This is all a setup to move the country even farther to the right. JMO.

The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right

Good one. Thanks.

I’m hopeful that the Republicans are essentially imploding, and pissed that the Democratic party is triangulating rightward, but does this leave room for a party backboned by unions on the left?

That makes six serious establishment candidates in important Senate races who have lost or dropped out of the party nominating process–17 percent of the 36 Senate races up in November. That percentage is even higher when you exclude some of the very blue seats where Republicans are unable to find a decent candidate, and a few of the deep red seats with conservative Republican incumbents. There are also several primaries left this cycle where an insurgent candidate might defeat the establishment choice.

My bold So what the final total and how are the tea party candidates expected to do over all in the general election?

Union leaders are in the veal pen, with all the other leaders of orgs that you used to think supported causes you’re interested in.

Agreed we need numbers on how the baggers that have won are able to do in the general election. Even if they don’t win more than they lose adding a few tea baggers to the house and Senate will be called a win by the Right and force the country more Right.

Also how many Progressives have won over establishment backed Dem candidates we need a score card. Plus we need numbers on how they will do in the general election.

I understand that polls now are fluid more unemployment and no FDR sized jobs bill hurts us. However the oil leak could help us in the South if we get numbers of how many more fishing and tourist jobs jobs plus total wages lost are effected compared to oil jobs.

I don’t really think that Sharron Angle’s victory in the primary will make Nevadans hate Harry Reid less. Some might stay home, but who does that help, really? It’s entirely possible this time next year we could have a Senator Rob Portman, a Senator Linda McMahon, a Senator Sharron Angle, a Senator Dino Rossi, a Senator Marco Rubio, a Senator Roy Blunt, and a Senator Carly Fiorina.

Not sure they can do more damage than the current bunch, but it won’t be for lack of real trying.

Did you hear that on WMNF this afternoon?

There are numerous refineries, etc in LA and they’re worried about losing their jobs. Figure I heard this morning was 20,000 jobs and the folks down there are still pro-drilling cuz their jobs depend on it. Add to that figure the number of folks who depend on those workers for their income, ie, small businesses etc.

Who is “us” TCU? I’m more in line with eCAHN in terms of this is just pushing us ever rigthward. It would be nice to think that so-called “anti-cumbent” Dem candidates will then, you know, act all lefty and stuff once they get seated in Congress or the Senate, but it never seems to work out that way in practice… witness the disappointment that is Al Franken.

Eh – remains to be seen and a score card is merited, but I’m afraid I’m with eCahn on this one: all this means is the continuing push of the Overton window to the extreme nutbaggia right.

You betchum, Red Ryder.

Might be a treat to watch Ms. McConnell trying to control Carly. :)

Yes, I agree. It will remain to be seen how much worse it can get, but with that stellar group that you list, I’m sure they’ll find ways to grind us serfs even further into the ground. These Tea Party & super corporatist types aren’t going to do anything good for we the people.

The Tea Party was astroturfed not just by the right – as in the Koch family industies and their think tanks – they were also effectively astroturfed by the putative “left” as in GE owned MSNBC constantly demonizing them to this day. It was a very good example of “divide and conquer” by our corporate overlords.

And so the Tea Party candidates will just be even more in the pockets of their corporate lords and masters. And so… on it goes…

Aren’t both she and Whitman the darlings of the Party just now?

Seems so but Carly is so arrogant that I can just see her telling the leaders that she has more money than they do so shut up.

What does it say about us that the TeaParty strikes such a chord? I’ve heard their power does not really translate into numbers, rather more like noise. Still it seems they are finding a place in legitimacy.

And that she did such a great job at HP…as she believes. I did hear comments that that Exec experience actually works against her ’cause she was such a mess.

Carly is also far less dangerous than eMeg over all. She would be one vote in the Senate but eMeg could finish destroying Ca.

Where’s Sharron [Angle]?’ because she’s hiding out, according to the local news. I might hide out, too, if I said I wanted to get rid of Social Security and Medicare,

During a recession this hurts her with McCain’s older White Males who I assume are still the GOP’s strongest demographic.

Clinton also took aim at Angle for support of a plan that would have Yucca Mountain accept nuclear waste. Reid, as have most Nevada lawmakers, opposes opening Yucca to nuclear waste.

Nevada has hated this one accident kills tourism in Las Vegas if that happens the state’s economy sinks so bad California had better expect another invasion of workers like they got after the dust bowl.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/11/clinton-stumps-for-reid-takes-digs-at-angle/?fbid=AUsjRyHSj2e

now a new video showing Angle offering her support for a controversial inmate rehabilitation program administered by the Church of Scientology has come to light.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/10/sharron-angle-scientology_n_607690.html

Will the GOP’s fundies back Scientology? I admit I wanted Harry gone. But Angle seems almost like a gift to Harry. I wonder if he made some deals with the GOP to get this gift. If Harry loses though to a candidate with this kind of baggage then the Blue Dogs might be finished.
They won’t be able to claim public support. They will try and claim its local issues not National Movement election.
The only energy in the Dem party either way will lay with us though so its Win/Win. Why we have been quite clear we wanted Harry out for his inaction on everything.

Wouldn’t be very bright on her part on the off chance she beats Boxer and she becomes the Junior Senator from CA. Granny might still be Minority Leader and internally could make life miserable for her.

Thats why we need numbers we can win if our number totals are bigger. We can win if Obama creates good paying ( no drop in pay ) jobs for these workers. Yes I know fat chance on Obama doing that. But if we just had the numbers and pushed those numbers in the media we could still win.
Also air masks for the clean up workers we need video of sick workers losing their lunch after work.

Tea Party going through some growing pains.

Who is “us” TCU? I’m more in line with eCAHN in terms of this is just pushing us ever rigthward. It would be nice to think that so-called “anti-cumbent” Dem candidates will then, you know, act all lefty and stuff once they get seated in Congress or the Senate,

If your lucky enough to have a Dem you can support vote for him/her. If not vote Green, Socialist etc we need to show we have enough voters to create a third party so we are ready for the Presidential election.
Us is the Left Us are the majority on ending the war, on creating jobs, on National healthcare now!

The cleanup jobs are currently controlled by BP. There’s talk here in FL of the locals controlling the efforts should it come to that. Folks here on the coast are watching what’s going on very carefully. We want to avoid the BP bullshit. If the Coast Guard and BP can’t organize the effort effectively the locals will do it for them. We’ll let BP cut the paychecks.

So if teabagging nutcases can organize why can’t progressives? Just asking.

Teabaggers have corp organizers & financial backers.

One of the programs last night was saying the plan is for Gulf coast recovery plan, massive, something similiar to the TVA or other major programs, to make a lot of jobs/work, etc.

See my 25.

Excellent question, though. In the past I think a lot of it had to do with the issue driven groups vs a cohesive policy driven org. There’s still a lot of that. I also think a lot of folks, myself included, are leery of top-down hierarchical orgs.

With an organizational structure like the IWW the resources would be controlled locally with the administrative branch providing info to all the locals simultaneously, more of an information clearinghouse.

OT

Looks like preps for Iran attack nearing completion.

BY DEAN HAZLEWOOD  
PHOENIX—More than 20,000 people converged on this city May 29 to protest Arizona’s anti-immigrant law known as SB 1070. They far outmobilized supporters of the law who rallied that evening.
That evening supporters of SB 1070 held a rally at Diablo Stadium in nearby Tempe. More than 5,000 attended, according to the Arizona Republic. The event, billed as “Stand With Arizona,” was organized by several “tea party” groups.

http://www.themilitant.com/2010/7423/index.shtml

My bold 20,000 vs 5,000

Around 100,000 people marched through the streets of Phoenix, Ariz., May 29 to demand an end to SB 1070 and all other racist attacks on immigrants. The national protest marched more than five miles in 100-degree heat to the steps of the state capitol. The action was coordinated with marches and demonstrations in several cities across the United States and in Mexico City.

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2/94338374?page=NewsArticle&id=14068&news_iv_ctrl=1261

Here they say 100,000 I could only find the 5,000 number for the counter protest in the first article.
 I wonder at the wide discrepancy in numbers?

Still even at 20,000 vs 5,000 elections are about turnout our voters are willing to march 5 miles in 100 degree heat they will show up on election day.
Now Sheriff Joe, fixed voting machines or even a lack of polling places might lower that number allot but we know that in a fair election we can win.
We know the anti immigration guys are not exactly motivated to vote even if they are doing well in the polls.
The GOP under Newt took over because his side was motivated despite often in several races not being favored in the polls.
Clinton pissed them off. Now we are pissed about immigration, jobs, homes, the wars, Social Security cuts, Obamacare. I think we can win.

Great idea who is organizing this the environmentalists or are the Free Market Tea Baggers trying to horn in?
If they horn in and get the credit and run against BP and the Dems do nothing then I think we lost Florida.

Turkey is getting close to Iran. Turkey is pissed at Israel. Turkey might back them. At the very least they might close off their country and air space to our troops in Iraq.
Right when every Iraqi group allied to Iran will get the go head to plan attacks on us. Is Santa Ana in charge of Pentagon war planning and the State Dept?

No, this is just the locals who live along the coast. The city councils in these towns can dictate who does what on their beaches. The counties also have control over some beaches. The locals don’t like what they’re seeing in LA and AL. Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties have been through this when a tanker spilled in Tampa Bay in 93, iirc. The amount this time will be greater but we know what to do. Crist is going to keep asking BP for money. The pols are gonna play politics but when it gets to the nitty gritty it’ll be the people who run this operation.

Very cool the Free Market types will be stuck trying to praise the people organizing and government not getting involved when local governments are running the clean up not state or federal and the people working I’m sure there will be volunteers will be environmentalists who want greater government regulation.
Plus the local Governments I’m sure won’t put up with BP chasing off reporters. People in the states where BP is doing that will be very surprised and wonder about their own beaches.
Also can we get Jim White to recommend anyone to test the water and the air at Florida beeches independently?
I can’t find EPA numbers on their monitoring.

It is hard to credit such reports. The Israelis have gone fascist and fascists are terrible people to work with or trust. Far more importantly though is that there is not a single word about what the repercussions of such an attack would be. What, for instance, would be the Iranian response? Even a threat to close the Straits of Hormuz would send insurance underwriting for tankers to astronomical levels or more likely simply suspend it. This would tank an already very shakey world economy. It would be extremely destabilizing for the Saudis. It might make the Shia majority eastern oil fields restive. An interruption or decrease in oil revenues would exacerbate even further tensions against this very corrupt and very repressive regime The Saudi rulers have to know this. Yet the Time article doesn’t mention any of this. China and Russia which just signed off on sanctions would go ballistic and probably never support any US policy toward Iran again. Nor does the article discuss the reaction in the Moslem world and the Arab street. Or that Iran could let loose Hezbollah in Lebanon, mix things up for us in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Or just how pissed Iraqi Shia would be. Or that Iran might turn to real terrorism which would make al Qaeda look like pikers.

What this sounds like is a testing the waters article, a plant, to see what the possible reaction to such a strike would be. It would be what it has been for the last 5 years. Or it could be just a way of rattling Iran’s cage and increase pressure on it to deal.

Freedom Works Tea Party – GOP front – is indeed a con filled with loud nuts used to get media air time – and not effective in doing much beyond killing a Dem Congressman’s courage.

But there is an energy here that would be foolish to ignore – indeed we on the left are into community working together, community pride – and it is a small step from that to defining the size of the comunity down and then advocating small government and small budgets as we volunteer to help each other.

The corporations are selling gov as the problem to take the heat off them – to stop folks from seeing the corporation power grab. At least some of these Tea Party folks could become good progressives if we can show them the facts about corporate control of their lives.

All important and very good points.

However, you could have said very similar things about the consequences of a U.S. invasion of Iraq, and I did, but it happened anyway, as did all the the anticipateable negative consequences.

Yes, but Iran is not Iraq and the negatives are exponentially higher.

You know that, I know that. Israel doesn’t care. And O never met a military action he didn’t like. We’ll see what happens after the U.S. starts taking troops out of Iraq.

Your point about saber rattling also makes sense, but it would be kind of silly to plant a story like that for that purpose now. It’s clear Iran views saber rattling in the face. Not that the U.S. or Israel would acknowledge that.

My exhusband is a day trader, and very proud of that fact. He has no intention of quitting. It is like an addiction. He has painstakingly explained to me how Wall Street works on fear and greed, and that the correct course of action is to do the opposite of what you want to do when you feel fear, in this way you continue to win.
The hole in the ocean is beginning to feel to me like a giant black hole, and it will continue spewing until it has consumed the entire earth. Rich people believe they are immune, however, unless they have vast underground bunkers, or means to leave the earth and live in space, they will be just as dead as the rest of us.
What I want to know is where are the Dirty Fucking Hippies when we need them, or have we really all sold out?

We’re still here.

demonizing all the Tea Partyers is not going to help in any way to get them to listen to what we are saying. there has to be a better way to get some of the energies of these people to work in stopping the Villagers. progressives certainly don’t seem of unity of any degree. the lunatics will destroy the Tea party and there will be those who might be salvageable. lol.

as far as the Gulf, no one says anything in the papers about the lack of media coverage. the Times Picayune has so much coverage, but i never read any sense of the people here in South La demanding more PR. this is a win win for the oil companies who own the oil polluted land all around the South La area. we have ben losing land for so long now. there is nothing we can do about losing ground and the oil spill anyway. the Government here in LA is very red and pro business, as usual. and the Oil continues….

i really wonder if Israel will really attack Iran. can they be so selfish/Holocaust driven nuts to start a war with such high stakes for the rest of the European and Islamic countries. and America is Israel’s partner.

There isn’t any satisfaction being a Dirty Fucking Hippie and being right about everything watching the Villagers destroy the people and planet in their greed and hatred for those “others.” that won’t save the Pelicans in the Gulf. Maybe this will awaken some part of the populace that is “drugged” by the PR control, like BP’s PR media campaign.

I would like to know just what is the GOP is doing, what the hell are they waiting for the world to come to an end before they’ll have Obama impeached? Its time for someone to get some Balls and put Obama where he belongs this whole oil spill is a big joke to him he wants to see America in ruins.
Thank God we have the Tea Party.