The White House has no plans to give up on its blame-Bush strategy. A White House adviser says that George W. Bush and his policies created “the hole we’re in,” and President Obama will keep reminding the country of the economic “mess” he inherited.” — US News & World Report, February 9, 2010
“We can go backward, or we can keep moving forward. And I don’t know about you, but I want to move forward.” — Barack Obama, June 2, 2010
Forward not backward: That’s the mantra President Obama wants to drill into voters’ heads between now and November. – ABC News, July 9, 2010
Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg has been conducting extensive polling on Democratic messaging in advance of the election. His similar work in 1998 helped craft the Democratic message about Ken Starr’s overreach on impeachment, which, as I mentioned yesterday, resulted in the first time since 1822 that the non-presidential party failed to gain seats in the mid-term election of a President’s second term.
On Wednesday Greenberg and James Carville released a research report summarizing the results of their extensive polling on messaging that is working for Democrats in this election cycle. It won’t surprise most people to learn that protecting Social Security, creating American jobs and opposing NAFTA-like free trade agreements are the messages most likely to persuade people to vote for Democrats.
But curiously, they left something out of their summary that set off red flags for a lot of Democratic insiders when they issued it as a Democracy Corps”Alert” on September 20. The Alert said quite emphatically that Democrats needed to change their framework in order to win in November. Greenberg buried the lede, but his polling reached a very clear conclusion: Obama’s “go forward, not backward” message actually moves voters over to the GOP:
Not All Democratic Messages Work – and Some Make it Harder
The weakest messages assert we should “go forward, not back.” Voters are not moved by Democratic messages that say ‘go forward, not back,’ mention President Bush, compare then and now, or even that hint the economy is “showing signs of progress.” No matter how dramatically these messages set out the record of Republican obstructionism, their work for the wealthiest and Goldman Sachs, the millions of jobs lost and Democrats’ support for jobs, small business and new industries – these messages falter before the Republican attack.
The messages get lower scores and lose voters. After hearing this battle of Republican and Democratic messages, 8 percent shift their vote to support the Republican, while only 5 percent move to the Democrats. We lose ground. These messages are helping the Republicans.
But, as we can see in the rank order summary of the different messages tested, this is the weakest way to go into the election.
This framework provides the least help to Democrats running in this election, indeed, leaves the Democratic congressional candidate a net 2 points weaker, which we can hardly afford. This is the only framework tested in this project that leaves the candidates in a weakened position.
When listening to people react to this message in focus groups or watching them react to video clips of this message, they respond with a common sense that we should heed. People are intensely dissatisfied with the economy and are looking for solutions – anything less sounds like excuses or some political blame game. Though voters agree the economy was an “inherited” problem, they do not like to hear politicians blaming Bush or looking backwards.
For some, going back to four years ago does not look so uninviting right now: “I was doing a heckavah lot better under Bush.”
“Who wouldn’t want to go back to 6 or 8 years ago? There was less unemployment back then. I’d rather go back. I’d go back to 8 years ago. I would rather go backwards than forwards right now.” White non-college female.
Because a “go forward” framework implies that Democrats and Congress have made progress those voters do not feel, the message re-enforces the Republican framework for the election – a referendum on the Democrats’ performance on the economy. In the experiment described above (where voters read the two Republican messages and the two Democratic ‘go forward, not back’ messages), votes shifted to the Republicans not only on which party can best handle the economy but also on the congressional vote. The 5 percent who shifted to the Democrats was exceeded by the 7 percent of voters who moved to the Republicans – a net negative 2-point worsening of the race.
That’s a pretty remarkable thing for Democratic insiders like Carville and Greenberg to write: that the core message being delivered by the President actually persuades people to vote for Republicans over Democrats.
I spoke with several Democratic pollsters and consultants to get their impressions of the Democracy Corps findings. They said that their own polling, as well as that of other pollsters have confirmed Greenberg and Carville’s conclusions.
So why is the White House pushing this message so aggressively? Those I spoke to said it was tied to this chart:
The “blame Bush” messaging, they say, is imperative to Obama’s own 2012 reelection hopes. The latest Blue Chip Economic Indicators report forecasts GDP growth in 2011 to be 2.5%. Back in February, the Council of Economic Advisers’ annual Economic Report of the President predicted:
- 2010: 95K jobs created per month; unemployment rate=10%; GDP=3%
- 2011: 190K jobs created per month; unemployment rate=9.2%; GDP=4.3%
- 2012: 251K jobs created per month; unemployment rate=8.2%; GDP=4.3%
The people I spoke with said the White House is very conscious that current GDP projections mean that jobs will not be created over the next two years sufficient to bring down the unemployment rate. Therefore, they say the White House believes that Obama’s poll numbers will only hold up as long as the country still blames George Bush for its economic woes.
“The minute that chart flips, and more people blame Obama than Bush for the state of the economy, the bottom falls out of his poll numbers” said one Democratic insider.
Stan Greenberg was a host at the FDL Book Salon last weekend, so I got a chance to ask him about his findings:
HAMSHER: Why do you think the Democrats continue to embrace these messages if we know empirically they’re not working?
GREENBERG: I’ve really puzzled over Democratic leaders stuck in a message that demonstrably doesn’t work. I’m sure there is more to it. I think the president genuinely wanting to persuade that there is progress and the economic team saying the president has to set a tone in order for confidence to come back.
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HAMSHER: [Your] post has really been sticking in my craw. I don’t know why, but it set off my “spidy sense.” It seems like there’s something else at play here.
GREENBERG: It is more to do with human nature. I wrote about this on other political leaders, including Bill Clinton. In 1994, he insisted on running on the accomplishments of the Democratic Congress and the president. Voters were not ready for that argument, but they were by his own re-election. So, more to do with the nature of leaders — even ones very in touch with people.
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HAMSHER: The question then arises, was Bill Clinton pushing a message that helped him lay the groundwork for 1996, at the expense of the party in 1994.
GREENBERG: Some early triangulation. He was starting to talk with Dick Morris. But I don’t think so. I think he believe it.
HAMSHER: Well, that sort of gets to the point that’s been bugging me. If you’re out there hectoring the base and you say it’s because you want to get them to the polls, anyone who has worked on a campaign for so much as one day knows that’s not going to work. And if your messaging is actually designed to drive people over to the GOP camp, and then you’re cutting off support for people in tough races who run against the health care bill, what’s the real objective here?
Rich people generally don’t like to throw good money after bad. There’s a lot of ambivalent messaging going on here, as you rightly pointed out.
The last point was in reference to the fact that the wealthy donors who in large part funded the 2006 and 2008 Democratic resurgence have said they will sit on the sidelines in 2010, another factor having a big negative impact on Democrats running for office. Stan didn’t respond.
I’ve never spoken with Greenberg (or Carville) privately, or had any exchange with him outside of the public ones at the Book Salon. But I can tell you that when I talk to most Democratic campaign people these days, I have to hold the phone at arm’s length because they’re screaming so loud. They feel like they’re being fed into the wood chipper.
I do not know why the President continues to embrace a message in advance of the election that pollsters believe turns voters off to Democrats. But the consensus of Greenberg, Carville and others seems pretty clear: if Democrats hope to win in November, everyone should stop.




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What?!?! O is working solely for his own interests??? Party and public be damned??? Get out. ; )
Color me shocked Jane.
I’m really hoping we can get a solid primary challenger to knock President Pinhead off his throne.
If they had done this from January 2009, and kept talking about “the Bush recession” — sure, fine.
But they never did, and now it’s too late.
It’s an obvious strategy. It’s what happens when Obama believes in his bipartisan schtick too seriously. He wants to elevate the Pukes. In his 11-D chess kind of way he’s trying to show how extreme they’ll be.
connected ?
Poll – Americans Split on Obama and Bush
(h/t P Daou)
Not to worry people. All is going according to plan. The Democrats are embracing this lunacy of “messaging” because they have no tangible achievements (that actually help real people vice wealthy elites) or a true campaign platform to run on. When you have nothing sensible and tangible to run on people, this is where things go, a race to the bottom. And regardless of how looney Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and Carl Paladino are, The Democrats are running neck and neck with the GOP in terms of an election season campaign which totally lacks substance and no one has a platform that any logical thinking person can point to………..
Ding ding ding. I think you just hit the nail on the head, Jane.
We are ALL being fed into the wood chipper. It’s class war writ large. And really: what does it matter who wins? Even the crazed T-party whackaloons aren’t going to make all that much difference, imo. No, I don’t want nutty morons running the country, but they won’t be. It’s the rich Oligarchs, including foreign Oligarchs, who are running the show, as has been richly evident since Jan 2009, when ORahma ascended to the throne of crony capitalism run amuck.
I knew that the blaming Bush strategy was going to be a real winner when Tim Kaine announced it.
/bs
“the core message being delivered by the President actually persuades people to vote for Republicans over Democrats.”
Yep – and that is why Obama is using it.
Jane,
How dare you point out that the Democrats’ 2010 campaign messages, designed to cover their failures since taking power in ’06 and ’08, isn’t working.
When they lose, it won’t be because of their ineffective messaging or because of their failed leadership. It’ll be because you pointed it all out.
well they are sure as fuck not going to be blaming GWB for this !
No COLA for SS this year – t/b announced two weeks before a mid term where Seniors are a significant demographic – ayfkm ? what are the messaging geniuses huffin’ ?!?!
How can anyone read this post — or write it — and not believe that President Obama is tired of the Pelosi power center at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue and thus wants to run against an impeachment-happy do-nothing GOP Congress in 2012?
We’ve said all along that his actions speak louder than his words. Don’t these actions (actually using messaging that drives voters to the GOP!) speak louder?
So Obama just has to craft promises that sound like he wants to protect Social Security, create jobs and toss out NAFTA, and Democrats will win in 2010?
I wonder if he actually has to bother following through on the promises if he wants to win in 2012…
Obama ran hard to be captain of the Titanic. His problem is that in dealing with whites he does not have the self assertion to tell them to take a long walk off a short pier or he could be an honest politician who stays bought. Bush is certainly to blame, but so is Obama for embracing the too big to fail scenario. Unemployment is worry some and the trillions in bailouts could have helped lots, but a lot of the rage stems from saving the rich from the consequences of their greed. It would help if Obama honored his campaign pledge to get completely out of Iraq. In his campaign he promised to lean on Afghanistan, another fool’s errand. It is impossible to put a smiley face on the mess we are in.
The message doesn’t work because Obama spent his first two years talking incessantly about bipartisanship. (You could feel a palpable drop in the nation’s morale whenever he said that word. So much for Obama’s political genius.)
Now, when the Democrats start bashing the Repubs, people think “Wait a minute. If the Republicans are so bad, why did you guys spend the last two years trying to get into bed with them?”
So we’re supposed to “look forward, not back” when it comes to the crimes committed by Bush, but we’re to “look backward” when it comes to the Bush economy.
I don’t see how you can blame Bush for everything but do absolutely nothing to hold him and his actors accountable for what they’ve done. Obama seems to want it both ways—complain that Bush is the cause of every problem, but not spend any effort holding anyone accountable. That might be what’s being picked up on, people may be seeing that the scapegoat isn’t being punished so it’s seen as a fake whipping boy.
That’s how Obama’s attacks on Bush resonate with me, anyway. His words of blame don’t come with any acts of holding someone accountable.
Yup.
And if he’d come in on Day One and put together a laundry list of the myriad ills Bush had foisted on the country [instead of his "bipartisanship" and "let's look forward crap"] he could have focused voters’ minds on how many problems faced the country. Then, by this time to have only made meager progress on some of them [assuming, of course, that he had set out from that same beginning to make progress], the voters would probably be forgiving.
And perrylogan @ 14: what you said.
Democrats don’t have much else. The whole don’t look back strategy was a mistake at the beginning of Obama’s tenure, when it could have been extremely effective. After two years in office with majorities in Congress, it doesn’t wash. It’s just whining. Not a parent in all history who hasn’t heard, “It’s not fair.” Pout, pout. Go to your room! Come out when you’re in a better humor.
Second damn year in a row too, and it’s crap.
If Obama is running against his own party, then that means — more than ever — that there is a material basis for a Dump Obama campaign, not just from us pathetic, isolated left-wingers ( :>) ) but from within the mainstream of the party itself. Say it loud, say it proud, more Obama should not be allowed!
Right on.
It ain’t me Knox, that frankly didn’t occur to me. I just heard the Greenberg piece was setting off alarm bells in big “D” Democratic circles and went over to look at it and went “oh shit.”
Like I say, I contacted other pollsters who said their polling has determined the same thing — “Our focus groups have shown for a year that voters deeply resent this because they think it means candidates are trying to duck responsibility” said another pollster.
At least we’ll all be able to stop paying mortgages very soon, it seems.
“We predict that within a week, all banks will halt every foreclosure currently in process. Within a month, all foreclosures executed within the past 2-3 years will be retried, and millions of existing home sales will be put in jeopardy.” — Tyler Durden
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/janet-tavakoli-biggest-fraud-history-capital-markets
Yup.
Crap, what do they use for their calculations? Could they come over to my house and see how my expenses have gone up?
And does this mean that my rotten Medicare premiums, which sky-rocketed last year, will “hold steady” this year? Yeah, right.
Jane, you’ve got such good contacts and hear such great stuff.
I’m trying to figure out if this latest means you’ll be invited on to MORE of those “news shows,” or if they’ll be even more scared of you.
That was my lame attempt at snark. I was recalling times when FDL polling was blamed for messes that FDL most definitely did not create.
If history is a valid indicator he won’t. He’ll simply be able to say “Look over there” and point his finger at whatever stoopid the Republicans will run then.
I think it is about winning the war, not in winning battles .. this Administration wants power thru 2016 and the best way to attain that goal is to sacrifice the Congress now, thus revealing the GOP weakness’ and splintered message .. just how effective do you think the GOP will be in steering the economy out of the ditch?? .. I believe the GOP will end up feeding on itself should they take the House, thus setting the stage for the “O-team” to rescue the country in 2012 .. just an outside observation devoid of passion and accountability
Part of the problem is that Team Obama, who took over the whole reelection strategy for the Ds with much fanfare just after taking office, has yet to spend any time worrying about anything besides his own reelection. Since he keeps selling his base down the river on legislation that only satisfies corporate lobbyists he seems to think that he can substitute blame for accomplishment. Nearly everyone agrees that there were huge problems that were inherited from the Bush administration but the plan would have been to actually make a serious effort to change the course of the ship of state, rather than stay the course and put on more steam. Blaming Bush might have some traction if this weren’t nearly the same as a third Bush term for all intents and purposed.
“Bush did it and I have no intention of changing anything significant” is not a winning slogan.
hey Teddy
been thinking about that in light of yesterday’s near disaster with HR 3808 – and all that is headed our way wrt Foreclosure Fraud – had already been wondering about it in light of what looks like a coming Muni Bond crisis
oy
Amigo,
In this police state I wouldn’t do it……………..
Look at all the vacancies Obama has left in the Federal Courts. Look at all the Republican AG’s that have been retained. Has this ever happened before?
Hasn’t it been SOP that all AG’s from the previous administration opposition party tender their resignations and get replaced?
Not only that, but these remaining AG’s (Leura Canary) are the hard core Bushies that survived Rove’s Republican purity test.
With Wars, the MIC, HCR and Goldman Bailouts, and Bad Messaging to boot, Obama could not have screwed the pooch this badly by accident.
“I do not know why the President continues to embrace a message in advance of the election that pollsters believe turns voters off to Democrats.”
And I don’t know why I’m laughing about this, but I am.
I’m doubling, tripling down on some friend of a friend type mutterings about Jane Hamsher and Firedoglake nlt noon first wednesday in Nov
American wage earners against elite neoliberal Globalists, whose most ardent proponents were W.J.Clinton and now Obama.
America’s Third World Economy
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
http://www.counterpunch.com/roberts10082010.html
“You can fool some of the people, …” The democrats do not have a very stellar record to run on, no matter what is said. So their party is not enthusiastic. And the republicans have honed their message pretty clearly through the tea party. They have captured the independent center as well. It seems a little too late to change much.
Maybe they need to run on traditional values like SS and medicare and against the crazies. Hell, it even seems that Angle is going to beat Reid. Lots of anger out there.
Reid gave us the shaft so many times. He needs to go. Even if Nutcase Creepy Angle is the one to remove him.
It’s incredible to me that it’s become acceptable to talk about touching Social Security and to take steps toward doing it.
“Only Nixon could go to China”
“Only Obama could touch Social Security.”
I know they changed the COLA formula, boy they must’ve changed it right. I see where postage has gone up, twice? thrice?, I see my gas costs nearly $3 a gallon. I see my DirecTV bill and Comcast internet bill go up every year.
I do believe I read that the new formula excludes energy and food. LOL. Of course!!! Exclude the two things seniors need, heat and food!!! I might be misremembering that though. I just think I recall food and energy now being omitted as part of the social security COLA formula.
I’ve been reading about this factor for ages…
“Tyler” loves to stir up the pot but all the the mortgage documentation problems of the past will only matter to whoever owes on a current mortgage if they can first prove that they are paying the wrong company and that they don’t know who to pay. Even if the money is owed against a signature instead of a mortgage, trying to ignore a debt can still lead to negative consequences if people really do think they don’t have to pay what they owe. I’d talk to a smart lawyer before trying anything tricky.
I’ve heard that too.
Do you suppose a lot of those wealthy donors really are true progressives and are as pissed as we are??? Or is it more likely they’re like any other wealthy elite and have some other reason for sitting this one out?
Obama’s administration has been counting on reinflating the asset bubble so as to save their real base. The Foreclosure scandal is going to put a hard stop to it.
As Bush said: “this sucker is going down”
What this tells me is that they won’t change until it’s in their own best interest to do so. I wouldn’t have believed this a few months ago, but I don’t think the Obama Administration cares whether the Democrats retain control of Congress. It’s all about them.
This is something that progressives need to embrace – this is about power, and who can give it to whom. A Democratic Congress clearly isn’t something the White House cares about. Whether Obama even cares if he is re-elected is, at this point, a good question. But whether he does or doesn’t, progressives need to make it absolutely clear that he gets nothing from us until we get something of worth from him.
His early response to that will determine whether it’s time to find a primary challenger.
Second year in a row no COLA for SS.
Hell, don’t sweat the small stuff. Wait till Obama talks about sacrifices required to control our debt when he signs a bill implementing the Catfood Commission Recommendations.
After all, seniors should be more than willing to reduce their calorie intake so we can fund the God fearing corporate stormtroopers killing defenseless women and children around the world.
I’d guess both. There undoubtedly many among them who don’t want to throw good money after bad. That’s a sentiment I can empathize with right now.
Larry Summers and the Subversion of Economics
“Then, after the 2008 [Summers] financial crisis and its consequent recession, Summers was placed in charge of coordinating U.S. economic policy, deftly marginalizing others who challenged him. Under the stewardship of Summers, Geithner, and Bernanke, the Obama administration adopted policies as favorable toward the financial sector as those of the Clinton and Bush administrations—quite a feat. Never once has Summers publicly apologized or admitted any responsibility for causing the crisis. And now Harvard is welcoming him back.
Summers is unique but not alone. By now we are all familiar with the role of lobbying and campaign contributions, and with the revolving door between industry and government. What few Americans realize is that the revolving door is now a three-way intersection. Summers’s career is the result of an extraordinary and underappreciated scandal in American society: the convergence of academic economics, Wall Street, and political power.
Starting in the 1980s, and heavily influenced by laissez-faire economics, the United States began deregulating financial services. Shortly thereafter, America began to experience financial crises for the first time since the Great Depression. The first one arose from the savings-and-loan and junk-bond scandals of the 1980s; then came the dot-com bubble of the late 1990s, the Asian financial crisis; the collapse of Long Term Capital Management, in 1998; Enron; and then the housing bubble, which led to the global financial crisis. Yet through the entire period, the U.S. financial sector grew larger, more powerful, and enormously more profitable. By 2006, financial services accounted for 40 percent of total American corporate profits. In large part, this was because the financial sector was corrupting the political system. But it was also subverting economics.”
Nice little article:
http://chronicle.com/article/Larry-Summersthe/124790/
VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!
Touche’
Doesn’t matter. Not Red, Not Blue, but United!
Clinton/Bush economy.
from Jane’s ‘wealthy donors sitting out’ post
The most likely result is that the Democrats lose the House but keep the Senate. As I wrote in an earlier comment, I wouldn’t have believed this a few months ago, but they seem to have made that same calculation and they think they’ll be better off.
Agreed. And Arianna Huffington has already said as much. Banks breaking into homes to change locks without legally foreclosing while they are still occupied, Firefighters gawking and staring while houses burn to the ground, Obama, the Democratic Party and Helicopter Ben Bernanke printing untold trillions and giving the money to wealthy bankers who caused the economy to crash and burn, a country waging wars against 10th century nations that it can not win, if this isn’t the definition of a third world country then third world has no definition……………..
If that happens it will be somewhat historical IIRC. It seems I remember reading somewhere that over the past X decades (and it was a lot IIRC) everytime the House switched, the Senate did. It wasn’t that way vice versa, but everytime over the last X years the House switched, the Senate did.
As you would guess, I’m all for it. I just think that it’s best to stand out of the way when a big tree goes down.
“Soros the international financier made his billions as a currency speculator; he could destroy a country’s reserves, hastening its social disintegration. Then Soros the philanthropist could finance HRW’s investigations into the abuses his operations helped to induce. He offers in his single person an arresting profile of liberal interventionism in our era, in which direct economic and political destabilization (mostly calibrated in concert with the US government) has easy recourse to the moral and political bludgeon of a human rights report, which is in turn used to ratchet up the pressure for a direct imperial onslaught—whether by economic sanctions, covert sabotage, aerial bombing or a blend of all three. The role of human rights NGOs in NATO’s attack on the former Yugoslavia is a prime example.
Or take a look at Soros’s meddling in Georgia. His millions and the NGOs under his control played an active role in installing the unstable and decidedly authoritarian Mikheil Saakashvili. The Foundation for the Defense of Democracies quoted a former Georgian parliamentarian as saying that in the three months before the 2003 Rose Revolution, “Soros spent $42 million ramping up for the overthrow of Shevardnadze.” Former Georgian Foreign Minister Salomé Zourabichvili was also quoted in the French journal Hérodote explaining, “The NGOs which gravitate around the Soros Foundation undeniably carried the revolution. However, one cannot end one’s analysis with the revolution and one clearly sees that, afterwards, the Soros Foundation and the NGOs were integrated into power.” Consult Human Rights Watch’s rather muffled report on Georgia three years later, and you’ll find the statement that “U.S. backing of President Saakashvili’s government has led to a less critical attitude toward human rights abuses in the country….”
http://www.counterpunch.com/cockburn10082010.html
The inflation formula that excludes energy and food was the brainchild of the Raygun administration, I believe. I laugh whenever I hear the numbers for inflation. It’s been a total farce for decades.
Then you got Clinton screwing with the unemployment formula so the numbers are always lower than what reality is in the US jobs numbers. They considered folks working one day a week as employed, no matter if they’re able to survive. And there you go.
Thanks to the corporate media, our corporate owned politicians have been allowed to pull this shit on a dumbed down public who never thought to question what they’re told vs. the facts of their lives.
Have you been alseep since 2007? You remind of Wyle E. Coyote chasing the Road Runner. Obama is not into you or your ideas. Any man or woman who voted for the Wall Street Bailout when the first one passed(as Obama did as a then sitting member of the U.S. Senate) sent the message and it could not be any more clearer: I AM OF, BY, AND FOR THE WEALTHY ELITE INTERESTS IN AMERICA. ALL OTHERS NEED NOT APPLY………..
If you are still debating at this point as to whether there should be a true liberal progessive challenger to Obama before 2012 then you are beyond help…………
Georgia is a small runt satellite with no teeth. Vladimir Putin cleaned Saakashvili’s clock. Georgia will make no more trouble for the Russians, no matter how much money Soros and the U.S. gov’t throws at them……….
It may have been the brainchild of RayGun, but I’m pretty sure the social security formula used is much newer than that. And I just found this. I’m not sure how much cred I want to give the New York Post, but here it is nonetheless:
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The problem is that there was no official increase in inflation last year. In fact the CPI used in the Social Security calculation — which isn’t the one typically in the newspaper headlines — showed that consumer prices declined by 2 percent from the third quarter of 2008 compared to the same period a year ago.
Follow? There was deflation, not inflation.
Because there was supposedly no official inflation (and we all know that’s nonsense), Social Security recipients didn’t get the increase that would have begun with payments made early this year.
Now here’s the key part: Social Security didn’t adjust people’s benefits downward either, which technically should have happened because prices fell by 2 percent.
I’m getting to the punch line.
Because of those falling prices last year, the Social Security Administration doesn’t plan to calculate upcoming benefits on the basis of how much consumer costs rose between 2010 and 2009. No, it plans to measure 2010 prices against 2008. When you compare 2010 prices to 2009 consumer prices, the inflation number used by Social Security in its adjustments is about 1.4 percent higher. But 2010 consumer prices are down by a fairly significant amount when compared with 2008.
So, as things now stand, there won’t be an upward adjustment in Social Security payments.”
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/recipients_screwed_by_new_social_SNDzUsYgB7ZXlZDbKjBepJ#ixzz11nbqgoVq
As I understand it, the only immediate beneficiaries from this will be people who have already been, or are in the process of being foreclosed on by means of fraudulent or otherwise irregular documents.
So if someone has purchased a home that was foreclosed on fraudulently, they could be in a situation similar to that of an early “investor” in Bernie Madoff’s scheme — unwittingly receiving and being in possesion of stolen goods.
I don’t think anybody thinks this means everybody can stop making mortgage payments with no consequence, but surely lots of people already close to the edge of default will see this crisis as a signal to stop paying now, since it will now take much, much longer to be evicted.
He surely realizes that his chances of reelection will rise greatly if the GOP takes the House, so pushing the blame-Bush message works on two levels: it helps him and hurts the party.
As has been said in various places:
Georgia, and some supporters from the military part of DC, seemed to have expected Mad Dog McCain to step in and save that day. It almost seem to work for a bit.
OFG,
but it’s the NYPost, *%$!…../s
The same reason Obama and his lackeys are bashing the base. They want the Dems to lose. And because Obama hates liberals. Oh man they drive him NUTS!
Touche! LOL
Yeah. For folks already staring down the abyss of not being able to pay, this will let them hold on for a while but it probably won’t solve much for them in the long run. For the folks that aren’t in such dire straight, though, the worst idea might be to gamble that they can sneak around what they owe.
Good grief!
Kudos for the explanation.
I get that these bastards are figuring a new math every time it suits them.
We need to wait for September 2010 CPI-W to be released to
calculate 2011 Social Security COLA adjustment.
Based on available CPI-W data for 2 out 3 months of Q3,
it appears that we may get about 1% COLA adjustment.
CPI-W is a subset of the “all consumers” CPI-U that we all call the cost of living. It is limited to the “households with a person earning a wage in the household” – and was introduced to SS benefit in payment increase calculations in order to slow that growth of benefit – but its effect is very minor.
C-CPI-U or chained CPI is the Catfood commission idea and here there is a drastic lowering of the “CPI increase effect” because you see when steak jumps 50% and hamburger jumps 50% but is still 10% below the old steak price, the index will say us seniors had a DECREASE in inflation because we “subsituted” that hamburger for the steak. Of course at that point most seniors will only be faced with with the question “Do you want your dogfood dry or moist”?
Obama telegraphed his true allegience earlier than 2006, but for certain in 2006, when he helped run the bus over Ned Lamont in favor of his mentor Joe Lieberman.
Obama loyalty to Joe Lieberman was the big tell.
Obama had been outspokenly critical of the Democratic Party many times.
His loyalty is to Joe Lieberman and the erstwhile Connecticut For Lieberman Party, AIPAC, The Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats.
You are lucky. Gas on Maui is $3.78/gal. And we’re in a rural area. Must drive everywhere. There’s no such thing as “public transportation.”
But milk is $8.
When people come to visit, I tell ‘em to fill their suitcases with gasoline & milk.
The reason the message isn’t resonating with voters is that after two years, Obama and Demcorats have had more than enough time to start making good on their campaign promises — and they haven’t even tried to. The wars, the economy, and everything else weren’t Obama’s doing originally; he is right to place blame on Bush and the GOP. But he now owns those problems, having clawed his way into office, and has had the power to do something about it all. He has refused. THAT is why the Democrats’ messaging isn’t working. But they’re too stupid politically to realize this. They’d rather blame the voters for their losses instead of owning up to their own ideological and policy inadequacies.
Obama has realized that pushing a pro-corporate agenda didn’t work (with his base) by using the straw men available to him (Blue Dogs and an obstructive GOP) as long as his party had reconciliation at its disposal. The base didn’t buy it.
This way he gets a slight GOP majority and he can then use a valid excuse for pushing his pro-corporate agenda. By the time he runs again, his base will be energized to throw the GOP out of office.
There’s a lot of ground that the GOP needs to make up to take over the Senate. They need to gain ten seats, out of thirty-two or thirty-three that are being contested this year. Contrast that with the 41 seats they need to gain out of 425 in the House. That’s a much bigger task. Usually, one party doesn’t have such a large majority in the Senate.
Even assuming Lieberman would switch sides out of convenience, they still need to win nine seats they don’t now have.
The key to understanding stats like the ones you cite (I assume it’s true, but haven’t looked) is that you need to understand what’s behind them. This time, what’s true much of the time isn’t true this time around.
Their best trick was to include the arbitrary idea of quality for similar items. A $1000 TV with a bunch of pixels being qualitatively cheaper than a $500 previous model so it becomes a wash. And of course biasing the cost of living away from food and heat and towards items purchased infrequently.
I’ll bet that goes really well with the TSA. You should ask for fertilizer, while you’re at it…
I’m starting to think that career politicians are the problem. Why can’t we have podlike who actually understand what it is like to be poor, without insurance, etc — run for office? There needs to be a term limit for both chambers of Congress, like the Presidency. Also, campaigns should be publically financed so that one doesn’t have to be a rich fuck to run for political office.
Rich people don’t like to throw good money after bad, and so they are cautiously sitting this one out, as it appears that the investment might not be a good one? This might explain Obama bashing progressives at fund raising dinners, and suggests that the buck up/blame liberal message is not a Dem-Rep party politics issue but a Winner-Loser one. Why would he engage in such an ill-advised political tactic of berating and distancing his base? Because money talks, I suspect. And that is what is important now. He needed his base for the election but not so much now. It’s reminiscent of another what’s-in-it-for-me authoritarian sociopath, Newt Gingrich, when he said to L. H. Carter after being elected: “Fuck you guys. I don’t need you anymore.”
Obama wants to stay on the side of the Winner party. Dem and Rep are almost fictional categories.
Not to mention that the GOP basically gave the Dems one seat they would’ve had in Deleware by nominating a
witchbatshit crazy anti-masturbation zealot.I don’t think they will take the Senate either (I’m not even convinced of the House), but I just wanted to point out that it would be historical if it happens that way. I’m sure the media will portray it that way. As “It’s the first time XX years the House switched and the Senate didn’t.”
EDIT: Historical that is if my memory is correct. It’s really getting flaky lately. I tried a search to see if I could confirm it, but I suck at searches and couldn’t find anything.
There is no exclusion of energy and food in the CPI for Social Security.
What was done under the GOP was the replacement of the CPI-U with the CPI-W
Over the period 1983–2000, the CPI-E rose by an annual average of 3.5 percent, while the CPI-U averaged 3.3 percent. The CPI-W, the index to which Social Security is tied, increased an average of 3.2 percent.
CPI-E began under the Dem Congress began in 1988 (looking back to 1983) and has been put forward every year as an improvement because it is higher as it reflects medical cost rise better.
The catfood commission is pushing C-CPI (chained CPI) which works from the idea that inflation is negative when you substitute hamburger for that high priced steak.
Obama would rather accept the unemployment rate
and blame Bush for two more years than actually
do something to create jobs.
The unemployed remain unemployed for two more years.
That’s a real winner, Baba.
Yup. They got nuthin’ for 95% of the population. And the strategy is to ride the underlying bullshit reflected in the graph until it is played out. Perception and branding for the public, and real results for those with power and money.
Good analysis; as good as any. I tend to agree with your final conclusion.
“when I talk to most Democratic campaign people these days, I have to hold the phone at arm’s length because they’re screaming so loud. They feel like they’re being fed into the wood chipper.”
I’d like to read more on this subject. There hasn’t been a lot said about this (at least that I’ve seen) but it sounds pretty important.
Great work. It does seem that this administration is sacrificing the party for its own end, and maybe to help give them cover for more conservative policies, if the GOP does make significant gains.
Oh, ok, my memory fails me again.
Thanks for clarifying that papau.
Look, whatever Obama’s up to is a moot point.
The important thing to remember is this:
No matter who wins, we lose.
If Black-heart Dick Cheney would not challenge Putin, McCain simply was not going to. McCain is extreme and far right, but even he would not have been fool enough to mess around with the Russian Bear. Look at America’s track record when it comes to “military action”. All interventions after WWII are against Third World nations, run by fifth rate governments, defended by tenth rate armies, (many which by the way seem to find ways to stalemate the U.S. military) so surely no American President is going to openly wage war against a nation that is truly capable of defending itself. Cliff May, Danielle Pletka, and Charles Krauthammer are the biggest human examples of stupid but no President is going to listen to them when it comes to taking on Russia, China, or even Iran militarily.
But that is what they contiue to vote for, the mirage handlers who are giving them sand intead of water…………….
I guess I view what is historical differently. It’s the differential that I focus on. Losing ten seats in the Senate and forty-plus in the House would be an ass-whooping if historical proportions.
BTW, I just looked carefully at the picture that accompanies this article. That’s hysterical. Great example of how something innocuous or even profound in one language can be a joke in another.
“In the end, our bubble economy will not just deflate, it will burst. The dollar will collapse, consumer prices will skyrocket, real credit will completely evaporate, millions more will lose their jobs, and our economy will change in ways few of us can imagine. Our standard of living will plummet and legions of middle- and upper-class Americans will be impoverished. It is not a pretty picture, but unfortunately, it’s the one our government is painting. Unfortunately, we are running out of time to change artists. ”
http://www.europac.net/commentaries/hail_mary
It’s understandable that a people wouldn’t want decision-makers to dwell too much on past issues when the current situation is so dire, but it still perplexes me that Americans never seem to care about the causes of current problems, as if the past really has no connection to the present. It’s like they’ve really taken all the pop psychology mantras to heart.
Obama would prefer a GOP Congress he could then really be bi-partisan and not have to even try. He’ll do whatever they want and blame us for them winning.
If President 70%’s 2012 re-election strategy is to still blame Bush (who he never adequately attacked in his first 2 years when the message had a chance of sticking) what does that tell us about Obamco’s projection for the economy and his administration’s economic initiatives between now and 2012?
Not.Good.At.All.
Or it could mean that Americans are smart enough to figure out that both parties shared the blame in the past and continue to do so now. Democrats are terrified to appear different from Republicans. So how can they blame Republicans without blaming themselves? I mean if you want to blame the other party, maybe folks should be able to tell the difference.
Blame the Bushists; but Obummer’s STILL Driving the BushCo. Getaway CAR!
nice! (ouch)
clemenza October 8th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
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“I do not know why the President continues to embrace a message in advance of the election that pollsters believe turns voters off to Democrats.”
And I don’t know why I’m laughing about this, but I am.
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For the love of God I wish Palin and McCain would have won.
So all you left baggers complaining wouldn’t have a country to complain about.
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“All you left baggers” huh? How far right can the Democrats go before you finally agree they’ve gone too far?? Never?? As long as they’re left of the Rethugs, it’s all good and the Dems can do anything??? If the Democrats engage in genocide of one minority, they would still be the party to support if the Republicans engaged in genocide of two minorities?
Come on, instead of just throwing up your hands and calling folks name, why not engage in a conversation? Do you support assassinating American citizens with no due process? Do you really expect me to believe that had it been George Bush announcing he had the authority to assassinate American citizens without due process that you wouldn’t have been calling for his impeachment?
Did you ever call for that asshole to be impeached when he was still in office? If so, what for??? If Obama’s doing the same thing, and you’re not against it now, then that just proves you believe the Democrats can do ANYTHING and go as far right as they want, you’ll support them. And remember the Republicans in Congress were just as much to blame for Bush’s trashing of the Constitution because they refused to use their constitutional checks and balances to hold him accountable. The same thing can be said of the Democrats in Congress today.
We’re not “baggers” of any type. We’re consistant on what behavior is right and wrong. When you only call out inappropriate behavior of the Republicans but not the Democrats that hypocritical. So perhaps I could call you a hypocrite after you calling us baggers? I’ll gladly accept bagger over hypocrite anytime.
If you want to engage over the issues respectfully, I’d be glad to.
Hi there, fellow “bagger.”
I think Sensi might have burst a blood vessel, poor thing.
Oh my, well if so, I guess it’s a good thing Obama’s health care plan will take good care of him/her…
Oh wait, what?
Keeping the Senate is the backstop should Obama’s very clever “beat Clinton’s record” goal of surviving House impeachment fail utterly.
ding!
Continuing to use messaging that is proven to lose votes *almost* makes me want to vote D. For spite. Just so they don’t get what they want, namely an R-led Congress.
This does not make sense. If an average ‘voter’ does not understand that prosperity during Bush era was not sustainable; then that average voter deserves to get Bohner era of ‘tax cuts for rich while no control on entitlement’. Let that average voter get screwed further under GOP era and then realize the folly of opposing Obama Dems for this non-sense. As and when this same ‘voter’ is thrashed and screwed royally further; she would understand the full insanity of GOP message.
It is really stupid to try to tailor ‘reality’ for some ‘focus group’ messaging. Let us be in the business of telling truth to people as adults rather than chasing the chimera of some Carville non-sense.
There are also some very willfully ignorant Democrats who do see what Obama’s been up to, and still continue to support, protect and defend him at all costs and give him a free pass for his travesties, which, imho, have greatly overshadowed any good that he may have done while in office.