There is great concern that the Republicans will take control of the House of Representatives and even possibly the Senate in the 2010 elections. While most prognosticators are predicting huge wins for the Republican Party, their current seat deficit is so great that if they do win back the majority in the House, it will likely be by less than a dozen seats. If Democrats do manage to hold on to the House, it will likely also be with a very narrow majority. While I’ve been told with much hand waving to be very scared about the prospect of Speaker John Boehner, what no one in the Democratic party has legitimately explained to me–or the rest of America–is why we should care. . . be it Republicans or Democrats with narrow control of the House.
For the past two years, Democrats have at every turn repeated the completely fictitious “you need 60 votes in the Senate” myth to duck accountability and justify their wasteful corporate giveaways. Even if the Democrats do manage to hold on to the House and Senate, they will have only tiny majorities in both. With only 53 Democratic senators, there is no hope that Democrats can pass anything substantial–things on which they have already failed to act –as long as they are committed to giving the Republican minority some sort of quasi-parliamentary veto power.
On the flip side, there is no way Republicans can win the House and a 60-seat majority in the Senate (let alone the 67-vote majorities they would need to override an Obama veto). I’ve been told for two years a mere 59 Democrats in the Senate are powerless due to the filibuster; by this same logic, we have nothing to fear from Republican gains because they will never be able to get anything through a Democratic filibuster, and even if they do, Obama can veto it.
Democratic voters have no reason to vote for Democrats, or even much reason to vote against Republicans.
The Democratic leadership has made it clear that they can’t promise anything, even if voters do turn out to support them this November. And the last two years of accountability-dodging propaganda also makes fear mongering about a Republican-controlled House seem silly. Democrats in the Senate can (theoretically) stop legislation, either by majority vote or the much ballyhooed filibuster, and if not, Obama can veto it. Talk of how a segment of Republican candidates favors privatizing Social Security or eliminating Medicare does demonstrate that they are out of touch with mainstream America, but in all honesty there is zero possibility that either move would come about as a result of Republican action alone, with or without winning narrow control of the House.
There needs to be a tangible reason to support Democrats this cycle, and there just isn’t.
Where is the Democratic platform–the core values, the themes, the proposals–combined with a commitment to Senate rules reform that would ensure such a platform were actually enacted? Where are the awesome new laws Democrats promise to pass if we return them to power? Where is their workable plan to fix our crippling unemployment problem? So far, the silence deafening. I haven’t heard Democrats promise one big thing they would pass using reconciliation if they manage to maintain a majority in the House.
Given the Democrats’ Congressional paralysis of the last year, and Obama’s veto power, the fear mongering over sweeping Republican changes is baseless. I’ve heard only two legitimate policy cases for why a Democratic base would really not want Republicans to take the House this year. The first is that Obama is a secret conservative who will happily join a triumphant Speaker Boehner in passing the Republican platform. (Note: claiming your president is secretly excited to work against the party’s own platform is not a good way to increase base enthusiasm.) The second is that if Republicans control the House, Obama won’t be able to take a piss without Darrel Issa subpoenaing the urinal, making it impossible for Obama to get anything done. Sadly, this argument would resonate better if Obama had used his powers during some part of the current session to bypass Republican obstruction and advance progressive goals (like quickly putting Elizabeth Warren in charge of the CFPB, for instance).
No wonder there is a huge enthusiasm gap. Not only is the economy in terrible shape, but I’ve yet to hear a single Democrat articulate a solid reason to support the party as a whole. . . and if I haven’t heard a good reason for why Democrats should turn out this year, I can assure you, neither has the base.
So, Democrats should not be surprised when many of the enthusiastic voters of 2008 don’t go to the polls this year. They might be warning voters about the real possibility that Republicans could take control of the House, but Democrats have utterly failed to explain to Americans why they should care.



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Jon,
Marvelous stuff.
I think it’s part of a scheme.
There’s a dance that both parties do – details are too numerous – and, every once in awhile, the majority party passes along slyly the following message: “It’s your turn!”
Obama is the American Khatami. And we know how well that’s worked out.
How terribly shrill you are!
I will vote for whatever Democrats I can. Not that it will do much good as I am in a very safe Republican district in Arizona. We wandered in the woods too long during the Bush years thanks in part to the Nader voters. And the country got more fucked up under Bush than we care to remember. Am I pissed at Obama, very much so. However I despise the Republican Party and the Teabaggers and the hatred and exclusion they foster.
Amen Amen Amen.
I’ll probably go to the polls though. But that’s what third parties and write ins are for. Right now in Indiana, the Ellsworth campaign has taken a page from Cully Stimson and is sending out fundraising missives that tout the scarey beary fact that Coats worked for a law firm that Represented Detainees At GITMO!!
yep – that’s the Democratic candidate – arguing that the Republican is a bad choice bc he actually worked for a mega firm (King & Spalding) that represented/represents detainees. Neither of them, btw, support the public option. who cares which you end up with?
Who’s shrill?
Jon, this is one of the best political analysis pieces I’ve ever read at FDL; which itself has a pension for producing great political analysis.
This kind of, “Well it can’t be both at the same time.” dissections is perfect for dismantling the unmitigated bullshit of apparatchiks of any stripe.
I’m probably best known for my faint praise, to put it mildly, but this is really superb.
What we’ve all learned since early 2009 is that, in terms of policy, there would be little difference between a Democratic majority and a Republican majority in the House and Senate.
The only difference if Republicans win a narrow majority in Nov would be that a Republican House would launch investigations in search of scandals. If that’s what happens, I’ll blame Obama and the Democratic leadership for wasting opportunities, breaking promises, and turning off the base these past two years. They have no one to blame but themselves.
But you have to vote Democratic, we need a majority to prove how compromised we are.
I stood with Howard Dean in 2003 and have been active in politics ever since. Progressives seem to have bought the MSM line that we are all gonna stay home this November, when we should be solidifying the gains that we’ve made.
As it turned out, Obama is no Howard Dean, but we all pretty much knew that going into the last election cycle. In the primaries we won some and lost some.
Point being, progressives have to swamp the polls in November. We knew in 2003 that the change would take time. Losing sight of this so soon would be a disaster.
Wrong. It doesn’t have to be “both at one time” when it’s actually been something else all along… i.e. “pro-immensely wealthy”
All a change in seating will do is give dems an even greater incentive for selling us out more completely than they already have… but then again an overwhelming dem victory in 2010 would have them using exactly the same reasons to sell us out more completely than they already have……
… must be nice to be an oligarch as it’s always a buyer’s market nowadays.
I used to be confused by the constant energy that the right wing had for hate. It really fuels them. Then when they won everything with Bush I remember thinking, “Well now they will just sit back and be satisfied.”
I was wrong. They are the kind of people who are never satisfied.
“It is not so much that I shall win, but that my enemy shall fail.”
I wondered where my idea of the right came from. That they would calm down since they are in charge and got everything they wanted. I realized it was because that is what I would do. And I think that is what many people did after Obama got elected –along with the House and Senate.
I was exhausted after getting them all elected, fighting right wing media and taking away their money.
If they make significant gains in the House and Senate I think that it will re-energize some people.
For me I’ve figured out that who we are fighting didn’t go away with Obama’s election. The corporate money is still messing up our lives.
Right now it is poisoning our food as well as destroying our economy.
So that is who needs to be focused on.
We knew in 2003 that the change would take time.
Which changes do you appreciate the most thus far?
What you said wasn’t at all related to what I said.
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I think we should have realized that Democrats that lacked spine when in the minority would still lack spine when in the majority.
There are really only two things Democrats have to stand firm on: civil liberties and the economic interests of the working class. Obama has failed on both of these issues, carrying on the torture/assassination/spying policies of Bush and supporting Wall Street over Main Street. The Democrats in the Senate are more interested in the needs of corporate lobbyists than people. Ironically, the House has been basically on the right track and that’s where Democrats are most likely to lose power.
As we watch Obama’s unfailing support for Alan Simpson’s cat food commission while he touts the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan when rolling out plans for GOP tax cuts disguised as job help, how are we supposed to care about who gets elected?
thank you for your kind words
Arlen Specter lost, Lilly Ledbetter won, decent credit card reform, electronic medical records, cash for clunkers, reasonably intelligent foreign policy for a change, renewable energy investment, middle class tax cuts…
You mean “penchant.” Nobody in America has a pension anymore.
The good news is that after the Republicans take the House the media will have all sorts of exciting investigations to cover.
“Where are Obama’s college papers, grades, thesis? Stop the cover up!”
“Obama’s college sweethearts? Who were they? Any of them have secret stories to tell of Muslim prayer on dates?”
“Obama, Boxes or Briefs? What kind of birth control did he use in college? Ribbed for her pleasure?”
“Obama’s cigarette smoking? How often? What brand? Why Menthol?”
“Obama time travelers placed ads in Hawaiian’ papers showing his birth. What else were they up to? Can we have access to the time machine? Why not?”
It will be fun!
Agree 100% with this statement — and with 99% of the rest of the piece. My only reservation is that I don’t think it quite captures how bad it will be for the country if the Rs win the House — much less the House and the Senate. Obama not being “able to take a piss without Darrel Issa subpoenaing the urinal, making it impossible for Obama to get anything done” I fear will be the least of it.
Recognizing that Obama and the Ds have been epic failures — and can be expected to repeat the performance if left in power — I think we have to come to grips with how much worse things could get for low- and middle-income folks if the Rs gain control. I know it’s fashionable to say “how much worse can it get?” But it really could get a lot worse.
Whatever happened to the fiscal year 2011 budget resolution? Did it ever pass? Did it include reconciliation instructions? From back in April:
The Democratic Senate Budget Committee website indicates that the Fiscal Year 2011 Senate Budget Resolution passed the Senate Budget Committee back in April, but there’s no indication it ever passed the full Senate.
I’m voting Dem and I’m going to drag everyone to the polls that I can. All your points are valid, this has been a very disappointing 2yrs. OTOH, it aint nothing compared to the 8yts of Bush. I was like a raving loon during that time. That’s when I found the internet which was the only thing keeping me sane.
I see what the Republicans are doing as projection on their part of their own fear about losing in November, turned into a propaganda ploy used against Democrats.
Thus, the talking heads of the right-wing propaganda machine repeating numerous statements about how afraid Democrats are of losing control of Congress after the November elections, which is actually an attempt by the Republican establishment to deflect their own fear that the cracked TeaPot Dumb Partiers will cost them election after election in November, giving Democrats larger majorities in both the House and Senate.
One must understand that the Republican strategy is to appeal to enough Independents, through promoting the Republicans’ obvious corporate slant in “populist” terms while hoping that people will forget the corporation-hugging nation-destroying Bush/Cheney years, that these Independents will believe the Republicans’ mantra that Democrats are afraid of losing in November and therefore Independents should vote for Republicans (including cracked TeaPot Dumb Partiers) come November, no matter what the evidence is that putting Republicans back in power would be disastrous for our nation and the future of our nation’s children.
BTW, I’m not at all satisfied with some of the stunts pulled by Democratic Party leadership over the past four years (first in Congress and now in the White House and Congress), especially by the Blue Dog Dems. But I’m not interested in seeing a return to the criminal Bush/Cheney years, during which Republicans in the White House and Congress conspired against American workers, both middle-class and poor, unleashing not only a corporate oligarchy on our democracy but also a police state meant to solidify the power of and control over our society of the corporate oligarchists. At least with Democrats we have a chance of pushing back against this conservative totalitarian madness, a madness that cracked TeaPot Dumb Republican Partiers have in abundance, a madness that apparently has infected the rest of the Republican Party and even spilled over into the Democratic Party among the conservative-leaning Blue Dog Democrats. Thus, I’m voting straight Democratic Party in November.
You’ve got two choices.
The Dems will make sure the country doesn’t fall completely apart and generally want to do the right thing while being to scared to really do what is necessary to do the right thing.
The Conservatives want to destroy America.
The choice is yours. The pussies or the devil.
It seems to me the Dems haven’t learned their lesson from 2000.
To many voted 3rd party or stayed home to prove some stupid point and 8 years after Bush a 200 billion surplus was 13 trillion of debt. With nothing to fucking show for it.
If they destroyed the country inheriting a surplus just wait till you see what they do with the country teetering on it’s edge.
What do you think they will do. Reach out a hand to help us or push us over the cliff. Which they have been trying to do for 10 years.
So you might not like the Dems but I’m pretty sure you like having a country.
The pussies or the devils.
The choice is yours.
I agree excellent. The 60 votes meme started up after Democratic victories in 2006. Then it was that they needed 60 votes and the Presidency to do anything. Well they got everything they asked for and blew it. They continued Bush’s policies across the board. They deserve to be voted out. The Republicans do not deserve to be voted in but that’s the way our two party system works. Our politics have become so corrupt that it no longer matters which party is in control. We are going to see a corporate agenda, imperial wars, and a surveillance state with either.
And this brings me to the one area of disagreement I have. Sure in theory if the Democrats lost one or both Houses, they could filibuster in the Senate and Obama could veto but why should they when there is so little difference between their agenda and that of the Republicans? We are likely to see lots of sparks and pseudo-fights, but at the end of the day will be there be any noticeable difference in their legislative product? I tend to think not.
ABSOLUTELY AWESOME POST JON!
Yes, this post warrented yelling. Wish the so-called progressives with a spot in tv land would repeat this word for word. Instead, they repeat the “Be afraid, be very afraid” meme.
If Democrats had a spine, they would have nominated Howard Dean in 2004. They settled for John Kerry.
I couldn’t have said it any better.
But more over I can guarantee nothing is going to change….cuz Harry Reid seems like he is going to be re-elected….& well if the last 10yrs was a disappointment get ready for another 8yrs….remember all these disappointments were under the Senate leadership of HReid.
Moreover Obama is the Prez & his leadership qualities..well lets just say they are on par with Reid’s…They both suck.
Best bet is to stay home & not participate in giving the Dems the “axe” to cut your throat.
I guess it’s subjective, Obama is guilty of some of the same crimes. After all, you don’t really think “state secrets” are hiding legit operations.
Usually agree 100% with your comments, but I think this one needs to be explored a little bit further. Not saying I have the chops to do it, of course.
Yes, by all means stay home and not vote. Better yet, DO vote and pick the republicans because cutting off ones nose to spite their face is such a cool thing to do. Besides, it shows just how superior one can be.
Oh no, definitely vote for Democrats across the board. I didn’t mean to give up. I was implying that the regular person who isn’t a political junkie isn’t going to have any motivation to vote one way or another.
Maybe you could reconstruct you comment not to disparage lady parts. Having lady parts myself I would really appreciate it.
Asserting facts not in evidence.
If I don’t vote, it won’t matter much as I live in Texas. I’m really very curious to see if the Democrats will support HCR when in the minority. Will they actually put up a real fight if the Republicans try to repeal it?
It’s even more true for independents, who outnumber D’s and R’s. Indies, by definition and personal choice, (1) have no party loyalty and (2) will vote on the economy. Sorry ’bout that, D’s.
What I meant was that no matter which party is in power we will still get a corporatist agenda, wars, and surveillance. As I said, we get lots of partisan bickering between Democrats and Republicans but these three points remain the same. The differences are mostly just cosmetic, in the atmospherics.
There’s a whole lot of harmful stuff that Obama wouldn’t veto, no?
Here is the only reason. Only Democrats need 60 votes. The Repubs will push a crazy bill, the Dems will threaten a veto, the Repubs will whine about obstructionism and Dem weakness on security and hating America and the Dems will cave. This movie has already played before.
With the catfood commission working on cover for destroying social security and Medicare, there may only be a difference of speed and range between the destructiveness of the Repubs and the Dems.
This whole narrative is silly. The generic “Republicans vs Democrats” polling is meaningless and irrelevant. Obama isn’t running so national polling doesn’t make any sense. The only reasonable indicator is the so called enthusiasm gap. I’m not going to stay home and accept four more years of Goodhair because Obama is an ineffective corporate patsy.
FWIW, Jon, I would like to see you explore in a related post the kind of legislation that might pass with Rs in control — from a worst case scenario perspective.
And reading the comments here from those defending the D’s proves your point. Their entire argument is based on voting for the Democrats because the Republicans will be worse. That’s it. That’s all they’ve got to run on. “Vote for us because we don’t suck quite as badly as the Republicans.”
For far too many, that’s a good enough meme to support. But I don’t think it will be enough to prevent the loss of a lot of seats. I see the D’s losing lots of seats but maintaining control of both houses. Not nearly the ass whipping they deserve for the greatest political failure in the history of the United States. At a time when the US desperately needed real change and the voters gave the D’s an unprecedented mandate to do just that, they failed completely. That epic of a failure deserves an equally epic ass whooping so as to discourage it from ever happening again. Instead they’ll likely get tepid support for their failure which guarantees a repeat in the future. After all, if I could steal money from the bank every day with no accountability, I would see no reason to stop.
And I agree with that. Generically speaking, there is not but again, generics are irrelevant this cycle. Since Tim Kaine became chairman of the DNC I’ve been saying that “We don’t suck as much as the other guys” is no way to win an election.
Decent credit card reform ?….it was so decent the credit card companies jacked up interest rates just before the legislation came into effect…..wonder why…..hmmmm.cuz congress is in bed with the thieves of the banking industry & that little loophole was left for a reason……same like the HCR.
I would say that I owe you a drink but I’ve made that same comment so often here that I’m claiming authorship. :)
I think the only chance to save SS is Obama being forced to veto the Republican bill which will inevitably try to destroy it. A six dimensional chess move.
Here, in part, is how the Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee describe the fiscal year 2011 budget resolution that their committee passed.
As far as I know, this hasn’t passed the full Senate yet. But the Senate Budget Committee is a powerful committee, and passing a budget resolution like this helps set the tone of the debate. As long as Democrats are pushing tax cuts and spending cuts, it’s going to be hard for them to set themselves apart from the Republicans.
Yep. Ed Schultz was talking about how insurance companies are jacking up the rates and all I could do was scream at the television that was only because Obama’s wonderful “compromise” allow them to do so. “Compromise” my ass. the only things that were compromised was core Democratic principles. Compromised right to death.
It’s simple: no matter who “wins” in the midterms or even if it’s break-even… the dems will still sell us out to the lords and masters more eagerly than ever before.
It will get worse… much worse… but voting for or against the dems won’t matter. No matter what happens it will be trumpeted as a reason for the dems to move to the “center”… that strange version of a “center” where only the immensely wealthy and their corporate proxies hold sway.
Ah yes! The discredited Rahm Emanuel Democrats need to act the same as Republicans strategy. F*cking asshole.
This assumes that he won’t work with them behind the scenes to forge a “compromise” that he can sign and “save” SS.
The Democratic Party must be dismembered if there is to be any hope for the restoration of representative government in this imperial, martial kleptocracy.
A party that has both Ben Nelson and Russ Feingold cannot stand for anything. It is just an elections machine. The left or the right must leave the Democratic Party. Return to a republic requires destruction of the duopoly that serves the corporate crooks and murderers who control our finances and our foreign policy.
Then maybe I owe you one?
LOL, you could’ve made a fortune and not needed a job if you had registered ownership of that. I’ve got a feeling it’s been repeated an awful lot! :)
Precisely. Any result, even the widening of Democratic majorities or the maintaining of the status quo will be seen by the Beltway Bobbleheads as clear evidence that the Democrats should move to the right.
I may not “own” it but I’m the first one I know of to have said it. In other words, I didn’t lift that one like I do so many other things. I claim authorship of “Orahma” too. ;)
For both Obama and the Democrats, the question is not just what they failed and succeeded on but what did they fight for. In this regard, the healthcare bill was emblematic. When it came to the moment to stand up or stand down, with no exceptions they chose to stand down. The Democrats never fought for us or our agenda. Whose agenda did they fight for? The corps’.
Obama and the Democrats also had areas where they didn’t need the Republicans to go forward. Democrats in Congress could have investigated crimes committed during the Bush years but they chose not to. Obama could have dismantled much of the Bush unilateral Presidency on his own. He could have ended the wars, closed Guantanamo, re-established the rule of law, checked the uncontrolled growth in domestic spying, investigated both the Bush Administration and Wall Street, rebuilt our regulatory agencies, many, many things, but even here he left not just Bush policies but Bush people in place.
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Very good points indeed. I tend to agree with your arguments. The real problem is the zero sum game that American politics is. To punish one party is by definition to help the other, but when they’re so similar what’s the difference? I would hate to see Russ Feingold lose his re-election, same with Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray, but ya, as much as I’ve been disappointed that would be small potatoes in the long run. So in the end, I’ll probably vote, but not for a D or and R. This could be a good opportunity to show that a liberal third party could be viable, maybe not in the sense of winning a majority (any time soon) but enough to show that a liberal third party could threaten the Democrats monopoly of the left. And not voting is problematic because it’s not sending a clear message. It’s to easy for pundits and politicians to decide what that means for us. If say 10 or maybe 20 percent of the vote went to the Green Party or some other liberal party then the message would be pretty clear. It’s a thought anyways…. Thanks for the great writing Mr. Walker.
I wonder just how different this election would’ve been had they passed a massive stimulus and rejected the corporate healthcare bill.
Imagine an economy in full recovery mode and the voters then being open to health care being the number one issue, and the D’s nationalizing the elections around an “Improved Medicare For All” theme.
*sigh*
History will not speak kindly of Obama’s caretaker government.
You’re right. I imagine there will be a lot of “negotiating” to get 60 votes for every appropriations bill next year. Probably gutting medicaid and the HCR subsidies.
Are you running a fever, or are you just delusional?
Disappointing compared to the Bush years? The last two years have been the Bush years, Bush III, or if you prefer, Bush 44. In many areas, like state secrets and civil liberties, Obama has been worse than Bush.
Put down the Kool-Aid and get a clue.
You see I don’t see that big a difference anymore between a Russ Feingold and a Ben Nelson. Feingold voted for the healthcare bill. This is the problem with every Democratic member in Congress (including the independent Bernie Sanders). When push came to shove even Kucinich caved on healthcare. Sanders is notorious for talking big and then voting for whatever. Feingold doesn’t even speak up on that many issues. Yet he too when his vote would be important in opposition invariably votes with the crowd.
I have said this many times, but there are zero progressive members of Congress. Not one. The main difference I see between Nelson and Feingold and between Republicans and Democrats is that some of them are more irritating than others but that’s about it.
Obama can veto anything passed by the thugs?
Umm.. that might require Obama to stand up to the rethuglicans I am afraid that’s not the Obama we have come to know and love.
Oh, you said what I so want to shout out.
Sorry, Obama can’t be forced to do anything progressive, and the last major goal on his “to do” list is to gut SS and Medicare. It is what he was sent into office to do, and he’s going to do it.
Right you are, iPhone auto-correct threw it off.
There is a difference in that when Dems are in the majority Republicans will obstruct on partisan principle EVEN when the proposed legislation is one hundred percent consistent with their own agenda.
When Republicans are in the majority many Dems will vote with the Republicans, which is why they never had difficulty getting their bills passed between 2001 and 2006.
Not suggesting that it is sufficient reason to vote for Dems. They’re being less competent than Republicans at passing their corportist agenda doesn’t exactly inspire my enthusiasm at this point. We’ll get screwed in any event.
The worst thing we Progressives can do is continue supporting a party simply bcz we are afraid of the alternative. Strength respects strength and allowing dems to lose elections is the only way we get respect. To continue voting for a party that disrespects you the moment they get elected is foolish and only guarantees more disrespect in the future. I am going to vote for Governor Strickland this year but Mary Jo Kilroy’s vote to defund ACORN makes it impossible for me to vote for her again.
There is slight problem with your point. It only takes 60 votes in the senate for democrats to get anything done. And, in reality, as we all saw last year, it takes more than 60 votes i the senate for dems to do anything.
But, republicans, on the other hand would not need 60 votes to get their way in the senate. Not with people like Lieberman, Nelson etc to help them out. Those senators have spent the last 18 months helping the republicans. Why would they stop?
And, you know full well that if the republicans take control of the senate they will not hesitate to change the rules to get rid of the filibuster anyway. They will NOT ALLOW the dems to have a chance to do to them what they have been doing all along. The real sad part is that we also know that if the dems retain control of the senate they will never change the rules.
The last hope you have is for Obama to use his veto power. DO YOU REALLY TRUST HIM TO DO THAT????
B e s t P o l i t i c a l c a l l t o i n a c t i o n e v a h ! ! !
Apathy, the new 3rd way.
I agree, rewarding bad behavior by voting for Dems only encourages more bad behavior.
Unfortunately, not voting for Dems will not inspire reform. Pols no longer fear losing elections. They serve their corporate masters to the best of their abilities while in office and are handsomely rewarded when they leave and enter the private sector.
Which is why even in an election year Dems have been telling the base to fuck off. Imagine that DEMS have been talking about cutting Social Security during an ELECTION year. They absolutely do not give a flaming flying fuck about voters anymore.
Obama has a much better chance at a 2nd term with a GOP House and/or Senate. It gives him 2 years of hope/change bs, without any expectation of getting anything done.
When a Democrat holds the white house, the party always seeds its leadership to the sitting president, even if it directly conflicts with the party’s own self interest (not sure if the dems actually have a platform anymore). The GOP never makes that mistake. Does anyone think Bush 1 or 2 or Reagan ran the GOP? Of course not. GOP presidents are essentially spokesman for the party, and only a fool hires their PR flak to run the show. No matter how one feels about Obama’s job performance, allowing the WH to “lead” the party is a huge mistake.
ah Jon Walker keepin’ it real and doing it beautifully.
I swear I think better for having read ya
in fact, he’s upped the ante from “enemy combatants” to assasinate Americans whenever. less habeas corpus with obama than with bush.
I think everybody is missing the most important reason not to vote for Dems and maybe even HOPE for a Republican victory: the Dems have proven themselves much more adept at enacting the R’s fascist agenda than the fascist R’s ever were. Bob Dole could never pass Bob Dole’s Corporate Health Insurance Relief program, but the Dems sure did.
Reagan could never pass the dismantling of financial regulatory laws such as Glass-Steagall and the Commodities Futures Modernization Act (unleashing derivatives) but Clinton sure as hell did. Bush tried hard but could not privatize SS but dearest Obama has lit the fuse and now the rocket straight into the heart of Social Security is about to lift off.
The Dems must be uprooted ASAP so they can do no more Republican damage.
Ha! That’s a new one one. Blame the iphone. I’ll have to remember that!
Great post, Jon!
The best, most concise, lesser-evilism deconstructor I’ve yet seen. I wish it could stay on the main page for a couple of months…
not bad. a few moments ago I was thinking GWB only wanted to give a percentage of SS to Wall St, this guy wants a 26-27% cut in benefits
yeah, and when he cuts it, he wants you to believe it will have some sort of effect on the deficit! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
At least when the Dems are out of power they seem to reflexively adopt a posture of opposition to corporate fascism. In power they work overtime to make the extreme seem reasonable and grease the skids to get it through.
Awesome post, Jon. You cut right through to the heart of the matter.
Agree. those fuckers cannot be allowed to run anything, veto or no.
Yep. Only Obama could go to Aetna.
This website used to have the best commentary. Loved it. Then, FDL tried to move beyond the blogosphere to flex its supposed muscles first by securing pledges from legislators to support the public option, and then to defeat the Senator in Arkansas. FDL didn’t win either, but we can win in the future on other issues. Keep pushing. Don’t give up.
Trolls have infected the site to take advantage of residual bad feelings, not by extolling the benefits of a repub return to control of the House and perhaps the Senate, but by crying crocodile tears that the Dems did not deliver on their progressive promise. So, don’t vote. Better to stay home.
Well, the lunatic repubs win when FDL gives up.
I’m thinking Obama can pivot back to what we need: a progressive agenda. The Dems see now that half-assed measures backfire. There’s still time to turn this around. Rahm can go back to Chicago to run for mayor. Larry Summers can go to Citibank to score a bazillion dollar deal. The consumer credit protection agency will have a strong leader. The repubs will be further disgraced by their nutjob candidates.
There is a good deal of logic in what Jon says. But I cannot bring myself to vote for the assholes that brought us the Bush years, not again, not ever again. And I cannot just sit home while someone like Angle runs amok. So there is a message here. I am still here and I don’t like you Koch brothers and orange man and all you assholes out there. Maybe the message is we are coming to get you, sooner or later we will.
Great post, describes the current state of our legacy political party well (using the singular, because, well…it’s all one). But I have to say, the Green party IS giving people a positive message, a good reason to vote, and to vote for their candidates. I’m hoping that my campaign (Green Party, US Rep, MI-12) is contributing to that message, and at least can change the issues being addressed, and the policies that are being put in place. This country needs relief from the robbery being performed on a daily basis by our supposed “representatives”. I can no longer stand idly by while Obamarites make excuses and try to drum up votes by invoking fear (“look, over there, Sarah Palin!”), when I can honestly campaign on populist principles and I’m NOT AFRAID to vote according to my party platform. I’m not a politician, I work for a living, I’m an ER nurse, and I see every day the results of our “new Golden Age”-homelessness, hunger, illness, trauma on a scale not seen in a century (wars have a way of creating that). Please, research the Greens, here’s the MI Green party platform:
http://migreens.org/values.php
and please check out my website (it’s simple, but again, I gotta work)!
http://juliawilliamsforcongress.com/?page_id=2
Just yesterday I got a letter requesting a donation from the DNC. At the top of the letter, in bright red large type were the words: “Don’t give the Republicans What They Want” They meant, I guess, that if we don’t fund and vote for D’s, then the R’s win.
This past year I’ve just thrown these requests in the recycle. This time that headline, “Don’t Give The Republicans What They Want” *really* ticked me off. So I sent them a reply. “How could I? Rahm and Obama already have.”
I’ve voted pretty much straight D tickets for about 45 years, but enough. With the mandate they had, with the majorities they had, there’s no way they can convince me they “couldn’t”. They just flat out didn’t want to.
Nice to hear from you, Julia. I checked out your website and wish you well in your campaign.
Hey, does your hospital need a CT tech in Imaging? (semi- snark)
I will be voting Green in these upcoming elections. Thanks.
Ha-ha-ha ha ha. Perfect reply!
Many at FDL have simply given up on the strategy of working with the Dems. That doesn’t mean they have given up the fight. The fight now is for a new party and a new electoral system and perhaps a new political system. But sorry, for many of us continued support of Democrats would simply be enabling an abusive relationship that has proven over and over is going nowhere. Except backwards.
Thanks for the kind welcome, and taking the effort to look at my site! (And I can check on the CT openings-email me thru the site) Oh, and @92—what you said!
Hi Julia, if I lived in your district you’d have my vote.
I could never vote Repub, but I can no longer vote Dem either. In my state, other than Libertarian, there is virtually no third-party presence. It looks like all my votes will be write-ins.
Thanks, I’ll take a “faux” vote anytime! (after all that’s what gave Bush his big wins :-) And you know, I was becoming more and more outraged and depressed, and was beginning to get marks on my forehead from banging it on the puter while reading about all of the outrageous games being played in DC with people’s lives at stake, and then..I had the aha! moment. I can work to make it better, and as soon as I started doing that, and decided to run as a Green, I felt a weight off my chest. And I can recommend to anyone as perturbed as I am about the legacy party, that getting out there and doing something is not only a great tonic, but can change your world, street by street. So, after writing-in, maybe you can start a Green party in your area? I’m finding that liberals are reaching the tipping point, and it’s going to be some good years coming up for the Greens.
I firmly believe that Obama and the Dems have done as much as they thought they could do. I wish it had been more, but jees, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Why all the negativity? Most important social legislation in 70 years, huge jobs bill, saving the American auto industry, God what do you want in a year and a half?.
I wish I had it in me. I could help out though, if one existed.
All I could find for a state Green party was a dead link and there is no contact information info on the national Green party website for my state. Since I live in Alabama, that is really no surprise.
You can believe whatever you like. I’m not falling for the “don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good” line any more. Not saying that’s what you think, but I don’t believe they even really tried. Just a lot of pretending. How many times did Obama make concessions to the Republicans only to get a “no” in response? His “let’s be bipartisan” shtick didn’t work on them, but it worked on me. Now I’m sick of both parties.
I think it’s unfortunate that the President has waited so long to en sight the base. Maybe it was a fear that moving left would be like how the right has jacked up their base and the crazy factor would come out. What does our crazy left want. A more Green Economy, stricter enforcement of EPA regulations, legalize pot and decriminalize drugs. Reduction of Plastics in consumer goods. I’m sure there are crazier idea’s.
I couldn’t be more motivated to vote. For sure to stop Republicans who’ve gone totally nuts but to work harder to get some crazier left politicians in office.
The middle is gone and it’s a battle for the base. I just hope Democrates start waking up to this fact. When has anyone one heard a Republican say the word middle class? It’s just not part of their vocabulary.
I think this might be the year the pollsters haven’t a clue. It’s ridiculous that the Dem’s didn’t leave for their summer recess clamoring how the Republicans want to get rid of SS. This should be the 1st words out of every Democratic politicians mouth until the election
I’ve lived thru several 3rd party campaigns and everyone that is worthwhile and left leaning has put the Republicans in power. They just aren’t viable in National Politics in America. For once it’s the Republicans that forgot these lessons and now have the Tea Party dividing their ranks.
Run Sarah Run
A little bit of perspective for Mr. Walker.
I was not only one of the guys who campaigned in 2008, but I was on the front lines here in TX on many issues, holding and attending rallies, calling my Congressman (Ciro Rodriguez, who is about to loose to his Republican challenger, thank you very little) and my two Republican Senatorial Robots (Mr. Cornyn and Mrs Hutchinson)
So my PAC and I visit Ciro Rodriguez’s (who is about to loose to his Republican challenger, thank you very little) office one day during the Health Care debate and I’m talking with one of Mr. Rodriguez’s (who… you know) aides about how everything is going. His aide tells me that their internal polling shows that the HCR bill is unpopular in the rural areas of his district, but has traction in the urban areas- like San Antonio. But, the aide tells me, Mr. Rodriguez is worried- because of the phone calls and the letters. Not just that they’re angry- but that their something like ten to one against. The amount of people who are taking a moment out of their day to call in or write or email is massive on the anti side and dismal on the pro side. And that’s the problem, because this is one of the ways that these offices gauge voter turnout, especially in a mid term.
Oh, don’t worry, the aide tells me, Mr. Rodriguez is going to vote “Yes” on the House bill, but he knows its the nail in his political coffin (Wow! that was psychic!).
All those great progressives that rallied and voted in 2008, couldn’t be bothered to even make on phone call in support of the policies they claimed to stand for.
But now I can see that you were just busy. Blogging is a lot of work.
the reality of politics is that any President or Congressman or Senator is only as powerful and as potent as their public support on any given day.
Here is the lesson of the Tea Party- Election day is not the end, it’s the beginning.
BTW. I gave up. I kept calling and calling you people, but you were too busy complaining to give a rat’s behind. As proof, I give you this blog.
Okay, I came late to this discussion but WTF is it with all of the Obamabot lesser evilists at FDL the past two days, has Obamarahma reassigned the interns from HP to here? For the above paragraph to be believed by anyone paying passing attention the past two years would require them to be taking heavy doses of the drugs Gibbs was talking about. ONLY ACTIONS MATTER NOW, I DON’T TRUST OBAMARAHMA AS FAR AS I CAN THROW HIM, EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH IS REGARDED AS SUSPECT AND WILL BE UNTIL I SEE THE PRETTY WORDS IN ACTION.
Simple. To get a drivers license you have to vote, Every time.
No vote no license. No vote no state benefits. No vote no federal benefits.
Third party could work!
If Palin runs and wins, it will be your fault for voting Dem instead of Green.
Besides, the Dems will block Repub legislation and Obama will exercise his veto prerogative, right?
Before for you go all lesser-evil on me, tell me why I should vote for the party that wants to force me to buy a product from an industry whose business model is based on denying care.
A party that makes me pay more for drugs because of back-room deals.
A party that has institutionalized Bushco abuse of executive privilege.
A party whose president has set up a commission whose expressed intent is to cut SS benefits, raise the retirement age and institute means testing.
A party whose president has reserved the right to assassinate American citizens at will. Bush didn’t even have the sociopathic chops to try that one.
There’s more, take a look at marymccurnin’s blog and look up Hugh’s list.
yep – that’s the Democratic candidate – arguing that the Republican is a bad choice bc he actually worked for a mega firm (King & Spalding) that represented/represents detainees. Neither of them, btw, support the public option. who cares which you end up with?
Oh brother. K&S is one of the top firms in the country. Good for them that they’ve been representing detainees. Not that its going to threaten Dan Coats’s campaign for a minute, but it bugs me that a Democrat would criticize a corporate law firm for sacrificing billable hours to do some damn important pro bono criminal defense work.
The only problem with this article is that it grossly underestimates the Republicans sheer ability to raise hell if they take over the House – and remember that Obama will sell us out in a heartbeat in the name of bipartisanship.
We do need a more liberal congress pushing Obama left; we don’t need him having to move further right to get something, anything passed. Because that’s what Obama wants more than anything – a bill with a pretty name that he can sign.
Or putting it even more simply: Obama had the biggest congressional Democratic majority in a generation and he moved right.
What do you think he is gonna do if the Repubs take over?
I like the Obama as weak leader and closet Republican theory which has crippled the Democratic party.
I’m not sure how to break it to you, comicbookkid, but many of those calls AGAINST the sham health-care ‘reform’ bill were probably coming from people like those here – at least if you’re talking about early this year, rather than the original House vote a year ago last Summer (which passed a marginally acceptable bill in most, but not all, respects). The final bill should have been torn up and flushed down the toilet, and the fact that Obama managed to arm-twist the House progressives into voting for it will likely lead to the defeat of many of them (and, sad to say, they deserve that – especially the 65 or so who had pledged, in writing, to oppose any such bill that lacked a public option).
So we really DO take steps beyond blogging to try to get what we think is right: they may just not happen to coincide with what establishment Democrats like.
Get used to it: there’s likely a great deal more on the way.
Jon, this article was truly inspiring – a real keeper worth linking to during the kinds of discussions that will be heating up over the next couple of months. I only wish it had included a ‘Recommend’ link for me to click.
Unfortunately, the knee-jerk Democratic establishment apologists don’t even seem to have read it before responding: otherwise, they’d have realized that the good old “lesser of two evils” argument is precisely what you debunked, effectively and thoroughly, so their responses really weren’t effective at all.
Thanks for such a calm, reasoned argument. I tend to get a little hot about what’s been going on for the past nearly two years (and for that matter for the five years before that), and something like this is likely to be more persuasive in many situations.
Juliawilliams:
Kudos for not just standing up for what you believe in but for getting out in front and leading the charge. We once had a Green party here in NH but I haven’t been able to find it on the Web for years. Perhaps it’s time to see if there’s any enthusiasm for reviving it (though I did get a bit turned off back in 2004 when its leadership effectively endorsed Kerry in any swing state, despite Kerry’s blatantly incompatible positions).
I’m a very conservative Republican (only because there is no other choice) and I’m voting to stop the crazies on the left.
We have to stop enriching ourselves by putting our grandchildren in debt
We have to bring jobs back to America and you don’t do that by punishing the rich. You “progressives” are welcome to ask some homeless piece of crap for a job.
We have to get control of our southern border. Absolutely!
These are core values most Americans support but Democrats and the left wingnuts vehemently oppose.
So yeah, I’m voting because the left has clearly, without a doubt, demonstrated they can’t produce jobs. They only destroy them.
The fallacy about this argument is that there are no generic Democrats but the Republicans have made themselves generic through their lockstep voting. So the question is between voting for Republicans in general and voting for specific Democrats, especially those Democrats whose victory would change the national narrative about politics. For example, the surest way to ensure that no matter what happens that John Boehner does not become speaker is to help Justin Coussoule win in OH-08, Boehner’s district. The best way to encourage Blue Dog Democrats to have some courage and be Democrats (a bunch of them are just cowards) is to let some of them lose, but ensure their numbers are replaced by Democrats who are challengers elsewhere and more progressive. So Blanche Lincoln loses, but you redouble efforts to ensure that Roxanne Conlin beats Chuck Grassley and Elaine Marshall beats Richard Burr.
Everyone of us has a different set of decisions to make and a blanket sending of Democrats down the tubes of history will not move this country in a progressive direction. Indeed it could slam the door on change for a generation.
You argument is predicated on neither party having a breakout election. I will be very surprised if the polls turn out to be right on this score. Whoever wins the election controls the narrative for whether people want change or want Republican tiny government with big pork.
Finally, what Obama does or does not do is not as important for what happens as what Democratic incumbent Senators and members of Congress do and say. And what Democratic challengers say as a reason to elect them.
Reading this, I am comforted that the blogosphere does not yet have the ability to throw elections. Each of you has at most three national races to vote in (you lucky New Yorkers). And there a lot of folks working at canvassing and phone banks to ensure victory for a lot of Democratic challengers in November. The fact is that the Republicans’ lockstep voting has made them vulnerable again to large losses. The question is whether grassroots Democrats are successful in pulling the mule out of the ditch again.
No, you do that by stopping tax breaks for corporations and businesses that send the jobs overseas.
Oh, so eMeg and Carly and Rick Scott and Bill Binnie and all the other Republican candidates who brag about the jobs they sent overseas (even though they may try to hide the facts and lie a little) and their help in destroying US jobs and the frauds they committed are now Democrats huh?
Sorry to have to correct you, Tarheel, but the Democrats have become just as generic as the Republicans lately. The health-care reform sham is only the best example of this, far from the only one: while a fair number of allegedly progressive Demos bleated a lot about the need for real reform in this area, EVERY DAMN ONE OF THEM in the end supported this piece of crap.
If for you lockstep voting defines being generic, you really can’t get much more lockstep than that. Of course, being in the majority the Dems have the luxury of allowing some of their number to vote against the rest WHEN THAT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE, so can APPEAR to be more independent. But that’s just theater, not any substantive difference.
A lot of nominal progressives will probably never allow themselves to face this squarely, of course: it’s just too uncomfortable. But some of us prefer reality, uncomfortable though it may be – because you really can’t change reality unless you first understand what it is.
Can we hear more deluded right wingnut talking points?
My Rep. is Chellie Pingree. I was so excited when she was elected, because she’s the most progressive person I’ve ever been able to vote for in Maine for the last 40 years. BUT!!!! I begged and pleaded with her not to break her (written) promise to oppose any HCR that didn’t include a public option. In the end she caved, just like Kucinich did. And guess what? I’m NOT going to vote for her. I am going to either vote Green or write-in “Paul Wellstone”, and then I’m going to send her office a letter explaining how I voted and why. I want the Dems to KNOW that there has to be a consequence for such an outrageous betrayal of the people who believed in them and supported them. And yes, I don’t care what happens….this is just to make ME feel better. As Carrie Underwood sings, “The next time that he cheats, you know it won’t be on me”.
Unlike my own Rep (Shea-Porter), Chellie would be one of the VERY few Democrats I’d have to think about before voting against: like Dennis, I suspect that her heart may really be in the right place but that she just doesn’t have the stones (or female equivalent) to follow it when the going gets tough.
Trouble is, MOST people seem to think that THEIR Rep is one of the few decent ones, so you have to be very careful to maintain objectivity. The health-care sham made it easy for me: before the end, I pledged to my Rep, (D) Senator, Pelosi, Reid, and Obama that if the result lacked a public option I’d be voting R for national offices until a PO became law, and the ONLY way I’m going to break that pledge is if I join some action like the one that themalcontent has just proposed at http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/69842 which will give some people who might otherwise vote Democratic a reason to write in a clear protest (thus balancing out my failure to vote R).
So, was it the Nader voters who gave is 8 years of Bush? Or did Bush steal the election?
Because you can’t have it both ways.
So, I go and vote in the upcoming election knowing that my Social Security will be slashed to pay for continued tax breaks for the rich.
Can’t do it. I’m not a masochist.
Thanks for the link! I’ll cheerfully write-in “Public Option” or “Medicare for All” to make my message at the ballot box clearer.
Your opinion doesn’t “correct me”. The voting records and positions of Democrats are all over the lot. The fact that Democrats were not marching in lockstep meant that Blue Dogs could exert influence over the outcome of legislation. And progressives, who thought (rightly or wrongly), that partial legislation was better than no legislation felt obligated to vote for partial legislation. Democratic disunity weakened legislation.
But it really doesn’t matter what you or I think. I have two good progressive Democrats to vote for — both are challengers and will take away Republican seats. I am going to vote for them, but that doesn’t mean they will win.
Do I think that the legislative strategy of Democrats was effed up? I do. That’s why I think the mule is in the ditch.
But not converting Republican seats to Democratic seats, especially progressive Democratic seats, is foolish. If you are stuck with a poor excuse for a Democrat, I understand your frustration. And you will do what you have to do. But voting for Republicans ensures that a public option and Medicare for all never become law. Ever. You punish elected officials in primaries, not in general elections. Republicans understand this very well; that’s why they are so panicked that moderate Republican Mike Castle might lose to a Tea Party candidate.
So which one of these are you voting for:
Carol Shea-Porter (D)
Rich Ashooh (R) – Defense Contractor
Peter Bearce (R) – Businessman, Economist, Ron Paul Campaign Activist & Frequent Candidate
Bob Bestani (R) – International Banking Executive & GOP Activist
Frank Guinta (R) – Manchester Mayor & Ex-State Rep.
Andrew Kohlhofer (R)
Sean Mahoney (R) – Ex-Republican National Committeeman, Businessman & ’02 Candidate
Richard Charles Parent (R)
Kevin Rondeau (R)
Philip Hodson (Libertarian) – Ex-State Party Chair
If I was in your position, I would vote for the Libertarian. But in your circumstances, writing in “Medicare for All” would probably be a good choice too. But like I say, you do what you have to do. And our differences show clearly that we are not dealing with generic Democrats.
“All those great progressives that rallied and voted in 2008, couldn’t be bothered to even make on phone call in support of the policies they claimed to stand for.”
Since when did progressives claim to stand for Heritage Foundation Romneycare? That Rep probably heard from progressives, just not on the positive side. If you want to get into bed with Mitt Romney, that’s your business but don’t claim progressives are de facto members of the Heritage Foundation.
Wow, that’s just amazing to me. How many times do you need to get kicked by the people you “support” ? That’s like enabling your spouse to beat you…it’s INSANE.
I have a similiar thought on this. Do we want to put people in office like Angle, Rubio, Miller,Paul, Coats, Fiorina, Whitman who will be there longer than Obama and perhaps for years or decades and will succeed in blocking everything progressives wanted or do we stop them? In two years the veto will likely mean nothing. So those asses and the Koch – Murdoch money/lying machine will be in full force. Do we really think we can wrest it back in a wink? Do you really think you can just snap your fingers and form a whole new third party that means anything? Think health care,education, employment and SS are in jeopardy now, just wait. And wars will never end. Just sayin.
I believe Progressives should vote in November—not for a Republican or a Blue Dog but for a Progressive if you’re lucky enough to have one in your district, a Green, or maybe we can all agree to a coded write-in such a “Mickey Mouse.”
I would rather not vote at all than vote for a third party. you really don’t know who is backing them. The repugs could run a candidate on a third party just to divert some votes. So keep your green.
Well said….since the democrats claim to need 60 seats to do anything, and it’s quite obvious they will not have that after the election, why bother voting for them?
I’m more interested in getting John Boehner, Michele Bachmann, Virginia Foxx, Chuck Grassley, Richard Burr, and so on out of office. And you’re right helping more crazies get elected doesn’t make sense either.
My strategic sense says that progressives win if Republicans lose, lose big, and lose some of their symbolic leaders like Boehner, Bachmann, Foxx, and Grassley. That dramatically undoes the “center-right” nation narrative although it might not look like it to progressives.
I am certainly not a troll but there is no way in hell I could believe Obama will “pivot” to an progressive agenda. Your dreaming…
I agree with that. I am concerned that a landslide for the republicans especially with crazy asses can block progressive legislation for many years in the future. So not voting is not smart. I havn’t focused as much on the people you mentioned,but if I could help move any of them out I would in a heartbeat. I think though that the tea party, funded by Koch/Murdoch is as much an evil as any of them. you need to congratulate them though. they have conducted a relentless assault on the left for over a year now and they have largely succeeded.
that was reply to Tarheel at 129
I would agree but that’s not reality, we will NEVER get enough progressives in there, they will be out spent and out manned at every turn if the status quo feels the least bit threatened.
But would Obama actually veto something from a Republican majority? I’m not as sanguine about that as you are.
Obama could very well be replaced by Pres Palin or such in two years. Veto means nothing then but the repugs will still be in control of congress.
Of course there’s a possibility he’ll pivot to a progressive agenda. After all, after the elections he’ll have even more excuses for not enacting it!
Liberal Democrats had to be hit with a two by four (Obama) to finally understand what Nader tried so hard to teach them. A corporate political duopoly is not good for the Country. The proof will be in the pudding. If left leaning Democrats refuse to support the party in the midterms it will be a welcome sign that they are no longer willing to be led by the nose into serfdom. Resistance has to start somewhere.
I’m not sanguine about that either. Obama is a “politics is the art of the possible” sort of politician. He would veto only if he thought that Congress could not overturn his veto. And that would depend on the unity of the Democrats in supporting the President. The same problem we have right now.
Everything about this administration suggests they actively wished for a reprise of the Clinton administration and its accompanying Republican majority pursuing a moderate Republican agenda. Not least of all the personnel.
Good work puppethead. Accurate and succinct.
The midterms are not relevant to the fact that Americans are about to experience real hardship.
You don’t end the corporate duopoly with protest votes in national elections. You end it by building a strong grassroots party that can win seats in Congress and are the folks that both parties of the duopoly have to court. Ralph Nader never sought to build that kind of a third party. Libertarians have tried to build that sort of a party but do not have the grassroots support yet to get a true libertarian (Ron Paul is half a libertarian) elected.
Left-leaning Democrats are not going to make the difference in this election by sitting out. They will make a difference by being the key factor in certain races to unseat big-name Republicans. If progressive support succeeds in defeating John Boehner, Virginia Foxx, Michele Bachmann, and Chuck Grassley, progressives are more likely to be listened to.
Like I say above, you punish Democrats in primaries not in general elections. Until you have a strong third party that can punish them in general elections. The most recent example of a strong third party actually winning was the Lieberman for Lieberman party. And you might see the same thing if Murkowski runs as a write-in in Alaska, a Murkowski for Murkowski party victory. But so far it takes an incumbent to be a third party. One with sufficient grassroots support to win. Other third party movements have not put in the time building their grassroots appeal.
Sleeping Voters, Awake! De-register en masse from the Republican and Democratic parties. Then vote for Libertarians and/or Greens – or whatever third party alternatives can be written in.
Consumer debt could be re-structured to lower interest costs through federal borrowing and direct payoff of consumers’ debts. The consumer pays back the government at lower interest. Private wages could be federally subsidized much more heavily. Shared work is possible: take the cap off Social Security income tax, raise benefits, encourage earlier, partial retirement, apprenticeship, cutting overtime, and mandatory vacations.
Roughly $13 trillion purchasing power was destroyed by the bank bubble blowers, far more than the misdirected stimulus. Hiring stagnation is a demand side problem. Job creation in America could only occur, if after tax profit could be made from new hires. That would happen, only if there was money-backed demand for goods and services.
Federal government Republicans and Democrats have connived for 40 years to subsidize neo cartels of giant corporations, (banks, oil companies etc.) and to facilitate the real job killers: automation, merger and acquisition, and job export. Now effective demand has failed. Republicans’ Voodoo Economics of tax and benefit cuts de-securitize families. Repeal health care? Raise Social Security retirement age and partly privatize it? Imagine taking your toddlers to a playground with an old, rickety, high seesaw and a refurbished, tight, lower one. Want to put your toddlers on the old one? But Democrats are equally guilty connivers. They pretend they can’t abolish the filibuster rule. Democrats have shirked every opportunity to lead genuine popular movements for change.
Sleeping voters: apply shock therapy: mass de-registration from both major parties. Demand simple majority rule in the Senate and People – Oriented Stimulus.
Love to do that but is there any realistic chance of beating them? I’m sort of wanting to hold on to all I can from the other jerks. (that doesn’t mean I would give a blue dog who looks just like a republican a pass. But that should be the exception. )
I think we’ll all drag ourselves to the voting booth. But others won’t. And the apathy will extend to our side in other ways. For example, I gave money for the first time in my life to Democratic candidates from 2004-2008. No way will I waste my money now.
It’s almost pathetic to see a columnist like E.J. Dionne today trying to play rah-rah at this point.
Yes, best chance in years. Democrats are not putting up token opposition to these folks. Justin Coussoule, Tarryl Clark, Billy Kennedy, Roxanne Conlin, and Elaine Marshall are all experienced candidates and are getting Democratic blogosphere support. They need volunteers, if folks are nearby, and financial support for their media blitz. I don’t know the others, but Billy Kennedy and Elaine Marshall will remember who helped them win and are both progressive Democrats.
I have some suggestions of contributions that will not waste your money. There is a campaign to defeat John Boehner that is unconnected to any campaign; you can contribute through BlueAmerica, I think.
Billy Kennedy is a progressive Democrat (and incidentally a talk show host in Boone, NC) who is running against Virginia Foxx. A contribution to him would be very helpful.
Check out the records of Roxanne Conlin (running against Chuck Grassley), Tarryl Clark (running against Michele Bachmann), and Elaine Marshall (running against Richard Burr) and see if they are progressive enough for you to support.
Here is the only caveat to your analysis: The Republicans have a history of getting whatever they want with a majority of one. This could be construed as a reason to vote for Democrats, but I see it as the biggest reason ever to send the Dims down the rapids. Retrieve and replace.
I guess I forgot to mention that the money is an issue for reasons other than apathy. Like fear of the future.
Ugh. FDL is giving me a bigger headache than the Volokh Conspiracy during the Koch Defense Brigade.
Also, when the Republicans do win, FDL better not have a single post lamenting about it, or about what Republicans happen to get through Congress. I’m having a hard time not removing this blog from my daily routine, but wallowing in sadness over something you willingly refused to prevent would close the deal.
I’m much encouraged by your upbeat talk as opposed to the ‘we can’t win no how talk’. Still, we have to get people to come out and work, contribute and vote. I am going to put what little money I have to defeat the tea party candidates. I just personally think they are the worst of the worst, except maybe Michelle Bachman, who defines a class all her own.
the Nader thing – been seeing it everywhere, can almost smell their desperation through the screen
yes by all means, pay no attention to Justices Kennedy and O Connor consigning themselves to Dred Scott infamy, blame it all on some “childishly impatient” hippies “who want it all now”
whatev
They didn’t “fail”, they CHOSE not to try!
There are times you wonder about the motivations around this site. But most writers and commentators are pretty smart, agree with them or not.
That’s true for a lot of folks.
But the assertion abroad on the web that there are no opportunities where contributions could actually make a difference in policy are false.
So why are you here, if we aren’t making you happy?
Why aren’t you over at the Great Orange Satan, bitching and moaning about FDL along with the handful of FDL-haters that post there?
The kossacks are having a hissy fit over this post, and put it at the top the recommends. “FDL HAS GONE FULL NADER” is the title.
Jon, you are so right on. Great article!
“I’m not sure how to break it to you, comicbookkid, but many of those calls AGAINST the sham health-care ‘reform’ bill were probably coming from people like those here”
And I’m sure you thought that the town halls that you didn’t attend were a sham too, and the Public Option you didn’t’ support was a sham too. Carbon Tax- sham?
Please- you cast your one vote and then stayed home and complained like those two old guys in the balcony on “the Muppet Show”.
It’s always someone else’s fault- isn’t it?
“Since when did progressives claim to stand for Heritage Foundation Romneycare? That Rep probably heard from progressives, just not on the positive side.”
Oh, brother. You gave up LONG BEFORE that final bill. The same small group of Libs and Progs that showed up at the town halls in ’09 were the same small group that stayed in their loosing fight until the end.
I hate to break it to you , but the final bill we got (sans public option, sans cost control) we got because you were too busy writhing around in the middle of your nihilistic orgasm to be bothered.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
I have no desire to punish the Democrats. I want to see them defeated. Driven from power.
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/69969
Good luck with that 3d rail, er party.
Then you wish to not have a country anymore. The green party is not going to take over any part of our government. If the GOP regains power we will be the next USSR.
If they destroyed our country after inheriting a surplus what do you think they will do with the country teetering on it’s edge.
Push you or put a hand out.
Wow, once again the same group of handles shows up at the same time spouting lesser evilism. Either Rheem sent the interns over here from HP or someone is using multiple handles. It just seems like too much of a coincidence that these trolls showed up at the same time Team Mediocre started their faux populist push.
The GOP has played the same mental game that got Bush in office.
They wear you down with such stupidity sites like this fall for the stupidity and choose not to vote for their own best interest.
They whine like a 5 year old kid so much that you just give them what they want to shut them up.
Go ahead and give them what they want but your going to lose everything that made this country great.
Social security. Medicare. Free education.
If you thought Bush was dangerous. You haven’t seen nothing yet.
You might smell desperation. I smell history repeating itself. Gore 2000.
And you wonder why they are comparing you to Nader.
If you think Bush bankrupting the country in 8 years was bad wait till you get a look at the New GOP.
I lost my 100,000 dollar a year job thanks to Bush. I’ll be damn if I lose my country. I’m voting.
I’ll stick up for Obama, just a little bit.
What he did with tax rebates, for me personally, was better than what Bush did. It did actually help me more.
Talk of letting the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy expire is heartening. I think my personal tax situation would be worse under McCain, but that is speculating.
Still, FISA, killing, wars, torture, etc. probably not enough to get me to vote for him again.
Still, if it’s Obama or Palin, and no viable third party…. I might vote for O. Maybe.
What I would really like is a third party candidate. Populist, common sense like feed the poor, educate the children, stop the killing. Invest in ourselves. Probably won’t happen, but that’s what I want. And no, I cannot afford to quit my job and position myself for a congressional run in 2012.
and I have not been impressed with the middling SupCt.appointments. Not the most liberal guy in America, clearly.
many negatives.
I cannot reward betrayal with a vote. (Unless pragmatism of, say, Palin appointed judges makes me….)
what ugly choices.
cjc
Don’t be a moron. Go out and vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot this November. No constituency ever increased its influence by refusing to exercise it at the ballot box. Also, there may be a chance for the white house to turn it around since Rahm Emmanuel may very well leave to run for mayor of Chicago. The corporatist approach for Democrats has failed miserably and Obama has no doubt recognized many of the limits of centrism as both a political and policy strategy. The problem of centrism is that if one side wants to save puppies and the other side wants to kill puppies, you are left with the position of punching puppies in the face. Obama has wasted half his term, but if there is even a slim chance that he can turn it around and take the country in the direction it needs to go isn’t that worth fighting for? Isn’t that worth dying for? Isn’t that worth an hour of your time one cool evening in November to go out and vote for?
If Republicans get the majority there will be NO CHANCE of ANYTHING getting done for the next two years. I know you feel slighted, abused, and taken for granted by the administration. But I’m going to ask you to do what liberals do best: sacrifice for the good of the nation. Swallow your pride and do what you know is best for the country. Don’t let Speaker Boehner in 2010 and President Palin in 2012 sweep into office without a fight. If you think Obama has been weak on your issues just imagine what the Republicans are going to do to them. They will take them behind a tree and skull fuck them into the ground. That’s what going to happen to your issues and don’t you ever fucking forget it.
The Oligarchy that owns the Republican and Democratic Parties is in power NOW. We are the new U.S.S.R. NOW. We don’t have a country anymore NOW. The time for resistance is NOW. The future belongs to the people. The Democratic Party belongs to the past.
Also look at the jaw dropping compromises Democrats have had to make with a 60 seat majority. Do you honestly think Obama won’t be forced into making deals with Republicans if they win majorities in the house and senate? Fox News will pound the president like a bag of meat every time he uses the veto pen. If you’re shocked by the gains Republicans have made with the smallest minority in recent history just wait until you see what they can do with the most radicalized, disciplined majority in recent history.
Look Progressives should support Primary challenges like Halter and Sestak, but if they fail you should give serious thought to voting democratic because a Democrat, no matter how conservative, is never an automatic no like a Republican is. Complain all you like about Ben Nelson, but if there was a Republican in his place, you would’ve never gotten a Yes vote regardless of how many Corn Husker kickbacks Obama would’ve offered.
Yes, Obama watered down reform. Yes Obama was not the shining knight of Progressivism or the 2nd coming of FDR. However, we still have a chance to force him into it, but that will mean nothing if he is powerless in the house and senate due to Republican majorities. I’m asking you all to be pragmatic about this. It’s not fair and it’s not pleasant. But ask yourself what the alternative is. Ask yourself what you would’ve gotten under President McCain and a republican house and senate, and realize that’s exactly where we are heading now if you elect to pick up your ball and go home.
We hit a bump in the road, but if we give up now, we will be giving up on the very principles we claim to fight for and represent. Equality, social justice, personal liberty, and the unending pursuit of a more beautiful America.
John Walker is a [Edited by Moderator. Disagree with the post, argue on the merits as you will but do not use insults]..just like conservatives.
Wow. Way to add class and substance to the discussion.
You know the old saying: if you can’t say something nice…
tell you what, you give me a grown up, cogent justification for the targeting of American citizens for assassination anywhere, anytime without due process – and I’ll do whatever you want. ‘k ?
and although I am sorry about your job, my husband is making 1/2 of what he was making 15 years ago – I’m of a mind that it aint Repub or Dems – it is the corporatocracy and our consignment to serfdom by both parties that brung us here.
John Walker is a moron…just like conservatives.
I’d go further than that… John Walker is a traitor. He betrayed our country and endangered national security by selling US Navy encryption codes to the Russians. He now lives in a federal prison in Missouri.
http://greathistory.com/john-walker-notorious-spy-part-i.htm
JON Walker is, by all evidence, a great American.
Here’s an easy way to tell them apart, federal inmates don’t have internet access.
And steeped in the art of persuasion, they are not.
I guess their talking points memo omitted the fact that you can’t make an effective case by insulting people.
If you think “Speaker of the House John Boehner (R)” is no different than “Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D),” perhaps you’re not aware of the role the Speaker plays in our legislative system.
Does “Speaker Boehner” still sound OK to you? Not to me!
OK, how do you like “Senate Majority Leader McConnell (R)”? Sound about the same as “Senate Majority Leader Reid (D)” to you? Let’s see what the role of the Senate Majority Leader is.
In both cases, the party in charge has huge impact on what legislation is brought forward, which amendments are allowed (and sometimes, whether amendments are allowed), and other priority-setting tasks that, under a Republican Congress, could completely incapacitate the government’s ability to function at all.
Nope, I’m not crazy about the accomplishments of this Congress. But I’ll do at least the minimum required to help the Democrats retain the majority in Congress – vote for the candidate with a D next to his/her name!
Arlen Specter lost, Lilly Ledbetter won, decent credit card reform, electronic medical records, cash for clunkers, reasonably intelligent foreign policy for a change, renewable energy investment, middle class tax cuts…
They said they would protect Specter if he voted for the Stimulus and Health Care by switching back to Democrats. Specter is a opportunist plain and simple, deserved to loose and did.
Lilly Ledbetter only benefits women and limited benefit at that, does nothing to help minorities who still make less than White Women of which Lilly Ledbetter is one.
Decent Credit Card Reform? Are you serious? Usury Rates continue, Car Loans exempt from new laws, TBTF still in place, 3 largest banks even LARGER than before the Crisis.
Electronic Medical Records, I guess.
Cash For Clunkers was a failure in a sense that the most popular vehicle bought under that scheme was the Ford F-150. Gas prices had gone down enough and became the new normal so people resumed there previous shopping habits, no net gain.
Foreign Policy? Quit while you’re ahead…
Tax Cuts don’t matter to me, I made $17,000 last year, still paid taxes!
These were and are nibbling around the edges type of polices. We didn’t elect him to nibble around the edges.
Supporting Democrats is a serious political disorder, like alcoholism or returning again & again to an abusive spouse who repeatedly lies to you. It’s easy to fall off the wagon, to make excuses & rationalizations for it.
Even many whose views are developed enough to recognize such truths as the fundamental rottenness of the 2-party system & the complicity of Democrats in all of the Republicans’ major crimes, are still unable to draw the logical consequences of these insights. (Those so naive that they still conceive of Democrats as being the “opponents” of Republicans are another case altogether.)
The central point is this: capitalist society permits the Democrats to be one of the 2 allowed parties for a very definite reason. It’s not because the Democrats “serve the people.” It’s because in a subtle but effective way, they help the capitalists keep the populace under control by providing them with the illusion of possible change. TPTB don’t want the people “served.” They want them managed, or controlled.
It is the job, the central social function of the Democrats to always be dangling before the people’s noses vague pseudo-hints of possible change, so as to keep them from bolting from bourgeois politics altogether. It is the Democrats’ intention to never deliver meaningful change, but rather to keep dangling hints of it alluringly forever. This produces control — a populace habituated to remain safely within the lines required by ruling class interests.
This is why the Democrats NEVER paint a picture of US history that’s the slightest bit accurate — they want a brainwashed population every bit as much as the Republicans do. This is why they NEVER are willing to set forth an honest socioeconomic analysis of why things are as they are — they much prefer that people not understand such things.
As long as a large chunk of voters can be deceived by the seemingly “nicer guy” act of the Democrats, there is no hope whatever of coming to grips with the core problems of our society. The most dangerous trends — a wasteful consumer society, environmental destruction, grotesque social inequality, and an uncontrollable propaganda/war machine — cannot even be approached within the framework of bourgeois politics, because they all serve ruling class interests. This is what is really being protected, when people opt to support Democrats just because they seem less blatantly cruel on TV.
Remember in your support of the Dems that means you are implicitly supporting their policies which means you are complicit in large-scale atrocities.
Can’t have it both ways, Tarheel. You defined genericness in Rs by their voting patterns (hence were clearly talking about INCUMBENT Rs, since newly-minted ones have no such Congressional voting record to be judged upon) – so my observation that Ds (the same kind: incumbents) are in practice equally generic stands.
Now, if you’ve REALLY got two newly-minted “good progressive Democrats” to vote for, that’s great, but somehow I suspect that your definition of a ‘good progressive’ may not have been tightened up nearly as much as it should have been by recent experience (e.g., they’d have to be willing to stand up staunchly in their platforms AGAINST a lot of the current administration’s Bush-like behavior to qualify in the eyes of any reasonable observer, since all the current ‘progressives’ in Congress have failed to do so when it counted: if I had any such apparently LEGITIMATELY progressive Ds to vote for, I’d do so).
And contrary to your suggestion, converting an existing R seat to a D seat which doesn’t meet the above criterion for progressiveness is worse than senseless: it’s counter-productive, and about the best example of the witless “lesser evil” sickness that Jon’s article debunked (at least in the specific context of this particular mid-term election) that one could have. As more than adequately explained by Jon (did you actually read the article?), voting for Republicans in this case in NO WAY “ensures that a public option and Medicare for all never become law” – and in all likelihood does not even decrease the probability that they’ll become law in the next two years, given that in the past two years DEMOCRATS were the ones who ensured that they did not become law.
In answer to your concluding question, if the ‘write in the POLICY that you want’ tactic doesn’t gain sufficient traction that I feel it releases me from the pledge I made earlier this year, I’ll vote for the candidate most likely to unseat Shea-Porter – which barring a miracle will the the R who gets nominated. And since Paul Hodes (Senate candidate) is an incumbent D (albeit in the House), I’ll do the same against him. And, living in a swing state, I’ll have the satisfaction that my vote may actually have some effect.
Hooray! Glad someone has the stomach to be willing to keep an eye on them and report back.
Wow, CBC: you’re awfully willing to spew garbage about subjects you know absolutely nothing about, aren’t you. Almost like the tea-baggers, in fact (funny how knee-jerks look so similar regardless of which part of the political spectrum the knees are occupying).
Some of us actually contact our representatives in Congress so frequently that it nearly constitutes harassment – by mail, by ‘phone, at ‘town halls’, and by personal visits. Not that it helps much in most cases, but it’s still a civic duty.
But perhaps comics are about the limit of your experience in such areas, in which case, never mind.
Hmm, the polemic posted against this story at Orange Satan is a new high in being low. The cretinous fool is using a government shutdown as the bogeyman:
Now I recall that incident as being slightly worse than a wedgie. And the repugs lost support over it. I think this guy has just now read the text of the Constitution but has no knowledge of how it works in practice. And his smarmy. self-righteous manner reminds me of Peter Griffin when he was guest commentator.
The underlying theme, once again, seems to be that the Repubs will bring on some sort of apocalyptic horror while the Dems stand by idle and helpless.
And this is supposed to be a convincing argument to support the Dems?
Over at koolaid central, dailykos, they are really hammering your piece.
And that means that your piece is solid.
Excellent analysis.
Not only that, but the piece is thereby getting a lot of additional exposure. Nothing like a really good rant to get people wondering what all the fuss if about – and this should cause at least some of them actually to think about it.
They are the blogosphere’s D students. I’ll bet most of them were criminal justice majors given both their dim-wittedness and their high regard for authoritarianism.
I’ve read all of the comments and carefully considered them. I despise Obama with a passion that I cannot begin to describe and I want him to resign NOW, before he commits more damage. Barring that, I want him primaried in 2012 because he is a vile and despicable war criminal who belongs in prison for the rest of his days.
My advice is we need to focus on the races in which we can vote rather than argue over a grand overarching strategy to symbolically slam the Democrats up against the wall and spit in their faces. Obama and many other Democrats have earned our scorn, but that’s not my immediate problem.
I live in Kentucky, so I get to vote for Jack Conway or Rand Paul. The election is likely to be close and I wouldn’t vote for Rand Paul even if someone was threatening to kill me if I didn’t and had the business end of a loaded gun pressed against my head. The dude is an ignoramus tea bagger, for crying out loud. Jack Conway is an infinitely better choice, so I’m voting for him. Granted, my situation is a little different than most others face because both candidates are new, but I believe my advice is still sound.
If you can’t vote for the Democrat running for office in your race, which would be the case for me if I lived in Arkansas and Blanche Lincoln was the Democrat, I’d probably write in Bill Halter or Donald Duck or skip voting for that race. She’s going to lose no matter what because she’s trailing by more than 30 points, so it really doesn’t matter.
I wouldn’t vote for a Republican, whom I cannot abide, no matter what. On the other hand, I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat, whom I despise, UNLESS the race is expected to be very close. I’d have to give that some careful thought before I made a decision because, notwithstanding what many have said about our Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties, I fear what Republicans will do, if they control one or both houses. Obama is such an unprincipled slimeball coward that he will sign any piece of shit legislation they send to him, with a smile on his face.
AGAIN, we need to primary Obama in 2012. This should be our long term goal because our country can’t survive another four years of his bullshit.
I saw Gov. Dean was the only politician who was really upset when Public Option was dropped and he was consistent on asking Senate and Congress to pass bills in small easy to understand parts instead of a giant bill. Public Option was something which needed a simple majority in senate and not some super majority. So plan was different from the start I guess which lot of people including most of us were not in loop with.
I really urge all even if you are disgusted to vote to really vote and make the best choice or the moral one which gives you peace whether it is greens, libertarians, republicans, democrats or write-ins that you have tried to do the best thing possible for yourself and the country. Eventually all these small drops do count to a ocean. Voting is a right which tells policy makers we need to be counted on and not be dis-regarded like that in future.
“I wouldn’t vote for a Democrat, whom I despise, UNLESS the race is expected to be very close. I’d have to give that some careful thought before I made a decision because, notwithstanding what many have said about our Tweedledum and Tweedledee parties, I fear what Republicans will do, if they control one or both houses. Obama is such an unprincipled slimeball coward that he will sign any piece of shit legislation they send to him, with a smile on his face.”
Er – Jon did address that specific concern:
“(Note: claiming your president is secretly excited to work against the party’s own platform is not a good way to increase base enthusiasm.)”
So there would seem to be two possibilities:
1. Either Obama (and the Democratic establishment that has so consistently supported his perfidy) really ARE complete slimeballs, in which case it’s not clear why we need to be any more afraid of the Republicans than we should be of them – and in fact should be evicting them as quickly and completely as we can in order to make room for something better after they’re gone, or
2. We’ve grievously misjudged our Democratic benefactors and should all jump on the Kos bandwagon rather than continue to babble on about how we need to change a few of them.
I know which of those *I* believe is true, but you’ll have to decide for yourself where you stand.
“I stood with Howard Dean in 2003 and have been active in politics ever since.”
Same for me: before Howard showed up, I hadn’t been really active politically since campaigning for Eugene McCarthy in 1968 (though had become reenergized to confront specific policies by the Bush abuses that began a couple of days after 9/11).
Where I parted with Howard was in his complete dedication to the party. He was always very, very clear about his commitment to support whatever cretin the party might nominate, and given his ties to the party that’s not entirely incomprehensible (figuring that exploiting those ties by continue to work inside it made more sense than striking out against it – though given how the party has acted over the intervening 7 years I’d like to believe that he’s had more than a few second thoughts on that by now).
I even suspected that he was happy that some of his adherents might not agree with that stance. In the speech he gave to us when he withdrew from campaigning, he very emphatically reminded us “You STILL have the power!” even without his continuing candidacy – and so I had no qualms at all about opposing Kerry’s election, and haven’t had any about opposing virtually every faux-progressive Democrat who came along since then.
I certainly agree that progressives should come to the polls in November. But a lot of them won’t be doing so to vote Democratic, and rightly so.
Obama’s policies are bad
People work about 40 to 50 years of their lifetime. During this time, people must accumulate enough wealth to maintain and even increase their standard of living and to support themselves and their children and for retirement. Higher taxes make accumulating wealth difficult. Why is this important? Wealth provides the foundation for economic growth. Unless wealth is formed and economic growth is achieved, the succeeding generations will have less chance of finding work, accumulating wealth and increasing their standard of living. The Marxist-Socialist policies of government will insure that our children and grandchildren will have a lower standard of living. They will work not to accumulate wealth, but to pay the taxes for the spending excesses of our government.
As part of this shift to socialism, politicians use the class warfare tactics of rich against poor to generate support for policies. The fact is, most people start out with nothing and accumulate wealth over time. Many people move from poverty to being millionaires. Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs…all started with nothing and accumulated wealth that created well paying jobs so that others may accumulate wealth and so forth. The current economic and political policies will destroy this process of improving living standards for generations to come.
How can people spend more when the government takes more out of their wallet? Oh Yes..Investing is a form of spending.
Not only is your reply unrelated to the subject being discussed here, but it’s REALLY unlikely to change any minds (in part because of its naive simplicity, in part because of the wingnut characterization of Obama as a socialist when in fact he’s somewhat to the right of Richard Nixon).