In her most recent column, Jill Lawrence at Politics Daily makes the case that President Obama is not really ignoring his base. In her column defending Obama’s “maverick” behavior, which often goes against direct promises he made to important Democratic constituencies, she quotes Stan Greenberg:
Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg said Democrats need opportunities to reach across party lines and show they can govern. That’s how you win independents who hate “the Washington culture, the polarized culture,” he said this week at a Christian Science Monitor breakfast. “Karl Rove had a base strategy,” Greenberg added. “And he was very, very consistent, and he destroyed the Republican Party.”
This is complete nonsense and a dangerous rewriting of history. Karl Rove did not destroy the Republican Party. No one political operative, no matter how powerful, brilliant, or stupid, can destroy a political party. As much as it might pain professional political operatives like Greenberg, they are, in the grand scheme of things, just not as important as Greenberg thinks they are.
The elected Republicans who were in power when they caused or failed to respond correctly to our country’s most serious disasters are the people who destroyed the party. It was the war in Iraq, stripped of all pretense of justification and turned into a long, costly, and confusing waste of American blood and treasure, that really hurt the Republican party in 2006. It was the response to Katrina that really helped tarnish George W. Bush’s image. It was several scandals involving elected Republicans that helped Democrats take back the House.
In 2008, the mishandling of the Iraq war was a serious issue. The complete financial meltdown on Bush’s watch played a huge role in helping to elect Obama and other Democrats. Unemployment rose rapidly, and most people lost a lot of money. Fairly or unfairly, the elected Republicans were seen as failing at the task of governing by most of the country–and even large parts of their own base.
The Republican party was not destroyed in 2006 and 2008 by Karl Rove or his appeal-to-the-base political strategy. The GOP was destroyed by Republican leaders’ own failures, their own incompetence, and some plain bad luck. Unless Rove was personally supplying arms to the Iraqi insurgency, single handily spending billions creating the credit default swaps that caused the biggest economic downturn in decades, and had the power of God to summon hurricanes, he bares only a small part of the blame (if any at all) for Republican political loses.
Political strategy, GOTV efforts, voter targeting, etc., play an important role in elections, but they affect things mainly around the edges; not core direction. They can be, at most, the difference between losing 28 seats, and only losing 20.
If Obama and the Democrats in Congress can implement policies that turn the economy around, seriously decrease unemployment, and make the vast majority of Americans feel better off and more financially secure, they will do very well in the next election, regardless of their political strategy. If, on the other hand, the economy tanks and unemployment jumps to 12%, it does not matter if Obama appeals to his base or tries to be a mavericky bipartisan reacher across the aisle. With either political strategy, Democrats will still get hit hard in November. Getting the policy right, so that it most benefits regular voters, is really the best political strategy.



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The republican party is just getting out of hand. They have adopted a Reaganisk point of view and they have put themselves in a box. The republican party of today is nothing close to what the Republican Party was all about, first of all the original republican party was a northern party, today its southern…basically tainted, check this article about a moderate republican and why he is republican
http://bit.ly/brVSs1
Short version: The R party was destroyed because they couldn’t govern. Now it’s the D party’s turn at proving they can’t govern either.
Both feel comfortable with that result, though, because when accused, they both say: So what’s your choice? The other side is worse. It’s a race to the bottom.
“just plain bad luck” PLUS, they revealed themselves to be evil, soulless, hypocritical bastards who don’t give a damn about anyone outside their little crony circles. Fixed it for ya.
Right you are. But let’s not lose sight of the basic underlying truth, which is that both parties have decided they would rather serve the big corporations than serve the interests of the Peeople.
TODAY’S REPUBLICANS ARE AMERICA’S ENEMY WITHIN
Republicans ARE practicing seditious DEMAGOGUERY and anti-democracy OBSTRUCTIONISM intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of political exploitation.
Republicans AREN’T making a sincere effort to STOP the bleeding THEIR incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they’re using inflammatory lies and accusations as a smokescreen to conceal their subversive agenda, which is to cause President Obama and America to fail so they can blame Democrats for the consequences of THEIR calamitous mismanagement.
Republicans ARE preposterously professing that THEIR disgraceful political WHORING had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted.
Republicans ARE trying to hamstring Democrats to prevent them from repairing the damage caused during a Republican presidency that was irresponsibly enabled by Republican Senators and Representatives.
Republicans ARE offering ridiculous arguments meant solely to disrupt and prevent progressive change. They’d rather divide America and create political gridlock than endure the political consequences of effective Democratic governance.
Republicans AREN’T the LOYAL OPPOSITION; they ARE the ENEMY WITHIN whose mercenary priorities have eroded their moral and ethical standards to the point that duplicity and betrayal have become their preferred modus operandi.
It’s one thing to advocate their conservative beliefs; it’s another thing entirely to willfully sabotage America’s government because a successful Democratic presidency would not be vulnerable to the greed, fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the radical Republican anti-government corporatism and anti-Christian faux theocracies that are poisoning and crippling American society.
Neoconservatism destroyed the GOP.
They didn’t believe that governing is the responsibility of government. Something about drowning it in a bathtub.
…and by their total lack of interest in the well being of the American people.
REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM 1956 –EISENHOWER WOULD SHOOT THE LEADERSHIP OF TODAY’S GOP
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=25838
“The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities.” — Abraham Lincoln
“In all those things which deal with people, be liberal, be human. In all those things which deal with people’s money, or their economy, or their form of government, be conservative.”
“[T]he purpose of the Republican Party is to establish and maintain a peaceful world and build at home a dynamic prosperity in which every citizen fairly shares.”
“We shall ever build anew, that our children and their children, without distinction because of race, creed or color, may know the blessings of our free land.”
“We believe that basic to governmental integrity are unimpeachable ethical standards and irreproachable personal conduct by all people in government. We shall continue our insistence on honesty as an indispensable requirement of public service. We shall continue to root out corruption whenever and wherever it appears.”
“We are proud of and shall continue our far-reaching and sound advances in matters of basic human needs—expansion of social security—broadened coverage in unemployment insurance —improved housing—and better health protection for all our people. We are determined that our government remain warmly responsive to the urgent social and economic problems of our people.”
Republicans are all those things you mentioned but they have Obama in a neat little box and he doesn’t even know it.
which ever of there many failures cause the American people to vote against them. It was not a campaign strategy that took them down but clear inescapable failure.
There, fixed.
Nixon’s Southern strategy started in Nixon’s first term.
My thoughts exactly and you beat me to the comment.
The party’s over, in both camps, imo.
Why is it that the MSM spends any time covering the words of a pathological liar drowning in the blood of the Iraqi people and Americans that he helped kill? Why?
Jill Lawrence = idiot. This is just more Beltway masturbation. Another attempt to tell us not to believe our lying eyes. A riff on the 11-dimensional chess meme. Independents don’t give a rat’s ass about bipartisanship. They want to see real and effective action. So do I. With Rove and now Rahm, it was never about the policy but the politics. Sure, they agreed with the policies they sold but they were not the ones who created them.
Since Fitz or our congress can not hold this pathological liar accountable for his crimes. Guess it is up to the citizens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xOZnFlOlTo
The R’s try to dehumanize their opposition, that’s what makes them such evil, soulless, hypocritical bastards who don’t give a damn about anyone outside their little crony circles.
You can’t repackage and sell a “new and improved” R Party without admitting that the old brand was shit.
The new brand is shit too, but that is another point.
Actually Obama has us in a box. He’s a corporatist Blue Dog President and everything he has done backs that up. What we need to be doing is getting out of the box he put progressives in, such as tapping into the populist anger in the country that can and should be directed against both parties.
Dehumanization is the historically classical preliminary tactic prior to the actual killing of the “dehumanized.”
We were F’d the moment we let the Supreme Court annoint the President.
Absolutely agree. And I intend to make the acquaintance of some Tea Party people to see whether there are enough sane ones there whose desire for govt accountability might provide a sufficient basis for an alliance with people like us. It seems to me that if both sides could agree to set aside all the “social” issues that we disagree on, issues that should not necessarily be the business of the federal govt anyway, maybe we could become a potent force politically.
Exactly. FWIW, they are still using Rovian techniques like vilification of the enemy, extreme rhetoric, fear, etc., etc., etc. Unfortunately, many of those Rovian mechanisms are still effective.
Especially as they own the MSM.
Uh oh. Yer startin’ to sound like a firebagger… : )
I see no reason why they can’t both serve the interests of big corps but administer competently at the same time. Clinton combined both for the most part. Of course, as the powerful become more powerful, they tend toward reduced competency, as there is less ability to hold them accountable.
Who is destroying the Democratic wing of the Republican Party?
Just don’t disparage the head bag lady Palin.
I think the greatest travesty the Bush Administration perpetrated against this country, aside from the horribly inefficient response to Katrina, was the blatant fear mongering. I watched an episode of Family Guy last night in which Lois was running for mayor of Quahog and at the final debate she answered every question with “Terrorists are bad” and “9/11″ and won the damn election. I think it’s political satire at its best.
But the truth remains, through Rove’s strategies, Bushies terrorized this nation. They used fear to captivate and manipulate. They used fear to force us to give up civil liberties. It’s sick.
What pains me most about the Obama is that they’ve continued their use of this tactic. They’ve intellectualized it quite a bit. They’re giving us more information as to why we should be afraid. However, it’s still the same damn thing. And it’s fucked up.
(The irony of joining forces with Grover Norquist of bathtub drowning fame has not escaped me.)
I thought Jane had a good idea when she initially broached the subject, and have increasingly warmed to the idea as I’ve contemplated it at length.
Of course, I am more of a moderate libertarian type than most here seem to be, believing that the Second Amendment is as important as the First, that violent criminals should be punished, and that the rule of law must apply to everybody, and that people should be free to do whatever they want as long as they do not cause direct harm to others. I want a govt that is pragmatic and centrist in its essence, because that is what serves most of the people the best, and I am willing to compromise some of my more extreme sentiments toward that end. I want to know how many Teabagges would feel the same way.
No, eCAHN, they are VERY competent at what they are trying to do, which is advance the corporate inerests, which are very different from the interests of regular paeople.
In a box? Obama calls it “home, sweet home.”
As bad as it may be, I just spit water on my screen and laughed A LOT. Thank you for that.
To look at it another way: the Republican Party destroyed itself by going too far to the right, and the Democrats are now destroying themselves by doing precisely the same thing.
Re. Clinton He did put thousands of battered women in jeopardy by them having to stay with or go back to their batterers when he signed welfare reform and then there was the matter of NAFTA…..
Katrina was certainly one of many low points during the Bush years but the abandonment of our cities has been going on far far longer. Detroit is nothing more than New Orleans in slow motion with both Republican and Democratic administration bearing the responsibility. The U.S. is the only “advanced” industrial country that would allow the slow death of it’s urban environments.
Ironies abound in modern America. I think the basic issue is PEOPLE vs. BIG CORPORATIOINS. I’m not saying I know the Teabaggers would be reasonable about a centrist alliance, I know all about the crazies they include, but my gut tells me there are some honest libertarians in there that I and many here might be reasonably comfortable with. I want to find out more about them. Hasn’t it become abundantly clear that we can’t accomplish anything by ourselves? Our purity is just as destructive as the purity of the Rethugs.
The corrupt political boondoggle which became freddie and fannie that together stole billions from taxpayers while funneling millions of that to politically connected politicians and their friends deserves to be drowned.
I agree. The photos and video I’ve seen from Detroit in recent years is deplorable. In that I hold the big 3 responsible. Cutbacks in factories, shutdowns, outsourcing, all for increases in profits. I think that’s the most frustrating part of this whole big business bullshit affair for me. These companies are compromising the well being of the people that made them what they are for the sake of LARGER profit margins. They were already making money hand over fist. They just wanted to make MORE of it FASTER.
Great idea. I would think the Obama/Bush wars would be an issue which could bring both sides together. That, and corporate bailouts. I wish you luck, and I hope you let us know how it went.
Haven’t been in Detroit for a couple of years now, but viewed some photos a couple of weeks ago, highlighting the tearing down of abandoned housing.
Almost appears as if the land around Detroit is possibly headed back to it’s agrarian heritage …
There are more “Tea Party” types in the NW anyway who are sane and feel as we do.
An alliance is not out of the question.
So far as Rove and the R’s, remember that a tiny explosion at the right place in a snowfield generates an avalanche. Non-linearity at work, and social systems are dynamic and non-linear.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Jon Walker and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“With either political strategy, Democrats will get hit hard in November.”
Sorry Citizen Walker, but that statement is just so much “common wisdom” and actually flies in the face of your most excellent thesis in this post. Getting real bankin’ reform including an independent consumer agency and another jobs bill just before the November elections will leverage off the Republican base strategy and isolate the fascists in the face of an energized Democratic base that wants to preserve their gains.
I am more afraid of the “Japanese” solution to our economic problems that ObamaRhama are cementing in place, it took over ten years but that strategy of stagnent growth broke up the stranglehold of the Japanese ruling party and the political instability going forward looks a bit scary.
And another thing, “Unless Rove was personally supllying arms to the Iraqi insurgency…” is in fact the mechanism of perpetual war and occupation that the Isaelis perfected in Palestine and the US is inflicting on the rest of the ME.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE CAN’T STOP NOW!!
I’ve been trying to find where I can attend a Tea Party meeting here in the Atlanta area. If anyone knows, please help me out.
Who among the firepups would disagree with that? Pragmatic and centrist would include, say, Universal Single Payer healthcare, right? And a social safety net that prevents the very young and very old from eating garbage? Those principles are mainstream in the world, just not in the ol’ US of A.
No humor was intended, but I don’t mind being laughed at. At least someone is smiling.
Yes, I believe in a basic capitalist economy modified by a reasonable safety net. And single payer seems like a good idea to me, given all the problems with the current system.
If a cockroach in a rotting wall in Washington DC flaps its wings…
I would argue that Rahm is off to a good start.
Although you could insert “Democrats/Democratic” in the following sentence to the same probable result:
Do cockroaches have wings?
Citizen razorbrain:
I am very active in local politics and rub shoulders with and work ward meetings with typical “Teabaggers” and I assure you that their ignorance and anger and social politics precludes their coalescing with anyone to advance “government” that doesn’t involve a strong, authoritarian leader. You are smokin’ some real dangerous shit if you think that the reptilian mind of these folks is capable of challenging its life-long held assumptions about anything.
When you are lookin for coalitions you must be careful not to end up bringin more to the partry than those you are tryin to coopt.
let us not forget the rovian dogma that is so pervasive in the gop, it has inserted itself into their dna: always attack your opponent on your weakness.
bad luck or i would argue arrogance. it is arrogant to assume you can “just lie” to your base as frank lutz has done? it is arrogant to know you can lie not only a country but our allies into a ginned up war enabled by the msm? it is arrogant to give huge tax cuts to the wealthy then know you can sell the country once again on the notion of “trickle down?”
His policies are doing the huge damage. His candidate recruitment and fundraising are minor compared to what that is doing.
Well, you may be right, but I want to see for myself close-up. Right now, I’m dependent on what the media provides me re info about their make-up, and I don’t trust that.
Oh, but I do so *want* to blame Rove … and I am cheered that someone on his own side is blaming him. That is a good story too.
OT: Perhaps of *some* interest, the leaked Baghdad helicopter strike video/audio is getting heavy play on all the networks here in Canada. Even on the noon CBC Radio news ~ top story. Not that there aren’t *homegrown* problems here, like truly offensive namecalling (“stop all this -Parliamentary- claptrap about Afghan detainees” being tortured or not …) during the weekend discussion of Canada’s (continuing or not) role in Afghanistan.
Have you read Jane’s latest about the DCCC’s meddling [read: backing crap candidates] in primaries in PA [Murtha] and HI [Abercrombie]?
http://elections.firedoglake.com/2010/04/06/dccc-pushes-dc-insiders-in-upcoming-special-elections/
Sure, in Canada. You people are civilized.
Dear President Obama,
One of the PRIMARY reasons that I served this country in the AF was the fact that we were different than third world countries. We were a shining beacon for ethics.
During your campaign (to which I contributed and supported) you and Sen. Biden said, “No one is above the law.”
Breaking US law is one thing. Committing human rights violations is the worst thing that I can think of. There is NOTHING more important. NOTHING.
So. With the above in mind. Why do you think I would ever believe anything that you say? Why would I support you in any other election?
Citizen razorbrain:
The Teabaggers are part and parcel of the corporate oligarchy’s political reserve army and their “antithesis” is ObamaRhama “centerism” that benefits the corporate structure and keeps ahold of economic power while allowing social power to gravitate to the lunatic fringe. When you work inside the Democratic Party you have a fightin chance of givin the big boys indigestion, but join the Teabaggers and you become an Orc.
Beltway wanking at its finest.
Cannot abide piggy Rove, but spare me the bullshit, please.
Some other posts said it better than me. It’s been a race to the bottom by both parties, including Rove and Rahm, and both parties are but 2 faces of our one party system which bows only to our corporate overlords. Neither party is serving the interests of “average” citizens and constituents.
Let’s get real and discuss reality for a change.
Well thanks a lot for putting that porcine image up again.
You do remember his (ascribed,) comments about those who complain etc…?
That there are those who worry about realities, and then there are those like [we] who create the realities.
The rest of you will be consigned to be mere observers of the reality that we make!
So with that in mind, it may be time to quite providing face time, as notoriety is a valuable gift, it keeps em in the news.
Gop is the slower more ignorant class led by slick more ignorant snakes, but beware the dem… chameleons.
Better to just go to the acquarium and see the reptile exhibits, and have done.
purity is underrated. it’s the tolerance of the clintons, liebermans, baucuses, emmanuels and obamas and the marginalization of howard dean that got us into this sorry state.
i think you have the right idea: a coalition to address the most pressing issues. the problem is that billions are spent on keeping the tea party types from figuring out just what those problems are. or as is the case with my philosophical bretheren, to keep the masses focused on the political fortunes of Dear Leader, even if it’s to the detriment of the people.
remember how the party regulars mocked and derided dean for the 50-state strategy (before they stole the credit for it), and for reaching out to people in pickup trucks with gun racks? the did so because they know that such a coalition, if it acted in a strategic and disciplined way, could spell game over for our corrupt politics and for the political and media elite who benefit from it.
Can pigs fly?
That’s my point. We are more natural allies for the populist elements than the corproate Dems or the corporate Rethugs. Maybe we can make them see that. Also, some of us. BTW, the “tolerance” you refer to is really nothing but more corporate subservience. That’s not how I define tolerance. We need to be clear that the real enemy of the people is the big corporations.
The “purity” I referred to is the belief that all must conform to an extreme ideology, rather than accepting that most people are somewhere in the middle, and their preferences need to be respected in a democracy.
whoring, thieving dems are at a philosophical disadvantage vis a vis republicans, who are presumed, by definition, to care nothing for the poor, or even the working class. when dems shill for rich corporations, it’s not just the dirty deeds that they do, but the hypocrisy that stings. kinda the flip side of the problem of sex scandals for republicans.
razorbrain, i was trying to make two points:
1. it is in the interests of both major parties and of big media to thwart the kind of ad hoc coalition that you’re talking about. see, e.g., howard dean and jane hamsher
2. i salute you efforts and gospeed and i hope that you can devise a strategy to overcome the problem described in Point No. 1
Authoritarianism. That is the rethugs bottom line. They feed their lies and propaganda to the sheeple. The great american mob. We are in fact getting dumber with every generation. Which feeds into more Authoritarianism
I agree with you completely. I wasn’t trying to refute or ignore your first point, which I agree with, but only to refine it to make clear that the purpose of the dynamic you describe is to advantage the corporatocracy over the interests of regular people. The establishment of both parties is in thrall to the corporate oligarchy, and all their individual tactics are geared toward that purpose.
The sad truth is that neither party is capable of getting policy right in terms of representing the people’s interest. IMO both parties have already passed the point of no return. It’s really a matter of which party can create the best propaganda effort while promoting ineffective and corrupt domestic and foreign policy.
Karl Rove no more destroyed the U.S. republican party than Joseph Goebbels destroyed the German nazi party. However, both societies paid a terrible price for their contributions to their respective governments’ temporary hold on power.