The ballot initiative Proposition 19, which would legalize, tax and regulate marijuana in California, still leads by nine points in the latest poll from PPP:
PPP (PDF) (9/14-16)
Proposition 19 would legalize marijuana under California but not federal law. It would permit local governments to regulate and tax commercial production, distribution, and sale of marijuana. Will you vote yes or no on Proposition 19?
Yes 47%
No 38%
Undecided 14%
The good news is that Yes on Prop 19 still has that fairly large nine-point margin over No on Prop 19. This is larger than we saw in the most recent SurveyUSA poll, which found it 47 percent yes -43 no.
There are, however, two worrying signs: one is that the ballot measure is polling just below 50 percent, which is generally considered a danger zone for ballot measures. Undecideds tend to break against a ballot questoins. When they don’t fully understand or know enough about a proposition, voting “no” to keep things as they currently are tends to be the default choice. I suspect given the very high profile of Prop 19 and the fairly simple-to-understand point at the heart of it, that wouldn’t be as big an issue for this ballot measure. For example, another high-profile ballot measure, the 2008 anti-gay marriage Prop 8, didn’t see undecideds break sharply to vote “no.”
The second concern is that since July, when PPP last polled this question, support for Prop 19 has fallen modestly from 52 percent yes, 36 percent no.
The poll did find evidence that having Prop 19 on the ballot is actually making young voters enthusiastic about voting for it. From Tom Jensen:
A big question to contemplate in California is whether the marijuana initiative is helping to stifle the enthusiasm gap Democrats are dealing with in most other states, particularly when it comes to intended turnout from young voters. We’re seeing a much higher level of interest in this election from voters under 45 in California than in most places and those folks are highly favorable toward Proposition 19, planning to vote for it by a 54/34 margin.
Those same young voters are fueling much of the lead for Jerry Brown in the Governor’s race and Barbara Boxer in the Senate- if Brown and Boxer win they may have the marijuana initiative to thank for driving turnout from folks who would otherwise have been drop off voters in a midterm. We’ll do more research on what races are bringing people out the next time we poll California.
Young voters are very supportive of marijuana legalization. The poll found likely voters 18-29 years old favored Proposition 19, 67 percent to 24 percent. If young people turnout in larger-than-expected numbers to vote for Prop 19, my analysis shows that would significantly increase its chances of passing. Given that support for Prop 19 is hovering right around 50 percent, the size of the youth turnout could easily make the difference between success and failure.



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Under 30 year old turnout will determine whether Prop 19 passes.
I think I heard Chris Conrad and Mikki Norris given kudos for working on GoTV during one of the NORML conference video streams. (I vaguely recall something about having OFA help – voter lists? if that’s true it is very good news, although the ID operation on those lists needs to be done ASAP). Chris and Mikki been doing fine work as activists for a long time – Mikki in particular with her Cannabis Consumers Campaign, and work with Virginia Resner and Families Against Mandatory Minimums.
Isn’t it about time for the Mormons to show up with a “scientific” study showing how smoking rope leads one to a life of homosexual depravity?
smoke out
turn out
vote out
the pot ban
and while U R @ it
vote Democratic.
and dont look now, but over at TPM, the generic Congressional ballot took a turn for the better for DEMS.GOP margin is under 3.5%.
Gah! I was having lunch a few weeks back with my 63-year-old brother and his 11-year-old son when his son started parrotting all the old myths about mother nature (did I mention they’re members of the Mormon temple?). It sounded like he’d gotten the list straight from Reefer Madness: physically addictive, ruined lives, gateway to heroin, MJ psychosis, no medical uses, blah, blah, blah. I was soooo tempted to run back to the car in the parking lot at get out my Los Angeles County MMID card and point out to the dear boy that he was wrongitty-wrong-wrong, but it was my brother’s birthday lunch and I didn’t want to be the party pooper. Next time, maybe. (:>
They better hope those voters don’t hold their anti-19 stances against them…
indeed
Medical Marijuana should be made legal. Other should be decriminalized but not made legal.
What CA does is immaterial. It does not over-ride federal law which makes it illegal.
I am tired of people advocating for drugs that whacks kids out in school, makes them paranoid, and destroys families. When you have investigated 3,000 cases of child abuse come talk to me!
Only pot can save the Dems electoral chances.
It’s really come to that.
please gods man jesus FREEDOM FOR ALL IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY IN MY LIFETIME – it’s just a plant. the oleander growing in my side yard is more deadly than marijuana & it is perfectly legal … greed driven maniacs running our country.
If you are worried about child abuse you should be pushing to make alcohol illegal. Know some abuse of alcoholics, pot smokers not so much
Yes, let’s keep it illegal so it is only regulated as much as the black market will allow. Capital suggestion.
How do you stop fights at sporting events while at the same time increasing food sales?
Get rid of alcohol and serve joints.
What a pleasure to find Ariana Huffington, the publisher of the largest political blog on the WEB visting FDL, the most signifigant Left blog on the web!imho
+1
As usual the corporate Republican SF Chronicle newspaper has suggested a no vote on Prop. 19. It is time for imperial corporate puritanical America to finally end its wars on pot smokers, Iraqis, Afghans, gays, and sex business workers.
Mikki’s book was what got me started. I sent away for it and when I got it, it just broke my heart. I got a used copy with signatures of the authors. Look how expensive new copies are, it must be a collector’s item now.
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?binding=&mtype=B&keyword=mikki+norris&hs.x=0&hs.y=0&hs=Submit
Did you see this?
Mock All You Want, Republicans And Conservatives Take Witchcraft Seriously
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/mock-all-you-want-republicans-and-conservatives-take-witchcraft-seriously.php?ref=fpblg
I noticed he referenced “marijuana-worship”, I have to wonder about that since I never really hard of it before. So I looked it up and I’m not finding much. Lots of religions consider it a sacrament, but worshiping the plant itself does not seem to be very common. No religion or church is coming up with that name, unless there are gremlins in my google … I do seem to be having spy issues today.
Here is one definition,
Marijuana and Religion
http://www.religionfacts.com/rastafari/marijuana_and_religion.htm
And of course my church,
THC Ministry
http://www.thc-ministry.org/
Sister Lauren
Bong hits for Jesus!
If you are a believer, join my church. We already have thousands and you don’t even have to be a christian or send any money. Everyone is welcome, even Native Americans and Atheists. Join today.
The Rapture is scheduled for May 21. Be there or be square, byob.
Yeah, but what was the last time anyone was arrested by a federal agent for buying a dime-bag of pot? State/local police account for 99% of nation-wide enforcement of drug laws, that’s hardly “immaterial.”
Are you kidding? Who would they abuse?
The federal law is unconstitutional.
Look, folks, I think MJ should be decriminalized. And if 19 gets enough young Californians out to keep moonbats like Fiorina out of Washington and Whitman away from Sac’to, then it’s a good deal.
But if 19 passes some things will happen, and none of them are good.
1. While Obama has called the dogs off on MMJ dispensaries, legalized MJ is an entirely different matter. Expect lawsuits from the USDoJ to stop this in its tracks. Prop 19 creates a legal market in a substance that is banned federally. The Feds will step in on Interstate Commerce grounds, and frankly I think they’ll win.
2. Supposing that I’m wrong about that, and the Federal Courts rule that California can create a legal market in MJ, it won’t generate the tax revenues that 19 supporters claim. The numbers simply don’t add up. See Mark Kleiman’s blog and the referred LA Times OpEd.
I trust two offical state agency to calculated expected tax revenue better than Mark Kleinman
“But if 19 passes some things will happen, and none of them are good.”
Nonsense! Many good things will result… specifically the cessation of arresting adults for partaking in a cultivated herb.
Let Obama DOJ fight this. Bring it out in the open, if this is his position. I agree the tax revenues won’t be as high as some projections, because the price will drop precipitously. This is a good thing. However, the benefits to the budget from reduced incarcerations would be considerable.
Can you produce some sort of factual evidence that marijuana makes people paranoid and destroys families? Or “whacks kids out” in school?
I agree. The courts will overturn 19. I want to see it pass anyway.
Kleiman’s math is plausible.
State official’s estimate: $1.4B annual revenue at $50 tax per ounce.
28,000,000 ounces sold. About an ounce for every Californian.
Say 10% of Californian’s will buy legal cannabis. That’s about 3.5 million people, smoking 8 ounces a year, or 3 quarter ounces a month, more than an eighth ounce every week. That’s fairly heavy use.
Growing for personal use wouldn’t necessarily result in any tax revenue. Kleiman went with about 10% of the $1.4B. I suspect he’s the correct order of magnitude – revenue of $200M – $500M may be possible.
If we have to make budget arguments we’re on a lot firmer ground with the decrease in spending on enforcement. And we get the bonus of not “raising taxes” (boogie man for some people), but rather “cutting wasteful spending” (Greatest thing since sliced bread for those same people – call it smaller government!).
The Christian fundamentalists have creatively redefined the word “sorcerer”, found in the revelatory and prophetical books of the New Testament, to mean “drug user”. This occurred in/around 1983.
I live in
HellOklahoma. I recall smoking copious amounts of marajuana before school. Also before school, the nearby megachurch sponsored dozens of religious “classes” before first period. One of those “classes” was about evil evil backmasking and evil evil album covers. I and my newwave/heavymetal/gay as all get out/drama club/etc friends would go to those classes just to hear clips from Judas Priest. It was in those “classes” that I learned about the fundie redefinition of “sorcerer”.P.S. Rob Halford is truly a Rock God, an absolutely growling WEREWOLF on Rock-a-Rolla.
Exactly. If CA legalizes marijuana, the fed is not going to spend the zillions required to enforce federal law in CA. The fed will make a few highly publicized arrests, complete with perp walks and show trials, but that won’t last long. Once the fed sees that the people in CA are not afraid, the fed will probably back down.
AshcroftGonzales v Raich – held that cannabis grown in CA for a brain tumor patient impacted interstate commerce – it could influence black market prices in other states. Angel’s supplier at the time can’t grow now. (Angel still is able to get medicine, the suit was to establish a legal supply for her).The fed will move against Prop 19. And while that precedent did not overturn Prop 215 it did reinforce federal law’s supremacy over state law.
I suspect that the feds would come in and close legal sales outlets whenever they open. Some prosecutions, more injunctions and seizures of contraband and store fronts.
What exactly do you think the Federal Courts will do, direct California law officials to enforce federal law? Direct the California state legislature to pass a law? Any 1st year law student will tell you that both of these are unconstitutional.
People really don’t understand federalism.
Gonzales held that a federal law prohibiting marijuana was constitutional. It didn’t say anything about a state’s duty to enforce federal law.
I’m not saying you didn’t understand that, I’m just pointing it out for many of the posters here who don’t seem to be thinking very clearly.
I keep hearing over and over, don’t vote for Fiorina or Whitman. It would seem the biggest argument against these two is “they’re spending their own, unlimited funds” to politik. So What??? I find that more enticing to vote for them than any of the others. Why?
Neither Fiorina nor Whitman would enter office “BEHOLDING” to anyone. No one with great expetations of some sort of “payback” in the wings, at our expense. It would seem many of you have forgotten why we got Jerry Brown OUT of office to begin with. “Moonbeam” was a horrible governor and that was when California HAD money. Then, some of us haven’t forgotten Jerry’s antics before.
I’m not voting Democratic Nor Republican. I’m voting “Anti-Incumbent!” This time and next! And if they’ve been there before, I sure as hell won’t put them back.
I’m 65 years old. And, yes, I use (not abuse) Cannabis. Mostly, for treatment of my PTSD. I began smoking Cannabis once I had returned from Vietnam. During that period, just to show how burnt out it made me, I somehow ended up with:
1. A Ph.D in Behavioral Sciences,
2. A JD (Law) degree,
3. FCC Amateur Extra License,
4. FAA Airplane/Helicopter/Instrument Instructor certificates,
And many, many more.
So, you can see how it interrupted my education. And each of those 4 items were completed in less than the normal time duration. And, consider, it only takes ONE to prove an “absolute” false!
Ezrydn I have a similar story. Since I’ve started smoking Marijuana I’ve quit drinking and smoking cigarettes, am healthier than I’ve been since I was on my HS football team, and I’m getting straight A’s in school as I’m finishing up my bachelors.
The O-man’s administration is not going to contest the ‘will of the people’ in CA – the largest Dem voting block in the USA. And by 2013, after two years of legal pot in CA, if there’s a new president. . . ever tired putting toothpaste back in a tube?