I’ve been meaning to write this post for a while, but with all of the “professional left” nonsense being tossed around by Democratic elites, it’s been hard to get to. However, I actually think there is reason to believe the Democrats may do better in the November elections than many believe. Not great, but better than they should have expected at this point. And that’s largely based on factors that aren’t going to show up in the polls.
1. GOP Didn’t Take Advantage of the 2009 Rate of Swing
The first gubernatorial elections in Virginia and New Jersey following a presidential race is the time when parties start assessing their chances in the midterms. One of the key indicators is the rate of swing from the presidential party’s margin of victory to an opposition governor’s margin of victory, which is viewed as a harbinger of what may lie ahead. The opposition party’s recruitment chances frequently key off of those results, because top-tier candidates are more likely to get into a race if they think conditions will favor them.
The combined rate of swing in 2009 was one of the largest since 1985, preceding the 1986 election disaster for Republicans:
| Term | State | President | % Party Win | Governor | % Party Win | Rate of Swing | Seats Lost |
| Obama 08-09 | New Jersey | Obama | D+15.5% | Christie | R+4.3% | D to R 19.8% | —— |
| Virginia | Obama | D+6.4% | McDonnell | R+17.4% | D to R 23.7% | ||
| Bush II 04-05 | New Jersey | Kerry | D+6.7% | Corzine | D+10.5% | D to D 3.8% | D +31 seats |
| Virginia | Bush | R+8.2% | Kaine | D+5.7%% | R to D 13.9% | ||
| Clinton 92-93 | New Jersey | Clinton | D+2.37% | Whitman* | R+1.04% | D to R 3.41% | R+54 seats |
| Virginia | Bush | R+4.37% | Allen | R+17.38% | R + 13.01% | ||
| Bush I 88-89 | New Jersey | Bush I | R+13.64% | Florio | D+24.02 | R to D 37.66% | D+7 seats |
| Virginia | Bush I | R+20.51% | Wilder | D+0.38% | R to D 20.89% | ||
| Reagan 84-85 | New Jersey | Reagan | R+20.98% | Kean* | R+40.3% | R + 19.32% | D+5 seats |
| Virginia | Reagan | R+25.19% | Baliles | D+10.4%% | R to D 35.59% |
I left out 1998 and 2002 as they are considered atypical midterms. In the wake of 9/11, the focus on national security allowed Republicans to pick up eight seats, solidifying their majority. And 1998 was the first time since 1934 that the non-presidential party failed to gain congressional seats in a mid-term election, probably reflecting a backlash against the Republicans who were impeaching Bill Clinton during the campaign. It was also the first time since 1822 that the non-presidential party had failed to gain seats in the mid-term election of a President’s second term, although the GOP retained a majority in the House.
So it should have been all systems “go” for the GOP when the rate of swing from Democrats to Republicans in both states was extremely high. Yet the GOP failed to take advantage of when it came to both candidate recruitment and early fundraising. Their top recruits like Sue Lowden and Mike Castle were toppled by Tea Party candidates in their primaries, and the craziness of Dan Maes has basically thrown what was almost a sure gubernatorial pickup in Colorado to John Hickenlooper. That weakness at the top of the ticket can have chain reactions down ballot. In a year when they were presented with incredible opportunity, the entire GOP operation was out of touch with the party’s base and couldn’t field opponents capable of running good races.
2. The Walking Disaster of Michael Steele
If the most important jobs of a party chair are to recruit strong candidates and raise money, Steele failed on both counts. Big donors started abandoning the RNC earlier this year, complaining that Steele was spending money on things like private planes and five-star chefs when he should have been stockpiling money for the midterms. Karl Rove took advantage of the situation and formed American Crossroads, a 527 that competes with the RNC for donor money. Although that makes Rove a formidable player in this year’s election, it also means that money which normally would have gone into party coffers and directly benefited candidates instead got routed into outside expenditures.
3. Newbie Candidates Don’t Have Experience Running Campaigns
Yes we’d all like to believe in the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington myth and think the little guy can come out on top based on spirit and gumption alone, but it’s just not true. In an era where the average House race costs $1 million or more to run, a candidate not only has to raise that cash, they have to effectively build and manage a small business from the ground up. They have to hire competent and professional people, manage campaign expenditures and keep their coffers from being looted by legions of unscrupulous consultants who want them to spend it all on television advertising. Most good campaign people get swept up by incumbents, so newcomers are left to pick from what’s left, which redoubles all their problems.
4. Good Field Operations Don’t Run Themselves
It’s really hard to run a crack field operation, and if you don’t have any experience doing that, good luck to you. Field teams are often under-budgeted and understaffed, and inexperienced candidates tend to believe enthusiasm automatically translates to the ballot box until reality kicks them in the ass. If someone like Russ Feingold still looks like a possible win at this point, it’s because he’s got 22 field offices across Wisconsin. Incumbents have the ability to build up volunteer networks over time that they can tap into come election time. Challengers don’t have that, and these networks are tough to build from scratch — even if you know what you’re doing.
Howard Dean’s 50 State Strategy (which Obama copied for his own campaign) was supposed to keep this turnout machinery in place across the country. OFA was intended to take up the slack after that was dismantled. It will be interesting to hear the assessment of various campaigns as to how well that worked after the election.
5. Karl Rove Is Enriching Himself at the Expense of the Party
Karl Rove’s American Crossroads is a 527 that has been very good at raising money this term, largely due to the fact that big donors don’t have confidence in either the RNC or inexperienced candidates. While much of that money may have just sat on the sidelines if Rove didn’t appear, there’s no question that he has been competing for resources. And while it’s probably true that Rove’s operation will create and run more effective advertising than many campaigns could have done themselves, a 527 cannot coordinate or share information with the party committees or the candidates. As much as anything, Rove’s election night wailing about Christine O’Donnell was dog-whistle to big donors, making the argument that he should be in charge of spending their money and not these wacky candidates. But Rove isn’t going to run field operations, which are usually staffed by campaign volunteers. And so money that might be spent most efficiently turning out voters will instead go into Rove’s pocket in the highly lucrative (for him) TV advertising operation. Good for Rove, but not necessarily what’s best for the candidates.
6. Pelosi Was Prepared
Pelosi took care to appoint vulnerable freshmen to committees where they could rake in a lot of PAC money like Financial Services, and then pushed them hard to do fundraising from day one. On the downside, this turned many of them into corporate tools, a contributing factor in the current “enthusiasm gap.” But the fish stinks from the head, so that probably would’ve happened anyway. On the upside, this had a direct impact on the GOP’s inability to take advantage of the post-November 2009 environment that should have been much more productive for them. Huge war chests early in the election cycle scared off a lot of strong potential challengers who didn’t think they could compete, and helped provide insulation for freshmen from the big waves of GOP independent expenditure money they’re now being hit with. If you look at Swing State’s analysis of where the RNCC and the DCCC are spending their money, most of the Democrats have strong Cash on Hand (CoH) advantages.
7. The Top Tier Firewall
Ironically, Alan Grayson outraised every Democrat in congress in 4Q 2009 by fighting the banks on the Financial Services Committee, appealing to populist anti-bank sentiment that spurred small dollar donors. But to use Grayson as an example, the Republican tilt of his district has always made him target #1 for a GOP pickup. His current challenger, Daniel Webster, didn’t declare until late April 2010, and has always been at a serious fundraising disadvantage. This means the GOP has to spend a lot of money to try and take seats that should have been easy pickins’ in this climate. David Koch alone dropped $250,000 into Grayson’s district, and the NRCC has pledged $817,000. When likely pickup seats like Perriello, Markey, and Boccierri are also prepared and putting up a strong fight, it means a serious drain of resources that won’t be available for the GOP down the food chain.
8. Enthusiasm Gaps Always Close as Elections Draw Near
The GOP may have an enthusiasm advantage at the moment, but that’s largely because they’ve been stoking it for a year and a half with the tea parties. There’s not a lot of room for growth. As people become more conscious of the election and it starts to dominate the news cycle, that gap will inevitably closes. Of course, there will be any number of pundits who claim this is a symbol of “Democrats rising.” It isn’t. It’s just what happens. Turn them off, they don’t know what they’re talking about.
9. The GOP’s New Contract With America Laid an Egg
This ain’t your momma’s 1994 GOP. Newt Gingrich didn’t just pull the “Contract With America” out of his ass one day. They had been piloting most of those programs at the state level for years, and by the time Newt released his Contract with America, the whole thing was well honed and message-tested. The new Contract with America, on the other hand, was cobbled together quickly, and almost as quickly rejected by the GOP base. They’re not mentioning it much any more. But the lack of a coherent GOP message has left inexperienced candidates warbling about chickens, witchcraft and masturbation, something that Democrats have successfully exploited.
10. Obama Can Be One Hell of a Motivator When He Wants To Be
Obama’s appearance at the Wisconsin rally before 26,000 last week showed him at his best. He can work a crowd like no other, which is why Pelosi and others in leadership have been asking him to get out there and campaign in states where he can make a difference. It’s much more helpful than appearing at private $30,400-a-plate fundraisers and castigating the rank-and-file for “sulking,” as he did last night. His upcoming rallies at college campuses could have a huge impact on young voter registration and turnout in key districts on election day.
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Of course, every campaign that is down in the polls will say “we’re going to win it with our superior field operation.” And 98% of the time, that’s just pure fantasy. But in many hotly contested races, we’re talking about small margins that could determine the outcome. Two recent polls (the Hill and SEIU/LCV) have Tom Perriello within one point of Rob Hurt, which is a small miracle. Also per the Hill poll, Boccierri is within four, Markey is within three, as is Frank Kratovil (in a district Obama lost by 20 points in 2008).
The DCCC is doing triage, and has no doubt written off some races at this point. But given the current climate, their chances look a lot better than they did last November when I put together that chart on “rate of swing” (with the help of Virginia blogger Ben Tribbett of NotLarrySabato). It did not bode well for Democrats at the time, but it was too early to draw any conclusions. Since that time, I’ve been consistently surprised at how sloppy and ineffective the GOP has been at taking advantage of the opportunities those figures clearly presented to them.
It’s indisputable that the Democrats will have a tough time this fall. There is just no way you can escape the fact that the party in power is going to take the heat when the country is experiencing 10% unemployment. Higher turnout will help the Democrats, but it won’t save them. However, small margins in key races may make a big difference, and when it comes to the kind of intense ground game we’re going to see in key races over the next few weeks, I’d have to say the incumbent Democrats are better prepared than most of their Republican challengers. And if everything breaks towards the Democrats between now and election day, and control of the House comes down to 2-3 seats, that could provide the margins they need.




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Elections aren’t Generic Democrat vs. Generic Republican. They are real candidate vs real candidate. The GOP candidates suck a lot worse than normal.
Good news, I suppose. Let’s hope the Servile Corporate Hacks (D) do better than the Barking Right-Wing Lunatics (R).
Perfect description. :)
Terrific photo accompaniment to this post, btw.
11. The soft bigotry of low expectations.
Wonk on with your bad self, Jane !
I lovvve auditing your classes
Here’s how my Dem avoided wild ass sincerity and questions from his constituents from going public: He met with the press in the afternoon, then with the citizens up on campus in the late afternoon. So when I scanned the newspapers for press regarding his visit, what showed up what his completely bleached out and ambiguated speech for the press and not the hard questions and his answers to constituents which were not consistent with his press remarks. SD had asked how the candidates were avoiding the public. So here’s one way one Dem controlled his message.
Jane, you continue to amaze me with your ability to look at the big picture and then explain it to us. It’s ironic how you continue to take on so many important issues, track data and still encourage the Keep Your Eyes On The Prize(s) meme , and yet attract so many commenters who find this an outlet for knee jerk carthartic rants.
Not speaking of commenters on this thread, just in general.
Keep the faith, Jane, and thank you for this excellent post.
I’m not seeing the recommend button. But, I will share.
People have lowered the bar so much it’s now deep underground and still the Dems can’t… quite… make… it… over.
The RNC did a lot of things wrong. But not tossing out Michael Steele was probably the biggest mistake. All of those articles about GOP donors leaving the RNC were important, and it had serious internal implications that I don’t think the punditocracy realized. They certainly weren’t talking about it when they were obsessing about the Tea Parties. It certainly signaled something just as critical for the 2010 election.
Great analysis Jane! I sure do hope the Dems keep both houses, if not we will truly have grid lock in Washington as the Pukes start investigating every thing including when BO took his last dump!!!
The lack of proper national structure due to infighting probably helped a lot of poor tea party candidates win nominations
Exactly on target, Jane. I think for Democrats the operative word still should be “might”. There are three whole weeks of GOTV work yet to go.
But this point is salient:
Third parties tend to fail because they don’t pay attention to building these networks over time. And the difficult part for a House seat is to build a network that can deliver 150,000 votes or more in a general election. Both Ralph Nader and Ross Perot found this out in an election in which they had to garner 50 million votes or more to win. If they understood this, they ran as spoilers. If they did not, they were incredibly naive.
Stunning primary victories in low-turnout primaries – think most of the Tea Party folks – often come through media and not activities that get out the vote in the general election.
Media dominance is not the trump card that delivers every election. And for non-Republicans, purchased media is just another way of financing a Republican opponent. And all media does is either to suppress voter turnout or voting by casting doubt on the opposition or to assert that you are capable of winning because you have the campaign cash. For the media, having the campaign cash makes you a “serious candidate”. See how that works for their bosses.
The Daily Star is the newspaper of record for his visit to our area. He met alone with their ‘editorial board’.
http://thedailystar.com/localnews/x1699976541/Murphy-focuses-on-economic-development-at-Daily-Star-meeting
The value and end result of a person winning a primary candidacy is not appreciated or understood until after the general election. I’m thinking of knee jerk reactions. There are probably many people who fit this consideration.
Excellent! Thanks for the clear summations; couldn’t agree with you more. Picked out all the salient points.
I agree that the Dems probably are not going to suck as badly as they *should* (and deserve to) in Nov for the reasons that you elaborate above. In particular, the purported rightwing/Republic “enthusiasm” has largely been “generated” – via contributions from the Kochs, etc – via Murdoch’s Fox Republican propoganda outfit. If it wasn’t for the likes of RushGlenn and all the vapid talking heads, I doubt that there’d be much “enthusiasm” in Republic-land. And I think the T-party stupidity is really wearing out it’s welcome even with conservatives.
That said, if Harry Reid gets his walking papers from the likes of nutjob Sharran Angle, I will have a rather large smile on my face.
Absolutely true about problems with third party runs, something most people don’t appreciate when they advocate for them. Not saying they’re not worth running, but that there are structural problems that need to be addressed before they can hope to be successful.
Yeah, if the Republicans have even a single vote majority they’ll govern as if they were handed a huge voter mandate. Of course it’s conservadems voting with them that always makes that possible.
Dem majority fecklessness is (sadly) preferable.
The fact that this money can come from overseas sources is also something the Democrats are making the most of. Hell it may not be, I don’t know, but it’s likely that some of it is, and the lack of transparency gives IE money a nice big Achilles heel that Democrats are wisely exploiting.
Dems do NOT want to “make it over the bar.” Ds or Rs – both 2 branches of the same one-party for the corporations & the Oligarchs. IMO, both parties are in a mad race to beyond the bottom of the barrel. Who sucks worse is probably the operative question this election.
Agreed. ORahma probably did a big old “happy dance” when the SCOTUS announced the “Citizens United” decision. Sad to say most citizens haven’t heard about this, much less have a clue what it means. Agree about foreign money running the elections/our country. Akin to how ORahma permitted BP – a foreign oil corporation – dictate to US citizens what would happen with the Gulf oil volcano disaster (plus walk away with OUR natural resources).
True, I didn’t expect Obama to govern like he campaigned, campaigns invariably being comprised of bullshit. I just expected him to be at least slightly better than Bush.
I set the bar too high again, dagnabbit.
What a great photo! I just want to snorgle those cute donkey mugs!
Not to mention they look way more intelligent than Harry Reid.
Very interesting/edifying post as usual, Jane – thanks.
Setting up a structure for third party candidates is probably something worth considering at this point. It could take a number of years, but perhaps that’s what citizens need to put their energy behind. It’s clear that we can count on nothing from either Ds or Rs but more of the same rip-off of the middle and lower classes to enure to the benefit of the corporations and Oligarchs.
I think I remember the president taking heat over his criticism of that in his last SOTU address. No?
And if Democrats “do better” exactly how will that help this country? We’re supposed to believe another round of “Democrats vs. Republicans” will somehow work magic this time? It’s time we all move beyond this nonsense.
Not sure, but methinks you’re right… or at least at some point. Which is probably why Obama sucked up bigtime to BP when their oil rig ruined the Gulf of Mexico for generations to come.
I could be wrong, but I don’t *think* that Jane is “celebrating” that the Dems might “do better.” From my perspective, I believe Jane is simply elaborating on what she believes will happen. Jane can correct me if I’m wrong in my “take.”
If you read through FDL frequently, you will see that many of us are trying to “move beyond this nonsense” by searching for other alternatives.
Nonetheless, this is what’s happening now, and whether we like it or not, the outcome of the Nov election is worth discussing. IMO and with respect.
The photo up top is cute, but looking at it again, I’m wondering if one of them is a mule. Maybe Jane is making another nonverbal point?
Hey you dumb asses! Who are you trying to kid? You are completely delusional. The Republicans are going to run away with this election… and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
These are interesting responses – if ANYONE other than Jane had posted this article, they’d be called stooges carrying water for cororate lackys…
The 09 swing was as much attributable to the two candidates as anything else.
Corzine was viewed by many as a professional dilettante who was sleeping with the head of the NJ public employees union while doing little to solve the state’s financial problems. I guess being head of Goldman means managing traders whose egos are bruised because their bonus was $9M instead of $12M. The business acumen he was expected to bring to the governor’s office was lacking.
The Democratic candidate in VA (Deeds in case you already forgot) ran a horrible campaign.
As did Martha Coakley in MA when she lost the Kennedy seat
Republicans are good at winning elections.
They will beat ineffective Democrats, including incumbents.
O/T
Pocket Veto just announced for HR 3808 (Fast Track Foreclosures)- details to follow -
thanks everyone! snoopy dance
Jane,
Thanks for the post. It does give us a better view of things. I’d like to comment here about the ads I’ve been seeing in my area. They are horrendous and I hope somebody gets sued for lying. They are paid for by:
“Citizens for a Working America PAC”
Yes, I lauged too. A GOPterror outfit calling themselves that was just too darn funny.
Gridlock may be the cure for Social Security “Reform” (to be benefit cuts, increased retirement age, no higher cap on employment contributions).
Gridlock will be enabled by a Rethuglican house.
What say you, Jane, and others about this theory?
Exactly, my response is “who cares?”.
That’s just silly. If you don’t care, why are you here? There’s probably a bowling blog.
Yep. I read about it. Several Congresscritters were trying to slip it in before DC shut down for the break. As far as I know, it’s still sitting on the desk. Can’t believe something like that can zoom through both houses and no hearings were held. Hmm. Maybe they all went to the basement to discuss this and others out of site.
Perhaps, but if you factor in the fact that the U.S. electorate is the most uninformed and naive of any electorate in the “advanced” world the rosy scenario loses some of it’s shine.
The amount total wether GOP or Karl’s money is the question. Do we have numbers we can trust about that?
Gridlock only happens when the Dems are in the majority. Conservative Dems cross the aisle to vote for GOP bills. Doesn’t work the other way.
Just in case my mule comment fell through the cracks, or went over some heads….A mule is the offspring of a male donkey and a female horse. Horses and donkeys are different species,
Bowling??? Too much lifting.
Agreed. And I don’t necessarily believe that a party on the left would need to play the “raise money and organize” game the way the two major parties do, because it wouldn’t be going after low-information voters. Just an (educated) guess, but I think Jane’s 10 points only apply to undecided voters, and there aren’t many of those here.
Thanks, Jane.
That’s all. Just, thanks.
Unless you have very small balls. Sorry. You set me up for that one. *g*
With the New Contract with America being the same as the old Contract With America and a wealth of nutty GOP candidates, the fact remains that Obama, Biden, Gibbs, and Rahm have tried their damndest to make the base stay home. And yet I’ve half a mind to really piss them off and vote straight Democratic ticket – again. Then in 2012 he can explain to us why he had to endorse the findings of the Cat Food Commission.
The GOP has “jumped the Shark” with it’s vile rhetoric and its consistent opposition to anything of a positive nature. I honestly believe that many of my neighbors in a very red state are waking up to that and are actually ashamed of the GOP’s positions and support for candidates who have got to be insane. I’m hoping people will recognize that allowing GOP candidates a victory can be a disaster for all of us.
Remember the proud “Greenies,” who voted against Gore? Those few votes probably cost us a war or two, the financial collapse, the housing collapse and the Supreme Court majority (and add your losses to this list).
We have to get out and vote against the GOP!
Also, an inappropriate use of rolling. :)
Okay, someone will call me arrogant for pointing this out, but before you insult me you should know that I am a former university-level political science professor with three university degrees including a PhD. So YOU go study bowling, I would guess that is within YOUR educational level.
You’re drawing highly emotional conclusions from a post that has nothing to do with that. It’s an analysis of the 2010 race, and the factors that have not been accounted for in the current cocktail of “conventional wisdom” regarding the election outcome. Nothing else.
If you’re writing reality-based posts, you write reality-based posts, and this is what I believe is the reality.
I git it. I had first thought it was two Donkeys, male and female. But you cleared it up nicely.
True. Still, I’d vote for a third party candidate who’s left of the Democratic Party candidate if the Democratic Party candidate is little more than a DINO corporatist sellout.
Progressives should encourage others to do the same regardless of the third party candidates’ chances.
Turnout operations have nothing to do with undecided voters. That’s “persuasion.”
Turnout means knocking on the doors of people who have said they will vote and making sure they do. It means getting people to the polls who support your candidate already. It takes manpower and organization, and it’s something you have to plan for from day 1 by ID’ing those people.
Jane talk to Kelly Gays are pissed he knows the issue more than me . As far as my people go yes Hispanic voters are also depressed about Obama but we have more reason to be scared to vote my Mom’s as white as you her grandma was Castilian but her sons and daughters thanks to my Dad well we can all pass for illegals in an AZ traffic stop.
Being stopped by police all our lives for for no reason for traffic stops a common thing for Hispanics makes us worried if now we fear being deported.
It wasn’t meant as an insult. You said who cares, and I was wondering why you were here. I’m glad you have a nice resume. We’re all in different places of pre, post, naivete. I apologize if my words hurt your feelings.
Oh I think GOP intransigence at the committee level is the only hope. If the catfood commission releases a report at all, it will be something they have reason to believe will pass.
Some Dems are signalling that they will vote for Social Security Reform (reform = spemding cuts and increased retirement age, but no increased cap on contributions – funding).
The Democrats are staking out this territory (Social Sec Reform) for their own. More political suicide (like HCR), regardless, the issue is critical.
Disingenuous, but Politically expedient Rethugs will align themselves with a Save Social Security – anti-reform – movement.
A Rethug house could save us from reform.
Outstanding post, Jane.
I will say that the Samm Simpson campaign in FL-10 against Bill Young in 06 garnered 36% of the vote, the best showing of a Dem candidate ever against him. We didn’t have a lot of money but Pinellas County is the most densely populated county in FL. We had, thanks to Mike Fox who’s now with DFA, a large number of volunteers who went door-to-door. We did a couple teebee ads but most of our dust went into mailers and we got a lot of air time on the radio. If we’d started sooner I’m still convinced we could have won. Being a campaign treasurer is a great experience and I would encourage anyone looking to work for a 3rd party or small insurgent Dem candidate to try it out. I think winning on a shoestring is possible but it takes a lot of hard work and a lot of looooooong days.
Never. Give. Up.
correction – Kagro is implying the cynical bastids are going to let it pass by not signing before they go in to adjournment
sorry y’all
Well, it’s a list of “why they might do better than you think.” I don’t disagree that these things will have an impact, but I also think many have already been factored in.
Aren’t Democrats hoping to turn out younger voters 18 to 29 regardless of who they say they’re supporting on the theory that the balance will be in the Democrats’ favor? That’s what the Stewart/Colbert rally is about, no?
In your opinion will Hispanic voters turn out next month?
Hard to generalize, I know. Will undoubtedly vary by region.
My People will fight or maybe its our time to die ages of the world we have known you call Lucifer the morning star
We called it the end of an age of Man. There have been other ages but maybe we are done in this world.
I’ve met a lot of people with a lot of degrees. Unless they were looking for a “position” those degrees didn’t do much, if anything, for their personality. Made most of ‘em assholes, matter o’ fact.
IOW, I’m not impressed by your academic credentials. They don’t mean shit here.
For clarification, post-naivete means one understands the background, the points for argument good and bad and chooses to believe anyway.
I am not an expert on electoral politics by any means, but when I taught college-level US Government a few years back we made a distinction between “prospective voting” and “retrospective voting”, in which prospective refers to voting based on imagined future performance of a candidate, and retrospective referring to voting based on the past performance of a candidate. BAL, undecided voters tend to be prospective voters, approachable by political campaigns, whereas high information voters tend to be retrospective voters. And as better educated voters tend to be both a) on the left and b) already decided, political campaigns and the money required for them would not be as helpful or necessary for a party on the left.
If the GOP does not take back the House, would Boehner still be majority leader if the GOP fails to pick up a decent number of seats?
I am not impressed by you at all, credentials or otherwise. I know when someone is talking out of their ass. And the informed opinion is always better.
Catfood Commish will surely release a recommendations report. Right? Sounds like we are already screwed. It’s just a matter now of how screwed. Retirement at 67 or 70. No COL raises for 2 years or 10 years.
Third Party Needed Now.
demi, you’re smookin today!
I promise not to cite my academic credentials (graduated from the 6th grade). “g”
I am a former university-level political science professor with three university degrees including a PhD. So YOU go study bowling, I would guess that is within YOUR educational level.
I think I remember Margaret Dumont saying something like this to Groucho Marx.
Bless your heart, and yes I remember who you love who used to say that.
((BT))
SouthernDragon tends to be one of the better informed people here (or anywhere). I insist that you return the “uninformed” mantle which is rightfully mine. :)
I’m not sure how that applies to turnout, but if you’re talking about undecideds, to the extent that they’re still a factor at this point in the race they’re probably not party-aligned. If Democrats are going to vote, they probably vote Democratic, and if Republicans are going to vote, they’re probably voting Republican. I believe most models assume roughly 1/3 of likely voters are “non-aligned” with either of the two parties, and that group is breaking 2-1 for the Republicans right now.
Turnout operations are usually focus on party-aligned people, although the DNC’s operation is focused on turning out Obama ’08 surge voters, who may not be. The wisdom of this strategy is a subject of debate within Democratic circles.
Ratty! I’m not a bowler, but what if there was a green smokers bowling club? That might be interesting? And, you are too informed. And, cared for.
Jane I need to hope ok and unlike the Tea baggers immigrant rights can bring in bigger crowds than glen beck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/41382
Jane the facts are there I don’t care if a front pager runs with this rather than me. We have to act like we can win we have to act like we can take control. We have to tell the cocktail weenie crowd its not impossible.
Has Glen ever despite his hate and lies to my people between our crowds?
Thanks again, Jane. I better go run some errands before I say something that gets me in trouble.
((FDL))
Because it suits their purpose at least for now?
Cheerleaders can’t understand a non-cheerleader mentality.
My father liked to use the phrase “educated idiots”
Demi I always got your back even when we argue…and I hate it when we argue.
(((demi)))
Time for me to sneeze the day. Wishing you (and all) a splendid afternoon.
TCU, I’ve been writing for years that the Democrats are playing with fire when it comes to the Latino vote, especially since the 2008 election.
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/08/12/hispanic-voters-must-be-the-professional-left-too/
You won’t find any argument from me.
It’s not necessarily a bad thing. And, if one is paying attention, the now keeps changing. *g*
A lot of education and little real life experience outside of academia. Dull and snooty.
The plutocrats are setting the stage for a cataclysmic event or series of events that will make the Reign of Terror in France look like a mannered Victorian Tea Party. The “system” has been broken for the working and middle class and works only for the well heeled and well connected. “Reforms” that merely tweak the edges will not save the current system and the ruling elites. It only buys a little more time.
Oh, no. Not you, baby. It’s been a really long time, if I recall correctly. You’re one of the good ones, the peachies, the ones with a true spirit and a good heart.
They may very well run away with the election. Not arguing that. Just that there are factors weighing in the Democrats’ favor that haven’t been factored in.
Media analysts tend to become enraptured with their own conclusions and look only for evidence that supports them. I just think there’s a level of analysis with regard to institutional GOP incompetence that hasn’t really penetrated, although the evidence is certainly there.
Hats off to the Master Jane. (As a white chick, I can say that to you Jane, can’t I?)
The Dems are the biggest impediment to enacting progressive legislation.
Wolves in sheeps’ clothing.
We need to get rid of them and found/support a truly progessive party to make real progress.
Hey if your feeling down about the Lake Girl I feel bad about not being around enough to back you the Lake has changed a bit ( more hidden trolls) than it was when we both started out.
What I am suggesting is that may be true only if you want to win undecideds. High information voters tend to respond to policies more so than cajoling to turn out, and the theory is that they turn themselves out. I agree with what you said except for the assumption that all of your ten points are completely unavoidable for anyone running for election; i.e., if you want to elect people you must play that game. In other words, I am saying that I agree that is the way things are done now, but that it may not be true that we MUST do things that way in order to elect people to office. Just a small clarification but one I believe.
I think you are quoting the part of my post that was quoting someone else.
Excellent analysis, Jane!
It makes me realize that I’m inclined to be more optimistic than the facts may warrant! *g*
Do you see any ‘game-changers’ that could come into play and dramatically alter the outcomes?
I think that most folks who are advocating for a third party aren’t serious about doing the work that is required for a candidate to win as a third party candidate.
We will see whether that is changing with two high-profile write-in candidates: Lisa Murkowski and Nathalie Dupree. Can they quickly develop a GOTV network, given their existing connections and media profile?
Obviously, a college education is no guarantee against Being FOOLED AGAIN! – “Rich Richman”.
“Progressive” ideas scare a lot of people. We see ‘em before every election. Later this month they’ll be on damn near every post, parroting reichwing media.
I’ve got my big girl panties on, but thanks. I know there are some wonderful pups who do have my back and we all can’t be here at the same times always. And, I thank you all with fondness.
No one said politics is easy or warm and fuzzy.
Really…going now, I’m out of milk. *g*
Jane cool but link it to Glen Beck we have bigger protests than that Fuck! But the MSM claims he is a political force as our protests get no Press?
Immigration Rights not Glen should be getting the press for being a political force just based on huge numbers!
Sorry I am not happy with the Lake complaining about Glen when they ignore we are bigger than he is.
The Left is for immigrant rights or isn’t it?
Hey Demi you got my back fierce on the Paul Krugmnan book club post I return favors with interest in all fondness:)
I am laughing as I imagine my truck-driver father or the work I did as a truck driver putting myself through school, and then in the summer in FL hand unloading a 40k pound CVS trailer in 95 degree weather when I was off from my normal job. Tell me, have YOU ever done a day of hard work in your life?
I agree, and it won’t be pretty.
Low information voters are still voters.
There are words for people who run for office and think only appealing to “high information voters” will win them the election.
Incumbent or winner are not among those words.
yes
Jane I don’t want to fight but yes I’m concerned why does Glen get the coverage even on FDL when his limp crowds are not even half our sides!
Well, even now it depends on the district: that might be true in Wyoming’s only congressional district, but less true in my old district in Denver, which had a highly educated population very attuned to what our (Shroeder and DeGette) rep voted on.
Not pretty but it holds out the hope of at long last justice for the working and middle class.
Late to this party (as usual) but thanks, Jane. This is an intriguing post. I was discussing the election this morning and was surprised that many have the gut feeling that Dems will do a lot better than the MSM seems to think.
I’ve lived in that district as well as in the 8th of Massachusetts (Tip O’Neill was my Congressman at the time), as well as the 3rd of Connecticut with Rosa DeLauro.
All of them have large numbers of low information voters and without those low info voters, none of those individuals would have won elections
Do you really expect the corporate media to “know” anything? As Upton Sinclair said “you can’t expect someone to know something when their paycheck is dependent on them not knowing.”
Tactically, that’s all true. In terms of messaging, time after time the GOP had blown opportunities to outflank the Democrats to the left (mostly due to mollifying their corporate donor base). Obama kept moving further and further right, hoping the GOP will hold hands and jump off the bridge with the Democrats (makes sense, that’s how the TARP bill was passed). The Republicans should have waited for Obama to take a stand on an issue, and then jumped over to his left and called him out as a Wall Street sellout. This White House is so damn slow-witted, the GOP could do that again and again before the WH would catch on to their game.
They could have outflanked Obama on the economy by letting him own the deficit hysteria position and gone back to the well with any number of proposals from Richard Nixon. His 1971 State of the Union address is an astonishingly progressive speech (by way of free market conservative language), it advocates for a negative income tax, full employment budget, more parks and green spaces, universal healthcare and revenue sharing to state and local governments.
The negative income tax is the most interesting idea and one I think we’ll see more of. In terms of reducing the size of government, welfare bureacracies foremost (15% of food stamp funding goes to administration, 1% of EITC’s does), its a winner, what’s more it allows Congress to effectively reduce income inequality without having to utter the words “income inequality”. Israel recently introduced a NIT and Britian’s's new Conservative government just announced its own plans for one. What’s sneaky about a NIT is that it would enable the party in opposition to kill government spending programs or tax expenditures simply by comparing the cost to the alternative of just increasing the NIT. Hmm, $50 billion to bail out unions (as the GOP labels infrastructure spending) versus taking the same sum and increasing the NIT tax credit for every American family (works the other way too to oppose corporate welfare).
That’s the kind of lower taxes versus higher spending debate we should be having. Instead we have Paul Ryan competing with Barack Hoover Obama as to which party can cut Social Security and Medicare the most (which is probably a disservice to Herbert Hoover, just learned last night in Fritz Hollings’s memoirs that JFK offered Hoover the job of first Peace Corps director).
Finally, on healthcare, the Republicans don’t have to be crazy liberals like David Vitter and endorse drug re-importations. They should have jumped, swam, run to get behind Ron Paul’s Private Option Health Care Act. I say that because of one remarkable section–
A. Provides all Americans with a tax credit for 100% of health care expenses. The tax credit is fully refundable against both income and payroll taxes.
Cutting taxes while doing good is, for a Republican, a redundant statement. But from our point of view, it would be a hell of lot easier to move to a single-payer system from Ron Paul’s bill (since the government would already be responsible for funding everyone’s healthcare) than from Obama’s dog food of a healthcare law. Oh yeah, Paul throws in Vitter’s drug re-importation amendment as well. Which we’d all agree is, like expanding Medicare benefits, “consistent with the Reagan philosophy of providing coverage where possible at the lowest possible cost”. Love that quote. :o)
http://articles.latimes.com/1987-02-12/news/mn-2917_1/2
Why is it that only the right is advocating for a smaller government? Are the Dem’s happy to support this Leviathan?
“Independents” are often low information voters yet they are always championed in the media. They are the ones that are often ignorant of history, issues, candidates etc. and are the most easily manipulated like marionettes. They often finally make their uninformed decisions based on a 30 second ad or meaningless sound bite.
Republican will pick up seats next month because the Democrats threw away their mandate from 2006 and 2008. Not even Republican fearmongering and running misinformation campaigns over the last two years explains what will happen next month.
Democrats deserve what they’re going to get. Republicans don’t.
The bottom line is that Republicans have done nothing to celebrate and have offered nothing that would solve real problems if they should win the majority.
Yes. But what is interesting (especially since just now I was told I would be happier on a bowling website for not agreeing about organizing voters) is that, IMHO, a cataclysm isn’t attractive as a motor in the absence of organization beforehand. When asked “what is responsible for your situation” we want workers to understand that inequality, unemployment, poverty, periodic crises, etc. are endemic to capitalism. In the absence of such consciousness unattractive, possibly racist and xenophobic, answers may fill that void and result in a regime much worse even than what we have now. Prior organization and consciousness about the nature of capitalism is necessary, a crisis that brings out these contradictions is sufficient, to a better system.
I only expect the MSM to know enough to skew the information. :^)
My surprise was that the people I was discussing this with did not seem swayed by what the MSM was saying.
Every Post about Glen on the Lake should mention just how small his crowds are the same as the Lake mentioned Maccaca at every chance we got Jane. I love you but I’m disappointed. True Love is telling the truth to someone we love the Lake unlike the GOP does not look the other way!
You may be right, I think Jane is right about the importance of organization, I am just afraid that it is overstated in the context of organizing a third party for the left.
An NiT compared to Obama care vs drug Price controls and National Healthcare or ending both wars of the drop in consumer spending if we cut SS never mind the lack of stimulus if we don’t create more jobs?
This I can use…quite well:)
Levithan can be awaken!
Does working as a hand on a cattle ranch count? Full time, not a summer job. After 14 years in the Navy and college. Does working with psychiatric patients on locked units count? 16 years of that. Decided computer science was an easier gig.
Special Book Salon up with Bob Woodward’s Obama’s Wars hosted by Greg Mitchell
Thanks Jane for a great, sophisticated analysis of factors favorable to cutting D losses.
I think you also could have added, that the popular accepted spin about the electorate being naturally right, and moving back there, is a lie.The democrats led by Obama havent lost any ground to the right, there was never any ground there to give. In the hyper polarized,faux left-right environmrnt that existed even before 2008,the election of African American, presumed “liberal” Obama stripped any center right leaning indys dems or repubs(a small group that clinton appealed to) away from the Dems like a poweful cracker magnet. The Dems problem is the falling away of traditional Dem constituencies, out of disgust.
Some good news… (so far, anyway)
Obama is not going to sign that notarization bill that would have made it harder to fight foreclosures, according to Arthur Delaney at HuffPost.
Jane,
Any opinion about whether there might be an impact from Repug voter suppression in this tight environment? Are Dems ready?
yeah i had a conversation with a kid of 20 or so the other day, i let him go on about it and he gave me this deep, alternative history of the 20th century where “the free market” is responsible for the 8 hour work day,workplace safety and health regulations, child labor laws, etc., etc., etc., He got a head full of this just here and there, eveywhere one hears right wing talking points. The right have become the “relativists” they so complained about. Some questions have right and wrong answers. George Will and Robert Novak really began it, turning fact into opinion. Its infected the entire culture.
There … fixed it for you as that’s what many folks called it the first time back in 1994 despite its current JIT Halloween resurrection as Zombie A Go-Go with all the truly bats#t crazy “warbling about chickens, witchcraft and masturbation” and all.
Today’s brazen, poisonous attempt by Villagers to try to preserve their positions at the expense of everyone else is more of the same but it looks like it is something Obama doesn’t want to own.
I have heard the same stories in regard to unions, that is was inevitable destiny that labor conditions would be better than in Marx’s (or Dickens’) time and that therefore unions are no longer necessary. It is like a car hanging on a precipice, where everyone moves into the back seat to keep it from leaning over the edge, and then decides that the car isn’t leaning anymore so we can move back into the front seat. A complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
Well, doesn’t look like anyone’s picked this up yet…. We could debate how tough the race would have been for Hickenlooper had Scott McInnis not imploded in his plagiarism scandal (I think he still would have won but it would have been a lot closer), but one thing not up for debate is that it is John Hickenlooper, the former microbrewer and current mayor of Denver, who is running for governor, not his cousin, director George Hickenlooper! You Hollywood types.
Yep I knew that. Just hit the “reply” button.
Does he still run Wynncoop’s (sp.)? I was in a focus group when he was running for mayor, I got $50 for it. When asked what we cared about people in the group said education, to which I replied the Mayor has no control over education. What I cared about that he could change was the new parking meters in LoDo, because it wasn’t worth going downtown anymore. Guess what he ran on. TRUE STORY.
sorry, my hollywood roots r showing.
He sold his stake in the Wynkoop when he became mayor.
And Hah – they actually have new hi-tech meters downtown that accept credit cards so no more searching for change and such, and an unanticipated by-product is their parking ticket revenue is down because people aren’t ending up with expired meters!
LOL!!! Take your pick, right? Talk about the lowest common denominator!!
Heh. At least you didn’t write about Tony Bennett’s Senate campaign!
Ah, excuse me, I am an independent voter. I think you’re making a pretty big generalization about us. I think what you’re describing sounds a lot more like a party hack who votes the party line without analysis or question.
TCU, I read your posts and generally think they are valuable.
But PLEASE, could you use some punctuation? It is SO difficult to understand what you write when it is run-on.
This particular post is a good example.
I know you may be excited and anxious to get your thoughts posted, but it would help all of us understand them if you could utilize some punctuation.
This is said in a helpful, not critical, manner.
You nailed it.
Thanks.
I’m an Independent Voter and I see the Democrats taking the hit this election for high unemployment and failure to create new jobs. The hard truth is the average Chinese Labor Rate is 65 cents per hour. The Country believes in free markets and Capitalism. Corporations exist to make profits and dividends for their shareholders. Corporation CEO’s are not going to pay American Workers $ 20.00 per hour when they can get it done in China at 65 cents per hour. Republicans believe in laissez faire business practices and Democrats support globalization so this steady drain of manufacturing jobs will go on year after year. Independents and Middle Class Voters are searching for candidates who will address and champion a solution to this job drain to foreign countries. Both Republicans and Democrats avoid talking about the Chinese and Asian Labor Rates and its impact on new job creation like it was the plague.
Free markets and capitalism are what pushed for nafta and outsourcing! Republicans and libertarians want to take us back to the 19th century when children worked 18 hours in the mines and workers were routinely subjected to appalling working conditions for pennies an hour. That’s what true capitalism is all about. The choice is pretty clear in this election!
You are a bit confused, “globalization” (or “global neoliberalism”) is defined as a transition from state-mediated economic flows and outcomes to market-mediated economic flows and outcomes, which IS laissez-faire economics.
I trust we can have a conversation about the issues without descending into namecalling.
This $30.400 a plate dinner is the reason we did not get Public Option but Individual Mandates for private Corporations. Anyone putting this kind of money expects minimum 100% return either in form of lower taxes or individual mandates on customers of their businesses or Social Security gutting. FDR would have welcomed the opportunity to forgo these $30,400 a plate dinners to take care of 28,000 people who showed up at Winconsin rally.
to follow up on my point of the advantages of Congress cutting government programs at the same it reduces income inequality–
Income inequality makes the poor more conservative — more likely to support smaller government and actually to perpetuate income inequality, two academics argue in a report released earlier this year… The authors’ conclusion, which they say is likely to be “surprising to many readers,” is that “both the rich and the poor respond to rising inequality by shifting in a conservative direction.” This conservatism includes a desire to cut government programs such as welfare.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/07/income-inequality-conservative_n_754314.html
I see David Frum just posted about the UK’s NIT proposal.
http://www.frumforum.com/is-britain-moving-to-a-negative-income-tax
I used to root for “more and better,” now I root for “better and enough.” Let’s hope we win the House again on election day, and that the Blue Dogs go down hard.
IMO there is nothing inherently better about third parties. They can become just as corrupt as the current two. And I do not really trust any politicians.
However, there is a big advantage in voting 3rd party, whether one really expects them to win or not.
The reason why the Democrats think they can sell us out, and still get our votes, is because they think we’ve got no alternatives. And as long as we continue to vote for them, there is no reason for them to change (why not try to get handouts from the big corps, if it does not cost them votes?). If they start losing votes to more liberal alternative parties, they will be forced to change.
That is why I will be voting Green from now on—until the Democrats learn their lesson. Yes, that may mean paying a price in the short term, because it may allow the Republicans to get into power (and I do feel that they are slightly worse than the Democrats). Yet, in the long term, forcing the Democrats to change is worth that short term price.
My question is: what did the Democratic party learn from the proud Greenies who voted against Gore?
If Obama had heard that message, we’d all be better off now.
Jane,
Jane, Jane, Jane,
This is why I am one of if not your biggest critic. You whine, moan, and complain on televison about Obama this, the Democrats that, when in the grand scheme of things you support an institution (Democratic Party) that only has the interests of rightwing wealthy elites at heart. Jane, look at the logic of all of this. Democrats started off the 111th Congress with 257 seats in the House and 60 seats in the Senate. They did not want to get anything done but they had a filibuster proof majority and therefore no excuses. But excuse made by Demcoratic Party leadership: Republican Party and of course unmentioned Republican style Democrats obstructing (in the form of Blanche Lincoln, Mary Landrieu, Ben Nelson, House Republicans in the Democratic Party etc.) Since those sixty seats in the Senate were a problem, enter Scott Brown special election victory in MA via the incompetent Martha Coakley. Excuse of Democratic Party Leadership: Well, we no longer hold filibuster proof majority and Republicans continue to obstruct.
Well, enter the 2010 midterm elections. You now hope against hope that Democrats will do “better than exepcted” What does that mean in the big picture? If Republicans have been obstructing for two whole years and they have only 41 seats in the Senate, what, do you think that they will suddenly stop obstructing and filibustering if they have 44, 45, or 46 seats in the Senate? Why do you mislead your supporters and followers by supporting a party (The Democrats) that throw you and your ideas under the bus every single time? Even Elizabeth Warren is only “an advisor wannabe” and not the head of the new Consumer protection agency. Take a hint from Arianna Huffington, Obama is not that into you, the middle class, the poor, and the powerless in this country. He is of, by, and for the wealthy elites. And in the grand scheme of things, the nation would be no worse off with the Democrats getting slaughtered on November 2.
All,
Remember,
When it came time for Al Franken in MN to be seated, Norm “dirtbag” Coleman and the Republicans did everything possible to stop him from being seated. Dragging the MN Senate race election out to infinity. Took all of what, five months after the election to get Al Franken seated in the Senate? Reverse the role, when Scott Brown, a Republican, wins a special election in MA, Harry Reid, Democratic Majority Leader of the Senate, wasts no time in getting Scott Brown, a Republican, seated. Why? He did know that Scott Brown would take away the 60th seat, and therefore, the filibuster proof majority from the Democrats. Think about it people, the Democrats (like the Republicans) have no interest in governing and invent every situation and excuse to not do so because that is not why they are there in the first place.
And this is why I don’t take your criticism seriously. There is nothing in this post that says anything about what I “hope.” It’s an analysis post, pure and simple.
You would do better to read the post and respond to what I actually wrote. You’re writing responses to some voices in your own head.
Jane,
Only Randy Orton listens to voices in his head, Jane. But seriously, why not come clean and admit that you are a closet Democrat? As for writing a so-called analysis piece, why should it matter to you who controls the House and Senate, given that the only agenda being passed is a corporate one coupled with the matching police state powers to boot? I would almost feel sorry for you but I have no sympathy for those whose wounds are self-inflicted. And thinking that Obama and the Democatic Party is the party of progressive liberal ideas is the epitome of a self-inflicted wound.
But this is why Arianna Huffington has more of my respect than you. She at least knows the score, and is honest enough to admit it…………..
I am hoping some of on-the-ground organizational factors Jane points out also effect the govs. race here in Oregon especially as they relate to newbies. Chris Dudley the republican never ran, nor held any state wide office before getting the goper nomination for governor. He looks to be hiring alot of outside professionals, but that cannot replace deep connections even in a weak state party like gopers in Oregon.
Tom Bruggeare who ran against Gordon Smith (Senate) and lost found this out. Tom was a great liberal candidate and successful tech guy who ran for the Senate but never held any other office. He like Dudley it seems to me, both made the mistake of not learning to win local elections and developing connections into the activist bsase of the party. While Gordon Smith was the Senate president, he had deep ties all over the state to the goper base.
Kitzhaber is an ex-governor and served long time in the legislature. He has been deep political ties to Oregon Dems. I think this fact will bring him home election night next month, inspite of some shakey poll numbers.
Also, didn’t think about this before, but writers here pointed out how anti-pot CA dems will actually benefit from the pot initiative as it will bring younger people to the polls who will vote Dem.
Oregon is also have a pot initiative on the ballot. Looks much better for Kitz.
Good analysis–Dems I will believe hold on to both Houses. But then they will ensure their defeat in 2012 and my personal exit from the Dem party when the Cat Food Commission recommendations are approved.