper — it is a life time of passion for the process, that business of being a CITIZEN IN A DEMOCRACY that at a minimum requires your participation.
So step one — Prove all those who have been push polling Citizens of somewhat a Liberal/Progressive stripe wrong. Get out the Vote, and if you can, throw your one vote into the pot too.
How many folk here have forgotten how you felt when the Supremes handed the election of 2000 over to Bush and Cheney? Forgot about how you felt about that?
I watched the video twice and can’t figure out what you are talking about. No where in the video is anyone telling you that you have to vote for either party. Get a grip.
I wish that the republicans had given up as easily as you have.
Good point. Dems should have thought about it two years ago.
MILLIONS think just like me too.
they are measuring a different period of time than the DOL which doesn’t count the last two weeks
Watch it again, because if the message of what party that video is urging you to vote for isn’t clear, you’re not paying attention. Get a grip.
Voting for republicrats just because you always have for 40 years, is part of the problem. The war drags on and it will never end. Democrats are owned by the military industrial complex as are the Republicans.