I’ve previously posted on my research showing a very high correlation between the results in Washington State’s “top two” primary and the results in the general election. The system makes the “primary” more like the first round of the general election in a traditional runoff election system. Washington has a history of very high primary turnout–this year it was 40.63 percent–and because of the previous use of the “blanket primary,” voting for members of both parties in the primary was common. Assuming this correlation holds up this year, my analysis points to an extremely bad November for Democrats.
I decided to compare the primary vote in 2008 with the results this year. (I have excluded the very blue 7th district from my analysis because this year no Republican bothered to run, and I have calculated numbers based on total votes/percentages cast for members of only the two major parties.) In the 2008 primary, of all the votes for the two major parties for congressional candidates, 55.54 percent were cast for a Democrat and 44.46 percent were cast for a Republican. In the 2008 November congressional election, 55.87 percent voted for a Democrat and 44.13 percent voted for a Republican. A remarkably high level of correlation. Note: turn out in the 2008 primary was 42.60 percent, very similar to 2010 primary turnout of 40.63 percent.
In this year’s primary of all the votes cast for the two major parties for Congress, only 45.90 percent voted for a Democrat, while a robust 54.10 percent voted for a Republican. A massive ten-point drop in Democratic votes compared to the last election.
This ten-point slide in the Washington primary closely mirrors what we have seen in recent polling. In 2008, in Gallup’s last poll before the general election, Democrats held a huge 15-point lead on the generic ballot among registered votes–Democrats 54 percent, Republicans 39 percent. Gallup’s most recent generic ballot poll had it Democrats 44 percent, Republicans 47 percent–a ten-point drop since the end of October 2008. If the predictive pattern of the primary holds up in Washington State, and is reflective of what is happening nationwide, it would indicate a huge wave election for Republicans this November.
Note on the Analysis: Not only does history indicate the congressional primary votes in Washington tend to closely match the general election there, common sense says this should be the case. Turnout out for the general election in 2006 was 64.55 percent, which was a high turnout year for non-presidential elections. I suspect turnout this year in Washington to be about 60%. Assuming the vast majority of people who bothered to vote in the primary will turnout again for the general, they will make up two-thirds of the general election vote. Having already voted a certain way in August, it seems (barring some major change) most people would tend to vote the same way less than three months later.
You can find my analysis of the Washington State race based on the same research here.



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Wow Dan Savage on Countdown. Just said, “Wake me when Levi Johnston comes out.”
My first reaction is “Oh Shit!” Then I wonder how different can it be. Then I think, “Oh Shit!”
I think that Obama is a closet republican. Maybe he has laid the ground work for throttling the dems. Or am I paranoid?
No.
Thank you.
marymccurnin @ 3, no you’re not paranoid. I’ve wondered for a long time if Obama-Rahm-Axelrod are purposely destroying morale in the base to get more Rethugs back in Congress. So much easier to justify appeasement and surrender on every issue. It must get tiring having to continually explain why, even with solid majorities, nothing much can be done.
Thanks a fucking lot, President Blue Cross.
They don’t care about party or the people.. they are corporatists and advance that agenda. end of story
Great analysis Jon. Let me restate your case in my own words to make sure I understand it. Correct my errors please.
WA has a mail ballot (you don’t say that but I think I remember that), making it easy to participate in elections. Voters can vote in the primary for any party regardless of their party registration. Both these factors combine to make the primaries look like generals. Is that accurate?
So Ds have dropped in WA from a 15 point lead to a 10 point deficit in WA primaries, making it likely that the same will show up in the general.
Is anyone surprised? O’s policies have been either hidden corp support (HCR, finreg), or hidden militarism (faux pullout in Iraq), or hidden cruelty (U.S. doesn’t torture or rendition anymore), or blatant military escalation (Af, Pak, Yemen), or making W’s worst civil rights abuses (forever detention without due process, domestic spying, etc.) the status quo, not to mention turning a blind eye to discrimination (gays, women), and now the much-more-public push to dismantle ss. I repeat: is anyone surprised?
I don’t know anything about WA pols, but what D could ever hope to surmount the jerk in the WH?
Since I’ve already donated to the Sharon Engle and Randy Paul campaigns, I consider this good news.
Chomsky/Nader 2012.
So sad, but so true.
Oh, I forgot to mention, helping BP to hide the extent of the Gulf oil gusher disaster.
Too many bad deeds to remember them all. Hope Hugh shows up so we can link to his list of O’s crimes & other disasters.
Yes, but…check out the historical comparisons between primary and general election turnout for King County, where the majority of (D) votes are concentrated:
http://horsesass.org/?p=29356
In seriousness, can anyone find the flaw in Goldy’s analysis here?
I can’t disagree with the analysis in any meaningful or factual way. And my hunches are almost always wrong. So with those caveats:
I don’t think the historical bases apply. The reason I think that is pure pocketbook issues. There isn’t any meaningful leadership on fixing the actual problems which are the worst in living memory.
So I think the electorate is going to ping-pong faster and more furious than it ever has before, voting against incumbents more than they ever have in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, regardless of party, with increasing tribalism and polarization until there’s some actual relief injected by leadership.
Just my $0.02
Guessing. Dark blue voter turnout not as relevant as turnout in much more contested areas?
Given the fact that O has thrown shit in the face of every liberal on the planet by reneging on every campaign promise to come out of his lying mouth, this analysis comes as no surprise.
With the new rethug congress, the Simpson-Bowles commission, and deficit mania being of such sudden importance, O will have all his ducks in a row to kill social security. Mission accomplished.
Looking ahead, once the top 1% have everything, what will they want next?
Don’t disagree with the ping-pong hypothesis. Which is my add-on hypothesis to why the Ds seem sooooo uninterested in the 2010 mid-terms. You can almost see them yawning. BUT since a lot can happen in the 2 years between 2010 and 2012, yawning about November could be catastrophic for Ds, or not.
If you focus on the 2010 election alone, the only thing the Ds have going for them is running against extremist nutcases. Nothing positive.
I’d point out that 1% of everything, if everything is zero, is still zero. Guessing we’ll all have to get to zero before the MOTU figure it out.
I just said the same thing in another blog. He’s been sent in as the GOP “Manchurian Candidate” to finish off the D’s from the inside. How else can u explain Barry’s actions?
there is a ‘beauty’ to this bullshit,
IF you want to get re-elected in 2012 and you’re 0-$ell-0ut.
PLAN
fascists win big in 2010.
boo hoo – your change, your hope, your agenda is stymied by MEAN MEANIES who didn’t talk noblerer and selflesser and us poooooor nicey nices …
August 2012 – GOTV – STFU – LOTE LOTE LOTE – GOTV – STFU
end of 0-$ell-out strategy.
BTW – I’m pretty sure I read this idea here on FDL some time ago … in any case, I did NOT come up with.
Given 0-$ell-0ut’$ behaviour, and the above tin foil hat plan, what he is doing is ‘making sense’.
rmm.
I won’t vote for any Republican. I look at all the polls everyday and I’m not concerned at all. In EVERY poll it shows Republicans have twice the unfavourable numbers as Democrats. The President is still the most popular politician in Washington. America won’t vote for politicians they HATE twice as much ! It’s NOT going to happen !
Will we lose some Democrats in the House, you bet. Some need to go. Especially the Blue (Mangy) Dog Democrats. You can bet the farm Democrats WILL keep the Senate. The Democrats will only lose in the South with the inbred ignorant bottom feeders. You know the ones that think Obama is a Muslim. Other than a few losers down South it’s not going to be anything like Rupert Murdock’s Fox, WSJ, Washington Times or Pew and Gallup polls say.
I’m actually looking forward to November so I can be back in their faces telling them I told you so and You Lose Again.
America doesn’t like paying $4.00 a gallon for gas.
America doesn’t want Social Security cut so Billionaires can have tax cuts.
America remembers 8 years of ZERO job growth.
They know who is responsible for turning a Surplus into a Record Deficit.
America doesn’t want war without end.
Americans reject the Tea Party and the Republican, Hide and Watch !
The “swing” toward Republicans began with the Presidency of Barak Obama.
Obama wanted ‘bi-partisanship’, but who would have dreamed he’d sacrifice the Democrats to get it.
Poor Americans.
Their Government sends $ 4.300,000,000,000 in guarantees, loans and bailouts to the financial industry and bankers using the citizen’s tax money and citizen-covered debt.
Next, their government sells the citizens on the message that their Social Security should be cut.
And, everyone needs a tax cut, to ‘motivate’ them to really really work.
And…
Well, the ruse goes on and the citizens just eat it up, and the President, “He just lay low”.
Apparently, Obama will realize his dream of ‘bi-partisanship’ in the coming years.
The public and the Democrats will have paid the price for voting for someone who called himself a Democrat, but whose “principles” (if you’ll pardon the expression) are purely Republican. We’re living with the results.
Pity America. Pity the Democrats. Sacrificed by a nominal Democrat to the goal of ‘bi-partisanship’.
Question: Why don’t the people who voted for Obama in the first place come to his defense ? Support him?
Answer: Obama has backed policies that are essentially ‘un-supportable’ by those who backed him: (1) Continuing meaningless, wasteful and immoral ‘war on terror’; (2) Non-reform of health care (with citizens now ‘mandated’ to pay 15-20% more than the health care services actually cost); (3) Bailing out the financial industry ( with the largest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy in our nation’s history ).
That’s why. Those three are “just” the major insults.
Pity America. Pity the Democrats. Pity the middle class.
The State of Washington ( I hope ) has more sense than the analysis suggests; but, the choice is really between Republican Right and Republican Lite.
See the post above yours. It might answer one of your questions. Like MOST Democrats I STILL support THIS President.
Wasn’t it Pagefuckergate that led to larger-than-expected turnout and Democratic victories in 2006?
I can imagine Barry campaigning with his Nobel medal around his neck.
I am convinced the ObamaRahama strategy is designed to lure the the GOPers the Tea Party runs out to shift to the Democratic Party creating a nice Blue Dog conservative monolith under the Democratic banner. They have amply proven they want nothing to do with their traditional and liberal Democratic base.
I predicted back in April that this Administration’s strategy would be to lose the house and 6 or 7 in the senate so that they CAN get some tweeking done by the catfood commish passed. This way, after they have lost the house and part of the senate, they can cram through their shitty, carbon capture, clean coal, more nuklear energy legislation that has been so coveniently shelved until AFTER the election. The Obama Administration wants to have the report and recommendations from the “Bipartisian” deficit task force (the one that wants to reform SS and Medicare)to be heard AFTER the 2010 elections that the Repubs are currently poised to win the House back in? IN ADDITION TO, having a meaningful climate bill to vote on coming from a Republican House of Representatives? So let me ask you this: Do you think the Repubs are gonna vote for or against entitlement reform? And do you think they’re gonna vote for or against a meaningful climate bill? What is the year 2014 gonna look like with a piece of garbage health care reform package, our SS cut for our middleclass, and a hilarious climate bill? It ain’t gonna be pretty. Rahm Emanuel will be able to eliminate all the competition for any meaningful reform by having a Republican House of Representatives, a truly over conservative Blue Dog Senate, and a corporatist President. Ughh. But then again HE ALREADY IS PLANNING ON BEING A ONE TERM PRESIDENT.
i live in washington and I am not voting for a D or R (i’d never vote for an R anyway) this year
if the D’s ever stop being corporate whores maybe I’ll vote for them again. But I doubt they will so it’s a moot point.
I’ll just write in Jane Hamsher if there isn’t a sane independent candidate
Like our dead right on reckon’n historian Mr. Vidal sez, what two party system? This countrys ugly political reality has just never showed its’ arrogant, imperial, pro-zionist, greedy corporate/facist head so right out in the open under the sleeping publics nose. Red neck Rethuglicans, and brown nose dumocrats could have had the world eating out of our hands after the inside job of 9/11 was sold as a foreign terrorist attack. But no, they had to reinterpret it as an act of war same as Pearl Harbor, go out and buy a new house from WAMU per ‘W”s instructions. What happened was something closer to when they blew up the LA Times building in the begining of the 20th Century to thwart the Unions etc The anarchists today are the rich still, who think the world owes them a living since they think they can look down their noses at citizens who aren’t connected to millionaire Senators like Alan Simpson and/or Boeing Wonder Executives practicing their monopoly capatilism.
No one is this blind and deaf. The failure of the WH has to be some kind of deliberate calculation.
I support Social Security and those 15 million people who cant find a job, among others. If Obama wants to help out, I’m perfectly happy to reciprocate.
“…since a lot can happen in the 2 years >>>”
2010 is a census year meaning that re-districting is coming. Screw congress, the real important battles are in the state legislatures because it is the legislatures that will draw the new congressional boundaries for 2012 and beyond.
It is unimaginable how badly the 2008 congress has screwed the democratic party for the next 10 years.
I knew there was a large percentage of folks failing to deal with or admit their prejudice for more years than I like. With all of the malarkey and hyperbole and blatant talk which has presented with the advent of Obama’s political rise, ( I vividly remember his convention speech and predicted to my wife he would become president AND was enthralled with the idea of someone who SEEMED to believe those words become president. ), I am still amazed at all the crap stated about this man from people who will be happy with the results when the chickens come home. This man will deliver every Republican fantasy in our lifetimes. But, it is not all him, nor is it the spineless Democratic party partisans who can’t muster sufficient electro-chemical activity in their craniums to see that a person who claims they know better but, choses the opposite is more dangerous than a man who does not know better. You can educate the uneducated but, you cannot change the character of those without any. A man is what a man does. This is why I have a problem with the Democrats in general and Obama in particular. The Republicans do not even factor in. I have begun to picket the local Democratic office with a sign that says Democrats against Obama’s Republican policies. Of course, I have been called racist while the wingnut call him Muslim and Kenyan and whatever wingnut thought pervade their consciousness.
So Washington state has blanket primaries and vote by mail (which Oregon has had for years), that’s interesting. Only thing they’re missing is compulsory voting. If both federal and state governments can compel you to serve on a jury and pay taxes, I suppose a state could require every adult citizen to cast a ballot, a voter would be free to cast (or mail in) a blank ballot if they ddidn’t wish to support any of the candidates.
That certainly would change the get out the vote game. It was David Foster Wallace’s amazing piece Up Simba (he covered McCain for Rolling Stone during his losing effort in the 2000 SC GOP primary) that made the point that a lot of campaign advertising goes towards suppressing turnout, that is, the other guy’s turnout. Bush won South Carolina that year because his campaign knew the good government moderates in South Carolina (i.e. Rockefeller Republicans from the Northeast who’d retired to Hilton Head or Myrtle Beach) were turned off by negative campaign battles, so Bush amped up the negativity not because it riled up the crazies (he already had those locked up) but because it’ mean the McCain voters would stay home (or more likely, the golf course).
Not sure what the right adjective is, “mandatory”, “compulsory”, “obligatory”, whatever you call it, William Galston is a fan.
The evidence from other countries suggests that it would expand political participation dramatically. In Australia, for example, the election after a compulsory voting law was passed saw political participation rise from 59 percent to 91 percent. It’s been around 95 percent ever since.
To overcome opposition, I suppose we could ask Republicans if they’d be willing to trade the insurance mandate for a voting mandate. :o)
DUH!!!
What you all said. Dems are corporatists A-holes with not a damn thing changed.
This country is officially facist-corporatist.
I am for the first time thinking third party. To send a message if nothing else.
Classic tribalism. Oooh, my side GOOD! Your side BAD.
I got news for ya: both sides rotten to the core.